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Title: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 07, 2022, 12:46:29 PM
Not sure why I bother any more. To be fair, there's usually the odd fleck of gold in amongst the dog shit but there's something about the band I don't really like any more. I remember someone came in to my work and gave me a promo copy (on cassette!) of the Modern Rock Song EP just before it came out and I actually went out on my lunch and bought a Walkman so I could listen to it ASAP. Now, news of a new LP feels the same as knowing that family are due to visit.

Anyway, new single here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2-RZSVHNVQ).

Album artwork(s) are pretty bad.

(https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Belle-and-Sebastian-a-bit-of-previous-artwork.jpg)

Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on March 07, 2022, 12:51:53 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 07, 2022, 12:46:29 PMthere's something about the band I don't really like any more.
Yes, this probably sums it up for me too. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is, but whatever charm they once had has evaporated. Can't fault a band for wanting to change, but there hasn't been a full-length release since Dear Catastrophe Waitress that has really worked for me beyond a small number of songs. I didn't even bother with Girls in Peacetime Want to Dance after a couple of listens, and I didn't delve into that EP collection beyond the singles. A shame.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Das Reboot on March 07, 2022, 02:45:55 PM
Funnily enough, I've been listening to Lazy Line Painter Jane a lot these past few days. The EPs from that period B&S were fantastic.

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 07, 2022, 12:46:29 PMAnyway, new single here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2-RZSVHNVQ).

I never want to hear that again.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pranet on March 07, 2022, 05:31:17 PM
I quite like it.

My thing with Belle and Sebastian is that I am totally obsessed with them and then for a while I'm not interested.

My current not interested patch started just before Girls In Peacetime which I only listened to a couple of times and I've not heard anything they've done since.

But I've felt my curiosity begin to stir again recently and I've been considering catching up with what they've done over the last 7 years.

Seeing them in that video though they've got old. Which means I must have got old as well.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on March 07, 2022, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 07, 2022, 12:46:29 PMAlbum artwork(s) are pretty bad.

(https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Belle-and-Sebastian-a-bit-of-previous-artwork.jpg)



Why do I keep getting this flashback to Spitting Image's Neil Kinnock's "I think Black People are Loverly, vote for ME!" speech?
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: the science eel on March 07, 2022, 08:25:32 PM
What are they like as a live act? thinking of going to see them next month
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: scarecrow on March 07, 2022, 08:34:57 PM
I've always found them a bit twee.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 07, 2022, 11:01:58 PM
Not that fussed on the new single but still excited for the album. I can't help it, i'm a sucker for the bands I loved when I was a teenager.

They hit some sort of late period purple patch with Girls In Peacetime, that album was their best since the Jeepster days IMO. I also loved The Life Pursuit after finding Dear Catastrophe Waitress a massive letdown on release (I still think Step Into My Office is the absolute nadir of their career, along with If She Wants Me and If You Ever Find Yourself Caught In Love off the same album. Awful shite). Write About Love isn't great but I find it a lot less annoying than Catastrophe Waitress so I prefer it.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Kankurette on March 07, 2022, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: the science eel on March 07, 2022, 08:25:32 PMWhat are they like as a live act? thinking of going to see them next month
Surprisingly not as boring as I thought they'd be, they were good at Latitude 2010. Although things might have changed since then. I can never remember who's in the band and who isn't except Stuart Murdoch, obviously.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 07, 2022, 11:16:23 PM
They put on a great show and have done for years. They were more subdued in the '90s but really broke out of their shells from about Fold Your Hands onwards. A real party atmosphere.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: DrGreggles on March 08, 2022, 01:17:49 AM
Quote from: the science eel on March 07, 2022, 08:25:32 PMWhat are they like as a live act? thinking of going to see them next month

I think they're great live.
Still see them every tour, despite having long given up buying their records.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Neomod on March 08, 2022, 01:20:49 AM
Saw them at the Roundhouse. Girlfriend's review, "He's a bit creepy".
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: amateur on March 08, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: sutin on March 07, 2022, 11:16:23 PMThey put on a great show and have done for years. They were more subdued in the '90s but really broke out of their shells from about Fold Your Hands onwards. A real party atmosphere.

I'll agree with this statement. Loads of fun, particularly in Glasgow where I saw them.

New song is great, very New Pornos, this is a good thing.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 10:33:57 AM
I like them live apart from Stevie's songs and *cuts and pastes bit from every B&S thread about how much I hate it when they invite the audience up and having to watch a load of Walter Softies and Mavis Cruets gallumphing about the stage*

I don't think that I've ever loved a band so much as I loved B&S around the time of the EPs and first two albums and whilst they were often quite shonky live (my friend asked SM for his money back after one of the Manchester Town Hall shows), I think they lost something when they became more professional, especially when their gigs stopped being such events and they started playing normal venues. I realise it might well be me that's the problem as most people seem to be having a whale of a time when I've seen them relatively recently. Maybe I'm just too miserable and old, or don't like 'big' gigs. I was thinking of going to see them at one of the (subsequently postponed) spring shows but struggled to summon up much enthusiasm.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Inspector Norse on March 08, 2022, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: the science eel on March 07, 2022, 08:25:32 PMWhat are they like as a live act? thinking of going to see them next month

You might want to check on that - my girlfriend had a ticket to see them in Stockholm next month and got an e-mail that it was postponed until January.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: sutin on March 07, 2022, 11:01:58 PMThey hit some sort of late period purple patch with Girls In Peacetime, that album was their best since the Jeepster days IMO.

Ha! I thought it was their worst album, albeit with 2 or 3 decent songs on it. Those subsequent EPs were even worse though. Also, I wish they'd stop involving their fans in things like videos and cover art. It's possibly rooted in good intentions but I hate it.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: the science eel on March 08, 2022, 11:02:40 AM
Quote from: Inspector Norse on March 08, 2022, 10:41:11 AMYou might want to check on that - my girlfriend had a ticket to see them in Stockholm next month and got an e-mail that it was postponed until January.

Yeah, the Milan date looks like it's been postponed too.

Ah well.

Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 08, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 10:42:20 AMHa! I thought it was their worst album, albeit with 2 or 3 decent songs on it. Those subsequent EPs were even worse though. Also, I wish they'd stop involving their fans in things like videos and cover art. It's possibly rooted in good intentions but I hate it.

What, worse than (Oh) Dear (What A) Catastrophe Waitress?? I think Play for Today (the greatest B&S song ever?), Nobody's Empire, The Cat With The Cream and The Party Line alone secure it's place as their best in decades. The slight move into more electronic sounds really seemed to revitalise them after the tired-sounding Write About Love. The EPs that followed felt like a slight step back but there's still some great stuff there. You didn't like Sweet Dew Lee?? That's as strong as anything from the first three albums, too!

I do think that their sleeves have gotten worse. As much as i'm a fan of the Girls In Peacetime album, the artwork is hideous. The Push Barman... comp, despite containing some of their greatest ever music, has a horrible cover and title. The Stew Murdoch of 1996 would never have released something that looked like that. I guess you lose touch with your aesthetic as you get older. I still love 'em though, and probably always will. I've had them in my life for about 23 years now.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 08, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 10:33:57 AMI think they lost something when they became more professional, especially when their gigs stopped being such events and they started playing normal venues.

I totally understand and can relate to that. I think in the early '00s they realised that they couldn't be overly precious if they were gonna be in it for the long term, so they polished things up. I think the main reason Catastrophe Waitress is my least favourite (besides some crummy songs) is that it was the first 'professional' B&S album. They suddenly started releasing singles from the albums, they toured properly and they did fancy photoshoots. I eventually got over it and haven't lost touch with them since, I guess it's just getting older. They still make good records, and I still get excited by them and buy them on release day.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: sutin on March 08, 2022, 12:28:35 PMI totally understand and can relate to that. I think in the early '00s they realised that they couldn't be overly precious if they were gonna be in it for the long term, so they polished things up. I think the main reason Catastrophe Waitress is my least favourite (besides some crummy songs) is that it was the first 'professional' B&S album. They suddenly started releasing singles from the albums, they toured properly and they did fancy photoshoots. I eventually got over it and haven't lost touch with them since, I guess it's just getting older. They still make good records, and I still get excited by them and buy them on release day.

I think the increased professionalism / multiple format shit was a condition of Rough Trade signing them. DCW has some ace songs on it although I agree that the SIMOB is dogshit. Wish they could have found a way to get Desperation Made A Fool Of Me fit as that's one of my favourites from that era.

I think TBWTAS was my biggest disappoinment, largely due to the pissy version of Sleep the Clock, which should have been an absolute monster, too much Isobel and coming on the heels of those EPs.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: PaulTMA on March 08, 2022, 02:00:36 PM
I've heard the new album and confirm that it is by far their best
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 08, 2022, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: PaulTMA on March 08, 2022, 02:00:36 PMI've heard the new album and confirm that it is by far their best

Have you really?
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: jobotic on March 08, 2022, 02:36:23 PM
I've only seen them once - in Oxford just after If You're Feeling Sinister came out (because I'm that cool/old).

They were great but we queued for ages while an endless procession of gorgeous Glaswegian indie kids went in first, presumably on the guest list. Felt a bit like going to a party where everyone is great mates but you don't know any of them.

They were good though. I bought an incredibly twee t-shirt with a bus on it that even as the streak of piss I was then I could barely fit into.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 08, 2022, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: jobotic on March 08, 2022, 02:36:23 PMThey were good though. I bought an incredibly twee t-shirt with a bus on it that even as the streak of piss I was then I could barely fit into.

I still have that shirt, and I still can't fit into it.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 03:42:04 PM
I sold mine on ebay for £££ along with my mugs.

I remember when they played Manchester Town Hall and Katrina and David from Jeepster had travelled up from London with a van full of merchandise. They parked their van outside their B&B in Salford and every single 'Judy and the Dream of Horses' mug (except for one) was nicked out of the back .

A year or so later, I attended a party in Eccles, went to get a glass out of the cupboard only to find it full of those very mugs.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pranet on March 08, 2022, 04:14:10 PM
I remember when IYFS came out I walked around all the records shops of York where I was student asking them if they had it and was met with blank looks.

The little record shop in my home town had the case but they couldn't find the CD.

QuoteThey were great but we queued for ages while an endless procession of gorgeous Glaswegian indie kids went in first, presumably on the guest list. Felt a bit like going to a party where everyone is great mates but you don't know any of them.

Yeah I think in Stuart Murdoch's ideal world all their fans would look like the woman on the cover of the Wrapped up in Books single.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on March 08, 2022, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 08, 2022, 12:52:09 PMI think TBWTAS was my biggest disappoinment, largely due to the pissy version of Sleep the Clock, which should have been an absolute monster, too much Isobel and coming on the heels of those EPs.
Yeah, it's got some incredible songs on it but sounds like it was recorded through a soggy paper bag and really loses steam by the end.
Can't get behind the dislike of DCW though. Yeah, 'Office' is pretty naff and 'Caught in Love' is a career low point, but the rest is fabulous. 'Wrapped Up in Books', 'Asleep on a Sunbeam' and 'Stay Loose' are up there with their best, I reckon.
Quote from: Pranet on March 08, 2022, 04:14:10 PMYeah I think in Stuart Murdoch's ideal world all their fans would look like the woman on the cover of the Wrapped up in Books single.
I find his fixation on very young looking '60s model-type women increasingly disturbing the older he gets.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 08, 2022, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: purlieu on March 08, 2022, 06:47:03 PMCan't get behind the dislike of DCW though. Yeah, 'Office' is pretty naff and 'Caught in Love' is a career low point, but the rest is fabulous. 'Wrapped Up in Books', 'Asleep on a Sunbeam' and 'Stay Loose' are up there with their best, I reckon.

Yeah, even though it's my least favourite I still like most of it, including the songs you mentioned (except Stay Loose which i've always found really forgettable).
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: badaids on March 08, 2022, 07:08:51 PM
Every thing I feel about B&S has already been said in the previous 27 posts. Is there another band that has such a homogenised bunch of fans - everyone feels exactly the same about them.  They've kind of done a sort of Charlie Brooker thing haven't they?

I expect this album will be terrible in the same ways the last 2 were, but I'll still buy it, listen to half of it and then never listen to it ever again.

The only two you need are Tiger Milk and IYFS.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pranet on March 08, 2022, 07:25:08 PM
Well, I disagree with that. I really like DCW, TLP and WAL. So ner. I listen to them much more than the first two albums. That is partly because I listened to the first two to death at the time and they are very associated with a certain time of my life. But also because I really liked those later albums.

As I said I've not listened to them much recently but that was as much down to me as them.... when I get round to the newer records I might like them might not.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on March 09, 2022, 09:43:37 AM
I'm a rarity in that I really like Fold Your Hands. Possibly because it was my first B&S album, but the baroque, orchestrated melancholia of it really works for me. The first two tracks are among my favourite of their songs.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: SteveDave on March 09, 2022, 09:44:40 AM
I bought "Lazy Line Painter Jane" on the strength of a Planet Sound review without having heard it first (it said they were like the Velvet Underground) Then I mentioned them at a party I went to a few weeks later and was then handed this

https://www.discogs.com/release/2332559-Belle-And-Sebastian-Tigermilk

It sounded like it was recorded off an album at slightly the wrong speed.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: jobotic on March 09, 2022, 09:50:54 AM
I should add that I was an indie kid at the time, just not Glaswegian or gorgeous.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pranet on March 09, 2022, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: SteveDave on March 09, 2022, 09:44:40 AMI bought "Lazy Line Painter Jane" on the strength of a Planet Sound review without having heard it first (it said they were like the Velvet Underground) Then I mentioned them at a party I went to a few weeks later and was then handed this

https://www.discogs.com/release/2332559-Belle-And-Sebastian-Tigermilk

It sounded like it was recorded off an album at slightly the wrong speed.

I remember a guy in the market selling CDRs of Tigermilk before it was re-released. I didn't buy that because by then they said they were going re-release it, but I did buy a CD of that Paris concert off him.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 09, 2022, 09:57:58 AM
I had a nostalgic binge on the early stuff a few weeks back, and had a lot of warm feelings going back to my teens. That said, what seemed to me then all sort of melancholy and lovelorn in the lyrics now seems a bit more dodgy in its attitude to women. He never seems to grant them any agency and the only personalities they're allowed to exhibit are enigmatic or inexplicably destructive. If that stuff came out now, it would probably come across as a bit incel-y. Didn't put me off or horrify me or anything - more interested in how my attitudes have changed over twenty years.

I suppose the apotheosis would be that time they went on Jools Holland and he sung about what a cunt his ex was while she had to stand there bashing a tambourine, which seemed wonderfully dramatic at the time but now seems bare dodge.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: SteveDave on March 09, 2022, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 09, 2022, 09:57:58 AMI suppose the apotheosis would be that time they went on Jools Holland and he sung about what a cunt his ex was while she had to stand there bashing a tambourine, which seemed wonderfully dramatic at the time but now seems bare dodge.

Yeah, she doesn't look happy


The balls on the man...
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 09, 2022, 10:23:35 AM
You feel like the whole band's got too caught up in their own story to examine whether or not this is an appropriate way to behave. So many people on that stage, and seemingly none of them's gone "er, is this a good idea?"
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sevendaughters on March 09, 2022, 10:35:05 AM
has a low level Savile vibe about him. genuinely felt like God Help The Girl was made by a man above the law.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Kankurette on March 09, 2022, 12:21:14 PM
Quote from: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 09, 2022, 09:57:58 AMI had a nostalgic binge on the early stuff a few weeks back, and had a lot of warm feelings going back to my teens. That said, what seemed to me then all sort of melancholy and lovelorn in the lyrics now seems a bit more dodgy in its attitude to women. He never seems to grant them any agency and the only personalities they're allowed to exhibit are enigmatic or inexplicably destructive. If that stuff came out now, it would probably come across as a bit incel-y. Didn't put me off or horrify me or anything - more interested in how my attitudes have changed over twenty years.

I suppose the apotheosis would be that time they went on Jools Holland and he sung about what a cunt his ex was while she had to stand there bashing a tambourine, which seemed wonderfully dramatic at the time but now seems bare dodge.
Explains a lot about his movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Help_the_Girl_(film)) then.

QuoteEve escapes from the psychiatric hospital where she is being treated for anorexia nervosa and makes her way to Glasgow, hoping to become a musician. At a gig, she meets James, a lifeguard and aspiring songwriter. He introduces her to his guitar student Cassie, and the three become friends.

Eve meets Anton, the arrogant singer of a Glasgow band attracting attention from a local radio station. She gives him a tape of her music to pass on and they begin seeing each other.

James convinces Eve she needs bass and drums to finish her songs. They and Cassie form a band, God Help the Girl, with some local musicians. Anton admits he never gave Eve's tape to the radio producers, saying she needs better production and musicianship, and they argue.

James discovers Eve's relationship with Anton and becomes distanced from her. Feeling alone, Eve takes drugs and returns to hospital. She tells James she plans to attend music college in London, and they reconcile. After God Help the Girl performs their final concert, the radio station plays Eve's tape. The next day, she leaves for London.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Wacky Homemade Badges on March 09, 2022, 12:23:36 PM
Hahahahahahahaha. Not seen that. Hard pass.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: PaulTMA on March 09, 2022, 12:27:01 PM
Saving it for the nursing home
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: SteveDave on March 09, 2022, 12:31:38 PM
That sounds on par with "Giddy Stratospheres"
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on March 09, 2022, 12:57:09 PM
Good God.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: DrumsAndWires on March 09, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Their best song, objectively, is The State I Am In. Arguably that album has the best artwork too.

Basically yeah, their music peaked in the 90s. Still gassed for their new LP tho
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 09, 2022, 03:37:54 PM
He's not the easiest man to warm to, there's definitely something a bit suspect about him. Stevie always seemed more like the guy you'd want to hang with.

If I could say one positive thing about Stuart Murdoch, at least he and B&S haven't been massive terfs in public like their old pals Camera Obscura and Teenage Fanclub.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on March 09, 2022, 04:53:47 PM
Yeah, Stevie seems like a lovely lad but I've never got on with his songs at all.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: badaids on March 09, 2022, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on March 09, 2022, 10:35:05 AMhas a low level Savile vibe about him. genuinely felt like God Help The Girl was made by a man above the law.

I read an interview about Murdoch where he described as Christian with a small 'c', about the time that they professionalised themselves up. For some that went a long way for me to explain his creepy persona.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: scarecrow on March 09, 2022, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: sutin on March 09, 2022, 03:37:54 PMIf I could say one thing positive thing about Stuart Murdoch, at least he and B&S haven't been massive terfs in public like their old pals Camera Obscura and Teenage Fanclub.
I'm yet to meet a 50+ Glasgow indie type who isn't a massive TERF, so no surprises here, but when have TFC been publicly TERFey?
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 09, 2022, 07:13:48 PM
Quote from: scarecrow on March 09, 2022, 06:13:01 PMI'm yet to meet a 50+ Glasgow indie type who isn't a massive TERF, so no surprises here, but when have TFC been publicly TERFey?

Think it was the drummer (or an ex-drummer).

The Pastels aren't terfs. Well, Katrina isn't, anyway. For all his tedious centrism, don't think Stephen is either.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 09, 2022, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 09, 2022, 07:13:48 PMThink it was the drummer (or an ex-drummer).

The Pastels aren't terfs. Well, Katrina isn't, anyway. For all his tedious centrism, don't think Stephen is either.

Yeah, Francis MacDonald. He was a nasty piece of work on Twitter, went after a few friends of mine (who didn't even @ him in).

Yeah, Stephen and Katrina are great. Katrina started that 'Music For Trans Rights' thing and said that 'Come To The Dance' from the last Pastels LP was about trans rights. The Pastels were always my favs from the Glasgow 'scene' so it was nice not being let down by them.

I don't think there's much chance of Stuart Murdoch going terf, he has always at least feigned an image of inclusivity. It wouldn't be his style.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 09, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: purlieu on March 09, 2022, 04:53:47 PMYeah, Stevie seems like a lovely lad but I've never got on with his songs at all.

As time as gone on I think Stevie's songs have gotten better. And Jonathan David is one of their all-time greatest obv.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: imitationleather on March 10, 2022, 12:56:46 AM
Quote from: sevendaughters on March 09, 2022, 10:35:05 AMhas a low level Savile vibe about him.

He really does.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 10, 2022, 08:43:40 AM
Quote from: sutin on March 09, 2022, 07:26:30 PMAs time as gone on I think Stevie's songs have gotten better. And Jonathan David is one of their all-time greatest obv.

Obv not. It's shit.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: phantom_power on March 10, 2022, 09:21:23 AM
Speaking of 90s indie musicians and whether or not they are TERFs, I got a bit worried yesterday when I saw that Marie from Kenickie has liked something relating the TERFosphere but was relieved when it turned out it was someone criticising Rowling, so that was OK.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 10, 2022, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 10, 2022, 08:43:40 AMObv not. It's shit.

What, Jonathan David?? Well... that's a different opinion. In my experience that's always been a popular one with fans and even Stevie cynics.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 10, 2022, 09:42:28 AM
Quote from: purlieu on March 09, 2022, 09:43:37 AMI'm a rarity in that I really like Fold Your Hands. Possibly because it was my first B&S album, but the baroque, orchestrated melancholia of it really works for me. The first two tracks are among my favourite of their songs.

It was the first new one to come out after I got into them, and the first time I saw them live was about a year later (in Belfast, the concert featured on the BBC Sessions album). Agreed that the first two songs are killer, and There's Too Much Love rules too.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: popcorn on March 10, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
I think God Help the Girl is the worst film I've ever seen in my life. I've seen many worse-made films, but that on top of being badly made God Help the Girl is uniquely dimwitted and trite and hateful. When they lower me into the grave my toes will still be curled with embarrassment thinking about it.

That Wikipedia plot summary doesn't mention the fact that one of the characters goes to a Christian faith healer at one point and is cured of troubles.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on March 10, 2022, 02:05:31 PM
I saw B&S live at the anniversary show for If You're Feeling Sinister a few years back and had very mixed feelings about it. Kind-of cringe-tainted nostalgia.

Was perturbed by the fact that Murdoch appeared to've adopted the speech mannerisms of a twenty-something youtube vlogger, which for a man his age is just plain unseemly.

Basically, just this but an actual grown human being.

Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Kankurette on March 10, 2022, 03:13:13 PM
Quote from: phantom_power on March 10, 2022, 09:21:23 AMSpeaking of 90s indie musicians and whether or not they are TERFs, I got a bit worried yesterday when I saw that Marie from Kenickie has liked something relating the TERFosphere but was relieved when it turned out it was someone criticising Rowling, so that was OK.
Oh thank fuck, I adore Kenickie and I don't want them going full TERF.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sevendaughters on March 10, 2022, 03:17:25 PM
lol this thread did not go where Jeepster hoped it would
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Enrico Palazzo on March 10, 2022, 03:27:34 PM
He's a Christian, anti-independence Ayr United fan. Wrong 'un.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: imitationleather on March 10, 2022, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Enrico Palazzo on March 10, 2022, 03:27:34 PMHe's a Christian, anti-independence Ayr United fan. Wrong 'un.

That is a hat-trick of desperately lame things there, Clive.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Nice Relaxing Poo on March 10, 2022, 05:29:17 PM
For a band that I was once obsessed with, I think less about B&S than most bands these days. They seemed to just lose their spark and charm quite abruptly when they became more "pro".
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Clatty McCutcheon on March 10, 2022, 11:22:21 PM
The beginning of this new song doesn't half sound like 'Hand in Glove'.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Fisher Goes Berserk on March 10, 2022, 11:42:44 PM
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on March 10, 2022, 11:22:21 PMThe beginning of this new song doesn't half sound like 'Hand in Glove'.

I immediately thought Church Of The Poison Mind.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: badaids on March 10, 2022, 11:46:56 PM
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on March 10, 2022, 11:22:21 PMThe beginning of this new song doesn't half sound like 'Hand in Glove'.

It certainly does.

But my very first thought was that if you take away the vocal track it sounds like the type of music they would have for the Sky Sports Football coverage.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sevendaughters on March 11, 2022, 07:59:48 AM
awful production, bad song, band now: for meffs.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: ajsmith2 on March 11, 2022, 09:21:08 AM
Another new song/video, this one issued in support of the Ukraine situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcwqBdXVLvg
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 11, 2022, 03:57:24 PM
I'm now avoiding any more tracks from the album until it comes out, but what's the general consensious on this new one?
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 11, 2022, 04:24:21 PM
I just this second listened to it and have already forgotten everything about it.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 11, 2022, 05:24:49 PM
Sounds great!!
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on March 11, 2022, 05:30:34 PM
Middle of the road gospel pop. Late 90s car adverts here we come!
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: PaulTMA on March 11, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
Top 5 song of theirs
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on March 11, 2022, 08:36:33 PM
This is shaping up to be their best album since Scary Monsters.

I quite like the Hand in Glove harmonica one, whatever it's called. It's alright. The latest one is entirely forgettable, but, y'know, at least it will raise some money for a good cause. So that's something. As opposed to nothing.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 12, 2022, 11:31:37 AM
Hand In Glove one has been stuck in my head a lot, it has definitely grown on me.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pranet on March 12, 2022, 11:44:32 AM
Yes it was going around my head last night when I was trying to sleep.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Ron Maels Moustache on March 13, 2022, 09:32:56 AM
Without wanting to sound like some dreadful indie snob, I've started to think that for me B&S probably never really topped the couple of radio sessions they did in 1996 for Mark Radcliffe - which included songs from Tigermilk that were then impossible to get hold of, giving them an added mystique - I felt like the recorded versions were bit of a disappointment when the album was eventually reissued.

The second one included a slow Velvets-esque arrangement of Seeing Other People that although slightly shambolic I still prefer to the IYFS version, but which was left off the annoyingly selective BBC Sessions album, as was We Rule The School and This Is Just A Modern Rock Song from the same session (and they also irritatingly faded off the last minute or so of I Could Be Dreaming when it goes into a mad freakout while Isobel rambles on about her dreams - did they not think it sounded B&S enough or something?)
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: phantom_power on March 13, 2022, 09:51:02 AM
For me they never bettered Rhoda
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on March 13, 2022, 10:17:39 AM
They're like a best friend that you grew up and were really close to but then they moved to London and whilst it's still kind of nice to see them when they come home, they're different and a bit irritating (and have an unhealthy obsession with 19 year old females).
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on March 13, 2022, 10:39:52 AM
I only liked their Dog on Wheels EP.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Neomod on March 13, 2022, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: phantom_power on March 13, 2022, 09:51:02 AMFor me they never bettered Rhoda

"Goodnight Terry"
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Memorex MP3 on March 13, 2022, 12:35:34 PM
They're not really a band you need more than a couple of albums from, are they? Add in the early EPs and a few singles off the next few albums and that's more B&S than I'll ever need.

Dunno if they went totally off the boil creatively after the Life Pursuit but it definitely seemed like most people had had their fill regardless by the time talk of the next album emerged.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on March 13, 2022, 02:12:20 PM
I feel like i've found it harder to let go than most other fans who were around since the Jeepster era. The two times I thought they might not be worth sticking with was Dear Catastrophe Waitress and Write About Love, and in both those cases they followed up with a much better album. I have a feeling this new one might be a bit of a dud, but no doubt i'll obsessively listen to it regardless.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: AllisonSays on March 13, 2022, 03:07:17 PM
For me they were better when they sounded like they'd recorded the songs in a phonebox, but I think that about pretty much every band, possibly because of my appalling lack of musicality. I also indelibly associate them now with an old friend and a bad memory of that friend which has made my avoidance of their last two or three albums even easier.

I concur with whoever said they're still a decent live act, although to be fair it's probably five or six years since I saw them. Surprisingly lively.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 22, 2022, 02:30:09 PM
Another new track...

Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: scarecrow on April 22, 2022, 02:58:10 PM
Sounds like Womble of the Universe for a split second at the very beginning, then stock music for one of those 'friendversary' montages Facebook automatically generates.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Gurke and Hare on April 25, 2022, 12:25:41 PM
Sarah can't do talky bits at the end of the song as well as Isobel could.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on April 25, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on April 22, 2022, 02:30:09 PMAnother new track...


Old and Shit.

Fucking awful. That terrible line about how 'some of us have children and some of us have dogs'!
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: billyandthecloneasaurus on April 27, 2022, 10:57:12 AM
Jesus Christ what the fuck is that absolute wank
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: billyandthecloneasaurus on April 27, 2022, 10:59:31 AM

7.36 - every belle and sebastian song for the last 20 years or so
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: ajsmith2 on April 28, 2022, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: billyandthecloneasaurus on April 27, 2022, 10:59:31 AM

7.36 - every belle and sebastian song for the last 20 years or so

That's a good reminder that everythings about context: most of the reason that that song sounds risible is in the cheap musical accompaniment and the singers wimpy, amateurish vocals. And the overly earnest lyric. But the basic song is pretty solid: if you maybe tweaked the lyrics minimally to give them a tiny bit more archness while keeping the overall message and had Belle and Sebastian perform it as their new single, it'd probably be considered a return to form by many.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on April 28, 2022, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: ajsmith2 on April 28, 2022, 10:26:02 AMthe cheap musical accompaniment and the singers wimpy, amateurish vocals. And the overly earnest lyric.

But that is Belle + The Machine & Sebastian's appeal isn't it?
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: ajsmith2 on May 06, 2022, 09:55:50 AM
Another new video/song:

Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Neomod on May 06, 2022, 10:04:46 AM
I know. Let's make an unimaginative homage to Gregory's Girl.

But here's the twist......
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Egyptian Feast on May 06, 2022, 10:20:59 AM
Murdoch has some advice (https://twitter.com/nee_massey/status/1522306539800993793?t=GFNOmGQDqUU5gQASby70FQ&s=19) for listening to the new LP:

Quote from: Stuart MurdochHow to listen to our new lp if you are an established fan.

Have a drink

Understand it's not Sinister, Tigermilk or Arab Strap

Understand we can't take you back to those days and the way you felt then

Listen to one track, maybe track 5.

That's enough for today
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: purlieu on May 06, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
He forgot step 6: take the album back to the shop and buy something good.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: phantom_power on May 06, 2022, 05:15:11 PM
I am quite enjoying it. It is nowhere near the peak of those first 3 albums and EPs but it is OK, particularly Unnecessary Drama
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 06, 2022, 09:40:21 PM
Quote from: Egyptian Feast on May 06, 2022, 10:20:59 AMMurdoch has some advice (https://twitter.com/nee_massey/status/1522306539800993793?t=GFNOmGQDqUU5gQASby70FQ&s=19) for listening to the new LP:

I always think it's a good idea to be condescending to the people who've given me a career, too.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: sutin on May 07, 2022, 01:44:45 PM
Listened to the album through 3 times yesterday whilst walking around North Wales and none of it is sticking with me at all (apart from Hand In Glove one that I already knew). I'll playing it on repeat until I actually remember any of it.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Pauline Walnuts on May 07, 2022, 08:55:44 PM
Quote from: sutin on May 07, 2022, 01:44:45 PMListened to the album through 3 times yesterday whilst walking around North Wales and none of it is sticking with me at all (apart from Hand In Glove one that I already knew). I'll playing it on repeat until I actually remember any of it.

We don't know where he came from, but it's said he has walked the hills for decades with his headphones on, his beard now down to his knees.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Malcy on May 19, 2022, 11:20:22 PM
Listened to it about a week or so ago. Think it was ok. Considered pre-ordering the vinyl but hugely unimpressed with B&S vinyl i have.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Smeraldina Rima on May 20, 2022, 04:05:52 AM
Quote from: Egyptian Feast on May 06, 2022, 10:20:59 AMMurdoch has some advice (https://twitter.com/nee_massey/status/1522306539800993793?t=GFNOmGQDqUU5gQASby70FQ&s=19) for listening to the new LP:

If you don't like it why not listen to some of your old Chris Morris radio shows instead . 
Teen angst in men over 21 is kind of sad. Next friday do the following. Talk to a woman for more than 10 minutes, don't touch a computer ALL day, have a couple of laqers, watch Balls of Steel with your mates.  You'll never have to visit a `forum' again.
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: Excellent_Biscuits on May 20, 2022, 09:50:09 AM
Aaaaahaha he's ragin'
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: phantom_power on May 20, 2022, 10:34:58 AM
It must be hard knowing you peaked with your first few albums and no matter how hard you try you will never get anywhere near that. Or at the least, if you are satisfied just making stuff you like the reaction from fans comparing it to your early days must be a pain in the arse
Title: Re: New Belle & Sebastian LP
Post by: holyzombiejesus on May 23, 2022, 10:10:24 AM
I've finally listened to this now and it's just not very good. Last song is great though, stands head and shoulders over everything else on the record. Talking of records, has anyone got a bit of a dodgy pressing? I rarely get (or probably hear) bad pressings but the final few tracks sound like the needles got fluff on it.