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Title: Sport films thread
Post by: rjd2 on April 29, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
A lot of films from different sports and sadly most pretty wank.

I watched two I have not seen for yonks recently, He Got Game from Spike Lee about a prodigy who has to decide who to play for whose dad is Denzel which was pretty good but a little melodramatic and Fat City about a journeyman trying to make ends meat which was very solid with John Houston directing and Jeff Bridges starring.

Other good sport films,,,,erm the 1st 2 Rocky films , The Happiest Day in the Life of Olli Mäki about a Finish boxer who gets the fight of his life and Journeyman with Paddy Considine. Kevin Costner has some fun sporty films also.

So lads, this genre its pretty weak isn't it,,,or am I missing out on a load of top work?
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 29, 2022, 04:47:20 PM
Raging Bull seems like the obvious omission there.

Dodgeball?
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: rjd2 on April 29, 2022, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 29, 2022, 04:47:20 PMRaging Bull seems like the obvious omission there.

Dodgeball?

Oops.

Moneyball also to be fair was a pleasant enough watch.
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Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on April 29, 2022, 05:01:48 PM
Ali is terrible because Smith has all the megalomania of Ali but none of the charm or charisma. The Wrestler was good.
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Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on April 29, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
I seem to remember enjoying Escape To Victory, but that bit where they break his leg makes me wince a bit. It's the little yelp he gives out that does it, along with the crunching noise.
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Post by: bgmnts on April 29, 2022, 06:20:39 PM
I know Cool Runnings is a cult classic but not a huge fan.

Is Damned United any good? I love Sheen in anything but not very arsed about Clough and Leeds really as a subject for a film.
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Post by: Crenners on April 29, 2022, 06:39:10 PM
Slap Shot (1977) with Paul Newman is fantastic. Maybe the best sports film, to be honest.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 29, 2022, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on April 29, 2022, 06:20:39 PMIs Damned United any good? I love Sheen in anything but not very arsed about Clough and Leeds really as a subject for a film
I've no great interest in the subject either but I liked it. There's not that much football in it, as I recall.

I've only seen a small snippet of it ages ago, but Lagaan is supposed to be good. It's about an Indian village taking on their British oppressors in a game of cricket.
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Post by: QDRPHNC on April 29, 2022, 07:42:59 PM
I remember quite liking Tin Cup, although it's got some shit moments.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 29, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
Shaolin Soccer is a lot of fun, nice bit of Stephen Chow action.

Battlefield Baseball is also a lot of fun, and it's got a decent amount of gore too. Not as much as Deadball, mind, which is like BB's disgusting cousin. 

Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Joe Qunt on April 29, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on April 29, 2022, 06:20:39 PMIs Damned United any good? I love Sheen in anything but not very arsed about Clough and Leeds really as a subject for a film.

The best film about football ever made, hands down. Doesn't fall into the usual cliches and trappings just brilliant performances and writing. My favourite bit is when Clough/Sheen walks onto the training pitch for the first time, calls them all a bunch of cheating bastards, hammers the ball into the net and gets absolutely clattered all in the space of five minutes. Brilliant stuff. 
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: rjd2 on April 29, 2022, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: Joe Qunt on April 29, 2022, 09:44:53 PMThe best film about football ever made, hands down. Doesn't fall into the usual cliches and trappings just brilliant performances and writing. My favourite bit is when Clough/Sheen walks onto the training pitch for the first time, calls them all a bunch of cheating bastards, hammers the ball into the net and gets absolutely clattered all in the space of five minutes. Brilliant stuff. 

I enjoyed it also although not seen it since came out.

One thing however, if I am correct wasn't their criticism from the likes of Giles etc that it wasn't close whatsoever to real live events it portrayed ?
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 11:30:19 PM
White Men Can't Jump
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Joe Qunt on April 29, 2022, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: rjd2 on April 29, 2022, 11:26:15 PMI enjoyed it also although not seen it since came out.

One thing however, if I am correct wasn't their criticism from the likes of Giles etc that it wasn't close whatsoever to real live events it portrayed ?

Oh yeah it's basically fan fiction.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: dissolute ocelot on April 29, 2022, 11:45:24 PM
I hate sports so I don't know if liking White Men Can't Jump, The Set-Up, She's The Man, Friday Night Lights, Eight Men Out, Field Of Dreams, Escape To Victory, The Running Man, Bend It Like Beckham, the one where Amy Schumer shags someone who is peripherally connected with sport, etc, proves they are all terrible sports movies.

On the other hand, Raging Bull is clearly made by someone who hates sports, just as King of Comedy is made by someone who hates light entertainment.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 29, 2022, 11:54:03 PM
Kingpin's alright as well, if you count bowling as sport (I do).
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on April 30, 2022, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on April 29, 2022, 11:45:24 PMI hate sports so I don't know if liking White Men Can't Jump, The Set-Up, She's The Man, Friday Night Lights, Eight Men Out, Field Of Dreams, Escape To Victory, The Running Man, Bend It Like Beckham, the one where Amy Schumer shags someone who is peripherally connected with sport, etc, proves they are all terrible sports movies.

On the other hand, Raging Bull is clearly made by someone who hates sports, just as King of Comedy is made by someone who hates light entertainment.

I hate poker and find casinos boring but love Casino, The Cooler, Hard Eight and California Split
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: curiousoranges on May 01, 2022, 09:50:12 AM
Happy Gilmour (golf) and The Waterboy (American football) are good films. Plenty of belly laughs in both.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: curiousoranges on May 01, 2022, 09:50:46 AM
The Wedding Singer is good too, but there aren't any sports in it. I don't like any other Adam Sandler films though.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: surreal on May 02, 2022, 12:52:31 PM
Rush is very good IMHO - James Hunt vs Nikki Lauda, some really good racing action even if they do cut a few of the races short

Never seen Days of Thunder, is that Nascar? or just tangential?

Erm, Rollerball?
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 02, 2022, 03:48:50 PM
Days of Thunder is basically Top Gun with cars, it carries all the same plot beats, but I love it. The race sections are genuinely thrilling, and they get the stupid driver names spot on.
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Post by: Dex Sawash on May 03, 2022, 12:18:19 PM

Wind (1992) is notable for the first film appearance of Jennifer Grey's tiny nose (probably)
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: surreal on May 03, 2022, 01:09:17 PM
I remember National Velvet being really entertaining (young Elizabeth Taylor pretends to be a male jockey so she can ride in the Grand National) , also that has the "International Velvet" sequel too but can't recall if it was any good
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 03, 2022, 01:45:47 PM
Is pool a sport? I watched The Color of Money the other day. I'll freely admit to being utterly cackhanded, but the displays of skill from Newman and Cruise are so gobsmacking that I wondered if they were using magnets under the table or something. I need to give The Hustler another viewing.

This makes a fairly convincing case, but team ballgames only criteria seems rather arbitrary. I'd say combat sports, like boxing and whatnot, are at least equal to baseball. What's more cinematic than two people knocking ten bells out of each other?
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: studpuppet on May 03, 2022, 01:47:23 PM
Grand Prix [1966] has a bit of a ropey plot, but still has the best action sequences of any motor racing film - they basically had a mini-race before each Grand Prix so the crowds, pit lane and drivers were all authentic. It's also a time capsule, in that it shows some of the F1 circuits in their heyday (Monaco, Spa, and the banking at Monza before the health and safety brigade intervened and insisted that drivers stop, y'know, dying).

Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: studpuppet on May 03, 2022, 02:01:57 PM
The Great Triumvirate of Golf is not Harry Vardon JH Taylor and James Braid, but:

Caddyshack (possibly Bill 'unorthodox grip' Murray's finest hour)

The Greatest Game Ever Played


The Phantom Of The Open

Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 03, 2022, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 03, 2022, 01:45:47 PMI'd say combat sports, like boxing and whatnot, are at least equal to baseball. What's more cinematic than two people knocking ten bells out of each other?
I'm not sure boxing, or any close-combat sport, is all that cinematic. It can be very exciting to watch, of course, but I think that maybe comes from a different part of the brain than the bit which appreciates the artistry of it. Or maybe I'm talking bollocks, I don't know.

It's like how no-one gives a shit about amateur wrestling, but add elaborate entrances and costumes and that, and rig the result so you can have ebbs and flows, and you've got something worth watching.

With baseball, there's a lot of stuff round it which makes it easy to make a decent movie. The team coming together, or falling apart. Evil owners. Colourful crowd members. Personalities. Highlight reel plays. I perhaps ought to watch that video.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: A Hat Like That on May 03, 2022, 04:06:09 PM
QuoteJourneyman with Paddy Considine.

Good film, but a really, really tough watch in places.
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Post by: jamiefairlie on May 03, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Chariots of Fire is an entertaining yarn.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: kalowski on May 03, 2022, 08:43:08 PM
Quote from: rjd2 on April 29, 2022, 11:26:15 PMI enjoyed it also although not seen it since came out.

One thing however, if I am correct wasn't their criticism from the likes of Giles etc that it wasn't close whatsoever to real live events it portrayed ?
That criticism was laid at the book but I can't remember if that made its way into the film.
Book is very good, before Peace began to believe his own hype.
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: kalowski on May 03, 2022, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on April 29, 2022, 11:45:24 PMOn the other hand, Raging Bull is clearly made by someone who hates sports...
And Scorsese made it as if it was the last film he'd ever make, so threw every cinematic trick he could think of into it.
Pretty sure every fight is filmed in a different way.
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 03, 2022, 09:11:36 PM
Draft Day is fun.
Complete nonsense, but entertaining.
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Post by: finnquark on May 04, 2022, 08:20:33 AM
The Club is an entertaining enough Aussie Rules film.
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Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 04, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
Karate Kid
Point Break
Pumping Iron
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Post by: studpuppet on May 05, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Two wildly different stadium films:

Two Minute Warning



The Arsenal Stadium Mystery

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Post by: Old Thrashbarg on May 09, 2022, 02:48:25 PM
This Sporting Life is up there with the best sports-based films. It's been a long time since I've watched it actually. Doesn't seem to be on any streaming services, but is on YouTube: https://youtu.be/J9KOD8WNb6I
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 09, 2022, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on May 03, 2022, 03:43:06 PMWith baseball, there's a lot of stuff round it which makes it easy to make a decent movie. The team coming together, or falling apart. Evil owners. Colourful crowd members. Personalities. Highlight reel plays.
You can get all that sort of thing with boxing and the like. Not to mention that the immediate stakes are a lot higher. An underdog boxer risks getting their brains turned to jelly. What's the worst thing that's likely to happen in baseball? "You can't step up to the plate! They're too good at throwing!!!"
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Post by: EOLAN on May 09, 2022, 03:39:54 PM
Also on Baseball. It a stop-start sport that is relatively easier to edit around the action shots. Something which a lot of football and American football films fall down on.
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Post by: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 09, 2022, 03:49:26 PM
Is there a baseball film about them taking loads of steroids and their willies shrinking?
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Post by: mr. logic on May 19, 2022, 05:58:54 AM
Celtic Pride was a bit of a childhood favourite. Probably terrible though.
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Post by: badaids on May 19, 2022, 06:22:12 AM

Would love to see a film about Versus to be honest.
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Post by: studpuppet on May 19, 2022, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: Elderly Sumo Prophecy on May 09, 2022, 03:49:26 PMIs there a baseball film about them taking loads of steroids and their willies shrinking?

Kind of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unauthorized_Bash_Brothers_Experience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unauthorized_Bash_Brothers_Experience)


Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Rolf Lundgren on May 19, 2022, 11:43:18 PM
Watched Goal II: Living the Dream recently which has to be the only sports film where the final winning moment is clinched by a character who hasn't even had a single line in the film (David Beckham as himself).
Title: Re: Sport films thread
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 20, 2022, 02:48:46 AM
Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on April 29, 2022, 06:47:42 PMI've only seen a small snippet of it ages ago, but Lagaan is supposed to be good. It's about an Indian village taking on their British oppressors in a game of cricket.

It's easily one of the best Bollywood films that I've seen, and I normally find cricket extremely tedious.