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Title: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 10:56:49 AM
Lawrence Fox is currently undergoing a libel trial about accusing 3 people of being paedophiles. It looks like he's trying to bust the case in a typical edgy fashion - by demanding a jury (which will relax the Judge's ability to throw out irrelevancies) because Judges are too woke and rely on a different semantic understanding of racism compared to the general public.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/laurence-fox-high-court-libel-trial-simon-blake-nicola-thorp-crystal-b1000860.html

QuoteThe actor argued any judge picked to oversee the case would be open to accusations of "involuntary bias" because of guidance issued to the judicial on racism, whereas he said a jury would have "enhanced impartiality".

QuoteFox, through his barrister Alexandra Marzec, argued a jury would be better at reaching fair verdicts "in light of the cultural and social context of this case", and suggested the arbiters of what is racist should be members of the public "assisted by his or her own life experience and knowledge of the English language".

I suppose this is a form of recourse technically viable for anyone charged of libel, but not really because it costs a fortune in legal costs (as Ash Sarkar points out), again pointing to other people bankrolling this prick.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: bgmnts on May 19, 2022, 11:06:12 AM
I'm surprised you can even prosecute a person with a chimp's IQ for libel.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 19, 2022, 11:06:12 AMI'm surprised you can even prosecute a person with a chimp's IQ for libel.

In the US there is a fitting notion of a 'libel-proof' plantiff doctrine that he could use but it would involve admitting no reasonable person should take him seriously.

QuoteThe libel-proof plaintiff doctrine is a concept that insulates a speaker or publisher from liability for statements made about someone who has no good reputation to protect.

I'll leave it up to someone else to answer whether there's an equivalent in UK law as I don't actually know.

Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Gurke and Hare on May 19, 2022, 12:17:35 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 11:12:17 AMI'll leave it up to someone else to answer whether there's an equivalent in UK law as I don't actually know.

I think the test for defamation in the UK is that the statement would damage the plaintiff's reputation in the eyes of a reasonable person, so you might think that he could reasonably suggest that no reasonable person could possibly have a lower opinion of him, but if he's being sued for calling people paedophiles then he's not the plaintiff, he's the defendant so it wouldn't apply.

If the case is about him calling people paedophiles, what's racism got to do with it anyway?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Zetetic on May 19, 2022, 12:24:48 PM
There's two lots of suing going on:

QuoteThe former Lewis actor is being sued by ex-Stonewall trustee Simon Blake, Coronation Street actress Nicola Thorp and drag artist Crystal after a Twitter row in October 2020.

In turn, Mr Fox – who founded the Reclaim Party and unsuccessfully stood as a candidate for London Mayor – is counter-suing the trio over tweets accusing him of racism in an exchange following Sainsbury's decision to celebrate Black History Month.

Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: MojoJojo on May 19, 2022, 12:29:59 PM
I think accusing the judge of bias at the start of the trial is an excellent legal strategy.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: shoulders on May 19, 2022, 12:48:37 PM
The benefits regarding self-promotion and perpetuating his anti-woke warrior public personal  probably outranks whether he wins or not.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on May 19, 2022, 12:52:43 PM
Not his fault judge is biased against fucking wankers
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on May 19, 2022, 12:59:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1469669966773374977/KjqF0Lk0_400x400.jpg)

god i'm cool...
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 19, 2022, 01:03:51 PM
He'll need lozza money to pay off these accusers
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 19, 2022, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on May 19, 2022, 12:17:35 PMI think the test for defamation in the UK is that the statement would damage the plaintiff's reputation in the eyes of a reasonable person, so you might think that he could reasonably suggest that no reasonable person could possibly have a lower opinion of him, but if he's being sued for calling people paedophiles then he's not the plaintiff, he's the defendant so it wouldn't apply.

If the case is about him calling people paedophiles, what's racism got to do with it anyway?

Who mentioned racism?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Endicott on May 19, 2022, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 19, 2022, 01:08:38 PMWho mentioned racism?


All the information is on the task.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: jobotic on May 19, 2022, 01:28:45 PM
Didn't they accuse him of being racist (which he is, genuinely or for grift)? He then accused them of being paedophiles.

BUT his argument is that their accusation was ridiculous, so he made an obviously equally ridiculous one back to illustrate that. He wasn't reeeaaallly calling them pedos on the loose.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Gurke and Hare on May 19, 2022, 01:55:59 PM
Quote from: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 19, 2022, 01:08:38 PMWho mentioned racism?


The quotes in the first post in this thread.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: frajer on May 19, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
A judge would be far too "legal" about this whole thing. I'll accept my judgement from the man in the street. They'll know exactly what to do with old Lozza Fox!

SFX: prison door slamming.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Bigfella on May 19, 2022, 02:36:32 PM
He should say 'Elon Musk got away with it, why not me?' Solid defence.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 19, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
Smoking is so boomer.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Key on May 19, 2022, 03:10:14 PM
Instead of getting a judge to judge me, could I not just ask some of my mates?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: jobotic on May 19, 2022, 03:14:19 PM
Judge: who are these mates?

Lozza: Darren Grimes

Judge: and?

Lozza: just Darren Grimes

Judge: that's it?

Lozza: you could also require Billie Piper to give evidence

Judge: does she have information that is relevant to this case?

Lozza: no, but I'd like to see her again

Judge: can anyone else smell shit? Just a faint whiff?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: jobotic on May 19, 2022, 03:14:19 PMJudge: that's it?

Well there's also that guy whose name I forget but I always think he looks like the 'lionel richtea' photoshop bought to life.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: phantom_power on May 19, 2022, 03:49:20 PM
DENIED!
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 19, 2022, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on May 19, 2022, 01:55:59 PMThe quotes in the first post in this thread.

My mistake!
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 03:54:23 PM
He's just the kind of twat to decide that his lawyer is incompetent and expensive, throw a fit and go pro se

If he does that, I'll be glued to it.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: bgmnts on May 19, 2022, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Paul Calf on May 19, 2022, 03:54:23 PMHe's just the kind of twat to decide that his lawyer is incompetent and expensive, throw a fit and go pro se

If he does that, I'll be glued to it.

Well as the old saying goes, he who represents himself has an absolute stupid fucking pointless reactionary grifting wank cunt for a client.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 04:51:32 PM
Purple Aki represents himself in court and sometimes gets off. Although that's probably not the most bizzare thing about Aki lore.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 19, 2022, 04:58:45 PM
You forget, he's a great actor and can therefore act like a great lawyer I file a motion to dismiss with prejudice, ac-tually.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 04:59:21 PM
My Cousin Smelly
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: bgmnts on May 19, 2022, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 04:51:32 PMPurple Aki represents himself in court and sometimes gets off. Although that's probably not the most bizzare thing about Aki lore.

Is he the only person in history to have a muscle touching ban?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: drummersaredeaf on May 19, 2022, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 04:51:32 PMand sometimes gets off.

I bet he does etc etc
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: somersetchris on May 19, 2022, 08:21:14 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 11:12:17 AMIn the US there is a fitting notion of a 'libel-proof' plantiff doctrine that he could use but it would involve admitting no reasonable person should take him seriously.


Yes doesn't Tucker Carlson (and Alex Jones) hide behind this? Apparently no reasonable person would believe what Tucker Carlson says therefore he is immune to libel claims, despite broadcasting on a channel which literally has 'News' as part of the name.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on May 19, 2022, 11:36:00 PM
Any country that doesn't presuppose it's average person is a credulous numbskull is either very ahead of its time or needs a particularly caustic word with its self
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: petril on May 20, 2022, 02:44:46 AM
Quote from: Rich Uncle Skeleton on May 19, 2022, 12:59:44 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1469669966773374977/KjqF0Lk0_400x400.jpg)

does anyone else just get the "...THAT YOU CAN LEGALLY BUY IN SHOPS" bit play in their head at photos like these?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 20, 2022, 02:57:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Z3FI2nZ.png)
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Juan K Perros on May 20, 2022, 03:28:12 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 04:59:21 PMMy Cousin Smelly

He's no longer on the telly
He's his family's sense of shame
He's less gold lame, more just lame
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Johnny Yesno on May 20, 2022, 05:28:43 AM
Quote from: petril on May 20, 2022, 02:44:46 AMdoes anyone else just get the "...THAT YOU CAN LEGALLY BUY IN SHOPS" bit play in their head at photos like these?

Ha, yes indeed. Poor Looza is more ridiculous than Donny Tourette.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Martin Van Buren Stan on May 20, 2022, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 20, 2022, 05:28:43 AMHa, yes indeed. Poor Looza is more ridiculous than Donny Tourette.

Donny was actually quite funny and self aware / self deprecating on that episode. I rewatched it a couple of years ago and was disgusted by the treatment he received.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Kankurette on May 20, 2022, 10:14:59 AM
Some people, such as Jurgen Klopp or Kate Moss, look hot while smoking. Lawrence Fox is not one of them.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 20, 2022, 11:04:26 AM
I don't think anyone will beat Lauren Bacall in that regard.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/091e877a92cc77e870d6db9f14b8450b/tumblr_nftahnncHL1sm2mbxo3_250.gif)

But then it isn't the 40's any more.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: dissolute ocelot on May 20, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: jobotic on May 19, 2022, 01:28:45 PMDidn't they accuse him of being racist (which he is, genuinely or for grift)? He then accused them of being paedophiles.

BUT his argument is that their accusation was ridiculous, so he made an obviously equally ridiculous one back to illustrate that. He wasn't reeeaaallly calling them pedos on the loose.
Calling him a racist is at least defensible as honest opinion (like when Kezia Dugdale called Stuart Campbell a homophobe, happy days). But it's a bit harder to argue that calling someone a paedophile is fair comment ("But guv doesn't his girlfriend look underage?").
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: JaDanketies on May 20, 2022, 10:28:32 PM
From what I can see, the 'libel-proof plaintiff doctrine' relates to the person who has been libelled already having such a shit reputation that it doesn't matter what you say about them - you can't sully their reputation any more.

So I don't know if there's a name for the defence for what, for instance, Alex Jones or Lawrence Fox or David Icke might say, if the idea is that nobody's really supposed to take him seriously so no harm has actually been caused. But if there is one, it's called something other than the 'libel-proof plaintiff doctrine'.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Kankurette on May 20, 2022, 10:33:14 PM
People call him racist because he says racist things. Bit different from fucking children.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Misspent Boners on May 20, 2022, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: bgmnts on May 19, 2022, 05:01:47 PMIs he the only person in history to have a muscle touching ban?

Why should you never take PA to a seafood restaurant?

Because he will try and grab your mussels
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Gurke and Hare on May 27, 2022, 09:39:51 AM
So far, so good

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTuBq0VWUAE5IzD?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: frajer on May 27, 2022, 09:40:43 AM
You love to see it.

Linehan: "You know all that stuff about me coining "groomer." Can I surprise you? I didn't."
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: jobotic on May 27, 2022, 09:41:52 AM
He won't be paying it will he? And we won't know who is.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: idunnosomename on May 27, 2022, 01:44:25 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hosking
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on May 27, 2022, 11:59:53 PM
Quote from: jobotic on May 27, 2022, 09:41:52 AMHe won't be paying it will he? And we won't know who is.

QuoteSo, I got to ask Laurence Fox in person  today who's funding his defamation defence.

He didn't answer, asked me what colour knickers I was wearing, then didn't answer some more.

What's he so afraid of people knowing?
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1530214366351597569

Grim.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: bgmnts on May 28, 2022, 12:02:40 AM
Admittedly, I am quite open about fancying the pants off Ash Sarkar but fucking hell.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: jobotic on May 28, 2022, 12:10:45 AM
What a fucking cunt (who smells of shit).


Why is he being funded? I mean I know why but he's so fucking shit at everything he does.
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 28, 2022, 12:18:34 AM
Can't reveal my source for their safety but I know pretty much for sure who is funding this guy.

Spoiler alert
(https://i.imgur.com/HsKOAjp.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Kankurette on May 28, 2022, 07:28:49 PM
Koch Brothers, or someone similar. And can Fox just not be disgusting to a woman for once?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Blumf on May 28, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: Kankurette on May 28, 2022, 07:28:49 PMAnd can Fox just not be disgusting to a woman for once?

Would you like the moon on a stick as well?
Title: Re: Lozza's Libel Trial
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on May 28, 2022, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 19, 2022, 04:51:32 PMPurple Aki represents himself in court and sometimes gets off.

I BET HE DOES THE DIRTY OLD BOLLOCKS ETC

(Gah, fecking ninja'd!)