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Started by Dr Rock, August 06, 2022, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 10:23:48 AMnobody ever owned another person and could sell them like in American slavery.
QuoteLegacies of British Slave-ownership which aims to list the individuals who received compensation. They estimate that somewhere between 10 and 20% of Britain's wealthy can be identified as having had links to slavery, ranging in their level of connection. University College London has been pursuing the case with The Centre for the Study of the Legacies of British Slave-ownership at the university.Since 2018, numerous Freedom of Information Act requests have been sent to the British government and Bank of England for the names of those who were paid with the bonds, of which all were denied
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 10:23:48 AMSure, England was heavily involved in the slave trade, and we had an horrid empire and we weren't angels (I say 'we', the common peasant had little or nothing to do with it), but nobody ever owned another person and could sell them like in American slavery.
QuoteMaybe Brits weren't using enslaved people in their homes and on their land in the same way as slavers in America,
Quote from: Inspector Norse on August 06, 2022, 10:48:11 AMWell yeah they did, just not up until 150 years ago like in the States. It happened quite a bit in ye olde medieval times.
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 10:56:13 AMYes I said we were heavily involved in the slave trade. My query is does the average American think we had slavery on a mass scale in Britain as they did the the US, for hundreds of years? And this exact fact is what I am curious of, as to the American understanding.
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 10:56:13 AMYes I said we were heavily involved in the slave trade. My query is does the average American think we had slavery on a mass scale in Britain as they did the the US, for hundreds of years?
Quote from: dissolute ocelot on August 06, 2022, 11:21:45 AMBritons were happy to outsource it. The main industries for slavery were cotton, sugar, and tobacco, none of which grow in the UK. By the 18th century Britain had too many agricultural workers, and when the industrial revolution started, jobs were ideal for women and children. Domestic servants were likewise mostly women and girls, kept in unpleasant conditions, worked near-constantly for negligible money. So there was no need for chattel slavery.When I was at school in Scotland, the industrial revolution and agricultural revolution were mainstays of history classes, so I'd guess a lot of British have some knowledge of that. I'm sure some Americans are familiar with Britain's Victorian workhouses through Dickens, and maybe coal mines or mills from other 19th century sources, but not sure how much else. I wouldn't imagine they think of Britain as covered with slave plantations.
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 10:23:48 AMI say 'we', the common peasant had little or nothing to do with it
Quote from: Buelligan on August 06, 2022, 11:46:41 AMI think there were 'ancient' populations of (ex slave in many cases) black people living in ports and slaving ports like Cardiff, Liverpool, Bristol and London, where their populations were concentrated enough to be noticeable and therefore, perhaps, treated by the police and authorities in ways similar to those apparent in the US.
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 10:23:48 AMbut nobody ever owned another person and could sell them like in American slavery.
Quote from: idunnosomename on August 06, 2022, 12:19:25 PMthis simply isn't true for the kingdom of England. There are plenty of slaves (servi) recorded in the Domesday book in 1086. Around 10% of the population. They're not serfs, they are true slaves. The practice pretty much went away in the next century or so. This might be worth a look if you want to know morehttps://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds
Quote from: Dr Rock on August 06, 2022, 12:45:10 PMAnyway, I just want an interesting discussion to come out of this. Like why has the US - post Roots anyway - made so many films about slavery days, yet I can't think of any British films about how shit it was to be a serf.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on August 06, 2022, 11:47:17 AMjust like how British exceptionalism depends on the myth of English spirit and the idea that it was England that pushed the progress of all nations forward. Even the English left isn't free of the social darwinist overtones of Britain as a inherently and uniquely socially progressive or scientific nation (luv the NHS).
Quote from: touchingcloth on August 06, 2022, 10:51:26 AMthere is really only a tiny window of time between the Declaration of Independence, and the abolition of slave trading and keeping in the two countries.
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 06, 2022, 11:32:45 AMWho tends your cotton and rice then?
Quote from: Clatty McCutcheon on August 06, 2022, 01:13:47 PMA lot of conflation of England/English with Britain/British here, which is a whole other discussion in itself, of course.
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