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Title: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Cursus on July 23, 2020, 09:33:21 PM
Oh, dear God. I thought Covid was bad enough:

(https://i.postimg.cc/zDwZms2Q/Gerva-life.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 23, 2020, 10:09:49 PM
Sadness behind the eyes.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 23, 2020, 10:15:16 PM
He's got a decanter there, beneath his awards.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on July 23, 2020, 10:17:46 PM
He'll just have to delete "(First Draft)" and it's good to go. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: DrGreggles on July 23, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
Oh, dear God. I thought Covid was bad enough:

(https://i.postimg.cc/zDwZms2Q/Gerva-life.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/53ZsRmd.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dead-ced-dead on July 23, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
Oh, dear God. I thought Covid was bad enough:

(https://i.postimg.cc/zDwZms2Q/Gerva-life.jpg)

Wait, has Ricky Gervais won any awards? He never mentions it, or strategically points his camera at them.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Cuellar on July 23, 2020, 10:47:30 PM
YES!!!!!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: batwings on July 23, 2020, 10:50:41 PM
Never seen After Life. Any good?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dr beat on July 23, 2020, 11:02:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/53ZsRmd.jpg)

We fear change.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Thomas on July 23, 2020, 11:25:02 PM
It should be said that while Fighting With My Family was a generic and cliche riddled sports/coming of age dramedy, it was a really, really good example of how to make cliches work. It had the right amount of laughs and air punching moments! While it's no classic, it is head and shoulders above After Life.

One thing my partner and I liked about Fighting with My Family was the juxtaposition of flashy Florida and tarmaccy Norwich. Enjoyed it. And an unexpected subject matter from Stephen Merchant. A slightly time-slipped wrestling biopic.

Gervais, meanwhile, continues to stun me. Whenever I see him pontificate for few seconds in an autoplaying Facebook video, positioned as a self-appointed Bertrand Russell of comedy, he reminds me of some of the amateur comics I know. Just the shallowest takes on offense and satire. Hours of drivel delivered with a philosophical air. Desperate to be one of the Incisive, Clever Comics - but one who also wrote Derek. Now there's a juxtaposition.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on July 23, 2020, 11:50:58 PM
Gervais is The Darkness of comedy. In that they were rock music for people who don't really like rock music. Or still are in a desolate fashion.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: evilcommiedictator on July 24, 2020, 12:04:08 AM
His entire house is now covered in his spunk after thinking how many people he's annoyed with that picture
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2020, 12:05:44 AM
i kinda hope all his awards fall on his silly little black tshirt-clad bod and he is trapped and cant reach his iphone so starves and dies

but then, i am a woke triggered lib snowflake
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Thomas on July 24, 2020, 12:09:46 AM
His entire house is now covered in his spunk after thinking how many people he's annoyed with that picture

That's one of the ways he reminds me of people I know. One person in particular likes to write inane 'edgy' posts, and then comments underneath 'wonder how many people I'll offend/annoy with this one'.

Invariably it is none.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: The Lurker on July 24, 2020, 12:34:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TPGMN8C.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: idunnosomename on July 24, 2020, 01:16:30 AM
with everything that's going on, i forgot about that fucking bullshit. cheers
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: DJ Bob Hoskins on July 24, 2020, 01:21:47 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/rM38Skf/Brockman.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Armin Meiwes on July 24, 2020, 11:05:54 AM
Got to say I thought Fighting with my Family was pretty rubbish, Hello Ladies was more enjoyable than Gervais has ever done on his own tho tbf.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Hat FM on July 24, 2020, 12:21:55 PM
at what point next week is season 3 going to be on Netflix then?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Armin Meiwes on July 24, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
Double post
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on July 24, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
Not Derke series 3, not interesteds.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 24, 2020, 08:07:20 PM
(First Draft). Yeah, Rick, as if you're going to put any more work into it than that.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: QDRPHNC on July 24, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
He should be celebrating the end of the final draft, but he's so excited he can't wait the extra day.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Jumblegraws on July 24, 2020, 09:33:50 PM
Gervais is The Darkness of comedy. In that they were rock music for people who don't really like rock music. Or still are in a desolate fashion.
Gervais referred to The Darkness as the best band going in one of the XFM shows.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Hand Solo on July 24, 2020, 09:59:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TPGMN8C.jpg)

Did nobody send that un-Godliman video to Captain D (https://www.youtube.com/c/CaptainDisillusion/) for further analysis, then?

(First Draft). Yeah, Rick, as if you're going to put any more work into it than that.

Actually, he needs his top-notch Script Supervisor to look over it and give him those all-important notes before he can hand over the final draft:

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/2fa/b6d/93cc4b84ab3e4b3387cd6656a01ab015bc-26-clippy.rsquare.w700.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: samadriel on July 25, 2020, 02:31:45 AM
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/2fa/b6d/93cc4b84ab3e4b3387cd6656a01ab015bc-26-clippy.rsquare.w700.jpg)
It looks like you're trying to write maudlin, pandering shite!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Noodle Lizard on July 25, 2020, 04:31:50 AM
All this is evidence of is that he's managed to type up and print a title page for a script all by himself.

EDIT: actually he might have had help with it for all we know.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Mr Farenheit on July 25, 2020, 06:38:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/80rRNua.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: idunnosomename on July 25, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
Hahaha. Took me a while to work out what youd replaced the rewards with until I zoomed in
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Mr Farenheit on July 25, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
Hahaha. Took me a while to work out what youd replaced the rewards with until I zoomed in
Ah yeah, did a last minute edit to put in some text- thought they might be hard recognise.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on July 25, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
Hahaha christ

Oh for fucks sake that would start a new page wouldn't it may as well just leave the forum
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Hand Solo on July 25, 2020, 12:20:27 PM
All this is evidence of is that he's managed to type up and print a title page for a script all by himself.

I imagine this is what he sent to Netflix to prove he was diligently doing his homework, a title page saying 'first draft' when he's really been drinking wine and abusing Twitter and Youtube funny animal videos all day and written nothing. What, me, Ricky Gervais - with all my awards in the background? How dare you question my ability to write or prove to you I can knock-out a half-arsed script to a deadline - look, here's the title page, with my name - Ricky Gervais - on it and everything. He knows nobody will call him on it. I bet the regular occurrence is he waits until the night before the deadline then writes the whole series in one desperate flurry like at school. If the word count is under he just appropriately fills up the quota with the word cunt.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on July 25, 2020, 01:37:13 PM
I think I might have asked this in the last thread but has he done any singing in this programme yet?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 25, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
I think I might have asked this in the last thread but has he done any singing in this programme yet?

Only “ironically”. Like the “ironic” record he put out, with the “ironic” tour with one of the Gallaghers and the “ironic” songbook with chords for people to “ironically” learn the “ironic” music.

...yeah? So... it’s ironic. Deffo not serious. So if people don’t like it, that’s fine.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Seedsy on July 25, 2020, 02:07:24 PM
I actually seccumbed and watched afterlife series 2, genuinely appalling stuff. I'll start with this one tho, the suicide attempt. Saved by the dog, fucking  emotionally manipulative guff. I'd go as far as saying that was the most pointless fucking series ever, nothing changed whatsoever. The first series was passable I have to say, passable Hense why I only watched the second series this week, and I've been fucking shielding for 3 and a half months. First series I thought he did seem like a guy who was living his life like he actually didn't give a flying fuck. He was still a cunt tho to genuinely nice people.

This series Because he took folk out for coffee, and was morbidly depressed instead of modbidly angry.  I can't believe even Gervais, would think this is passable.
I won't even blabber on about the Paul kaye shrink. A turbo shit finchy.
The camp theatre director, just basically a shitter version of bunny from extras.
Is the scruffy inappropriate bloke actually the same scruffy inappropriate bloke from Derek. It's the same character!!
The grave scenes were frankly embarrassing.

Sorry rant over. I'm not on any social media, I've been wanting to vent since I've seen this pile of shit.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
I like to think it's a prequel to Derek. It's the only way it works in my mind.
 
Angry --> Depressed --> Kind.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Armin Meiwes on July 25, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Is it a good hate watch though.. or just rubbish? First series was just boring and shit and I shouldn't have bothered, would love it if he could hit the heights of Derek again.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on July 25, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
It's not really a good hate watch. Even if you really try. It's just poor quality nothing. When the twitter post was put up on here it occurred to me that there's nothing really memorable about any of it. It took me ages to remember what the ending was. There's loads you can take issue with but it's just not worth it.

Better use of your time would be for man to watch Phone Shop and get on over to that thread.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 04:40:00 PM
Is it a good hate watch though.. or just rubbish? First series was just boring and shit and I shouldn't have bothered, would love it if he could hit the heights of Derek again.

It's so fucking transparent and dull. And it always had Gervais explaining things - some characters are utterly pointless, seemingly only placed in to have a 'scene' in which Gervais is a cunt with them / nice with them (which shows character development). Some characters are grounded and others are cartoonish, so it doesn't work.
One of the characters is called 'The Nonce' because he once had sex with a child-sized Dwarf.

His character is supposed to be an alcoholic - so there's usually a scene in which he's drinking a bottle of red wine. Imagine that! A whole bottle. Sometimes not even a whole bottle.

Derek is better.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 04:41:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wwTgttb.png)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Hand Solo on July 25, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
Take that Spike Milligan, having a manic-depressive breakdown while producing an entire script full of innovative concept-defining jokes, vetting it, rehearsing it and performing it to broadcast live within the week, every week. Where are your awards, twitter followers and Netflix deals? You stupid dead cunt.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on July 25, 2020, 10:30:59 PM
One of the characters is called 'The Nonce' because he once had sex with a child-sized Dwarf.

Oh for fuck's sake
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: phes on July 25, 2020, 10:39:47 PM
Derek is better.

Derek is magnificent. It's like a celebrity perfume if the celebrity actually made it
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Noodle Lizard on July 25, 2020, 10:51:59 PM
It's not really a good hate watch. Even if you really try. It's just poor quality nothing. When the twitter post was put up on here it occurred to me that there's nothing really memorable about any of it. It took me ages to remember what the ending was. There's loads you can take issue with but it's just not worth it.

That's kind of where I ended up on it. It wasn't as brazenly bizarre and awful as Derek, which really does reach Wiseau-esque levels of incompetency at times - it was just tedious and lazy. I couldn't even pay attention to the second series for more than a few minutes at a time, whereas I think I've watched Derek three times through out of sheer wonderment.

There was a bit of a Red Button/ARG aspect to Derek at the time as well, as the confluence between the activity of Gervais online/in the press vs. the actual quality of the show was every bit as fascinating as actually watching the thing, and it contextualised a lot of the more inane elements therein. Conversely, After Life is exactly what you'd expect it to be: just dull.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 10:53:53 PM
Oh for fuck's sake

Not even kidding.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8398600/characters/nm1502204

Dwarves are funny though in Ricky's world. Because they're small.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 10:54:39 PM
Derek is magnificent. It's like a celebrity perfume if the celebrity actually made it

You know, I've only seen a few episodes but I've caught a lot of the magnificent CAB thread. I think I might watch a few tonight to absorb the magic. I have yet to see the grief dog.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Noodle Lizard on July 25, 2020, 10:59:18 PM
You know, I've only seen a few episodes but I've caught a lot of the magnificent CAB thread. I think I might watch a few tonight to absorb the magic. I have yet to see the grief dog.

I'd highly recommend finding the corresponding discussion for each episode in the thread(s) as you go through it. CaB and Pilkipedia were both delightful during a Derek airing.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
I'd highly recommend finding the corresponding discussion for each episode in the thread(s) as you go through it. CaB and Pilkipedia were both delightful during a Derek airing.

I've only just discovered Pilikipedia, but what was the reaction there? Is it a fan-site? If so, I assume it was a favourable response to Derek? Contrasted with our own?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Bronzy on July 25, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
I've only just discovered Pilikipedia, but what was the reaction there? Is it a fan-site? If so, I assume it was a favourable response to Derek? Contrasted with our own?

Definitely not, while they did indeed start as a fan-site for Ricky, Steve and Karl, they gradually began to dislike Ricky more and more once his true arsehole personality started to come to light on Twitter, which (IIRC) was around the time that Life's Too Short came out. By the time Derek aired I'm pretty sure there was an almost universal hatred of him, and the few that did still like him soon waned when his antics on and off the show became too embarrassing.

They still seem to really like Steve and Karl, which is nice.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Kryton on July 25, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
Definitely not, while they did indeed start as a fan-site for Ricky, Steve and Karl, they gradually began to dislike Ricky more and more once his true arsehole personality started to come to light on Twitter, which (IIRC) was around the time that Life's Too Short came out. By the time Derek aired I'm pretty sure there was an almost universal hatred of him, and the few that did still like him soon waned when his antics on and off the show became too embarrassing.

They still seem to really like Steve and Karl, which is nice.

Brilliant. I'll get stuck in soon.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Bronzy on July 25, 2020, 11:26:06 PM
Brilliant. I'll get stuck in soon.

The best part in the Pilkipedia thread is the initial belief amongst many that it would be far better than LTS, and then the gradual realisation setting it when it first airs.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Noodle Lizard on July 25, 2020, 11:37:00 PM
I've only just discovered Pilikipedia, but what was the reaction there? Is it a fan-site? If so, I assume it was a favourable response to Derek? Contrasted with our own?

Like Bronzy said, the Pilkipedia reaction was equally vitriolic to CaB’s, to the point where the two streams crossed quite often. The fact that Pilkipedia was, ostensibly, a Gervais fansite makes it all the more easy to accept that Derek was, objectively, fucking awful.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Gulftastic on July 29, 2020, 09:43:32 AM
No emmy noms. I bet he's already bitching on Twitter and pretending not to care.
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Post by: Armin Meiwes on July 29, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
Haha just had a look and yep! Although it's ok because he did get nominated for one for his golden globes thing so he's not too angry. Don't follow him on Twitter so hardly ever see his tweets but is he legal obliged to say "best fans in the world" at least once a day. EVERY time I've ever clicked on him he's said it within the last 3 or 4 tweets.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: idunnosomename on July 29, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wwTgttb.png)
looks like hes been decapitated
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: frajer on July 29, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Guillotined and yet he writes on. It'd explain his 2010s output.

Severed heads, right. Blinking for hours after the fact yeah? Impressive on paper, sure, but how many Golden Globes have they won? *tries to look at camera but eyes plop out*
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on July 29, 2020, 12:36:20 PM
After Life received no Emmy nominations this year, but don't worry, Are Ricky's not bitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1288156812416557059
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dead-ced-dead on July 29, 2020, 01:07:34 PM
After Life received no Emmy nominations this year, but don't worry, Are Ricky's not bitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1288156812416557059

Boomers are obsessed with pedophiles.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: idunnosomename on July 29, 2020, 01:45:47 PM
I dont understand how he has 14m followers when all he does is retweet cloying praise of his own shows. I supose he could have 28m if he wasnt so annoying
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Cuellar on July 29, 2020, 01:52:42 PM
Well, Graham Linehan had 600k which has translated into almost 3k youtube subscribers.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 29, 2020, 01:59:04 PM
Apparently I'm blocked by @rickygervais on Twitter? I will no longer get to enjoy the once-every-year viewing of his delightful "jokes" about how good he is.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: SavageHedgehog on July 29, 2020, 03:47:39 PM
Wait, Awards Shows get awarded at other Awards Shows?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dead-ced-dead on July 29, 2020, 03:56:32 PM
Wait, Awards Shows get awarded at other Awards Shows?

There are categories for Variety Shows, which the Golden Globes fall under. These also include charity events and anything or live sketch comedy varieties.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dissolute ocelot on July 29, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
There are categories for Variety Shows, which the Golden Globes fall under. These also include charity events and anything or live sketch comedy varieties.
I was wondering why they don't just give the best awards show Emmy to last year's Emmys, every year.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on July 29, 2020, 05:00:01 PM
"I'm genuinely a bit scared that Ricky could be "suicided", if he keeps speaking the truth"

Absolute shit. His "truth-speaking" is empty, performative guff, half-heartedly repeating things braver people than him have pushed, not because he cares but just because he wants to be seen as an edgy outsider.

God I hope the guy they keep inviting back to host the Golden Globes doesn't get suicided for his dangerous opinions!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Cuellar on July 29, 2020, 06:13:19 PM
First they murder the opinion, then they murder the man
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: idunnosomename on July 29, 2020, 06:29:34 PM
Then they kill his dog >:(
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Noodle Lizard on July 29, 2020, 07:44:53 PM
I follow the r/conspiracy subreddit (guilty pleasure) and they were all going on about how Gervais was something of a whistleblower who was going to be bodied as well - for making jokes that any twat in a pub who reads the Daily Mail would be able to make.

If only they knew how Derek was more bizarre than any theory they might concoct - and that actually happened!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on July 29, 2020, 07:55:46 PM
Derek would actually make more sense if it turned out to be a way to send coded messages about the actions of the New World Order
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 29, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
Derek would actually make more sense if it turned out to be a way to send coded messages about the actions of the New World Order

I pity the NWO for having to sit through the whole thing.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Annie Labuntur on August 13, 2020, 11:52:54 PM
I've just read an article from a few days ago where Ricky says that the dog Brandy (real name Anti) is likely to retire when Series 3 ends.
Quote from: Ricky Genius
Both seasons when I was saying goodbye to the crew, when I have to say bye to Anti, that's when I well up because I'm thinking, 'She doesn't know why she's not going to see me for a year'.
Such a strange way to put it, and I don't think he was joking.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dead-ced-dead on August 14, 2020, 12:07:14 AM
I've just read an article from a few days ago where Ricky says that the dog Brandy (real name Anti) is likely to retire when Series 3 ends.Such a strange way to put it, and I don't think he was joking.

So we'll start to see Ricky's character watching endless clips of his dog on his ipad.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Annie Labuntur on August 14, 2020, 12:12:58 AM
He promises in the interview that the dog won't die in series 3.

Nothing wrong with him getting upset at the prospect of not seeing the dog for a year - it's that he thinks the dog is confused and upset at the thought of not seeing him for a year. I dunno, maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: jobotic on August 14, 2020, 03:10:06 PM
That the dog is capable of understanding that it won't see someone for a year. Or what a year is.

Does he really think that or is it just some words that he thinks makes him sound good?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Thomas on August 14, 2020, 03:13:40 PM
The dog is going to get suicided by Golden Globes.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: mjwilson on August 15, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
He promises in the interview that the dog won't die in series 3.

Nothing wrong with him getting upset at the prospect of not seeing the dog for a year - it's that he thinks the dog is confused and upset at the thought of not seeing him for a year. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

I'm with you, it seems narcissistic even for Gervais.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on August 15, 2020, 01:18:59 PM
It's probably thinking "I hope that fat cunt Tony's finally done himself in".
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Rolf Lundgren on August 15, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
If he's that upset, he can go and visit it. I mean, it's a dog.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 15, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
But that would ruin his heartwarming story about how much the dog must miss him.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: frajer on August 15, 2020, 07:04:38 PM
Dog (VO): “This cunt again.”
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on August 15, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Another whine, but the doggy sound design in this really pisses me off. A dog whine dubbed on whenever Tony is feeling sad. Dogs don't whine that predictably, they're more likely to whine when they're bored, or they're nervous, or when you haven't given them any attention for five whole minutes. When a dog senses a human is feeling sad they'll just nuzzle you or sit on your feet and look after you a bit.

I love dogs. Ricky, stop getting dogs wrong.
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Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on August 15, 2020, 08:03:39 PM
Ricky presumably knows that, but he doesn't give a shit about verisimilitude. Were such a thing possible, he'd teach the dog to cry on cue.

I've actually got a lot of respect, bordering on envy, for that dog. He neither knows nor cares that he's in a terrible TV show; as far as he's concerned, all he has to do for a few weeks each year is turn up and mooch about with some bloke for a bit. He'll be treated well and his owners will be handsomely rewarded, thus allowing them to buy him lots of nice food and toys.

He's emerged from the whole ordeal with his dignity and wellbeing intact. Good for him.
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Post by: olliebean on August 15, 2020, 09:58:28 PM
If he's that upset, he can go and visit it. I mean, it's a dog.

Perhaps the owner won't let him visit because they don't want their dog being locked in a wardrobe or wrapped up with duck tape.
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Post by: frajer on August 15, 2020, 10:03:47 PM
Dogs also have highly sensitive hearing, which makes the Rickster’s laugh a canine war crime.
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Post by: Hand Solo on August 15, 2020, 10:20:45 PM
Ricky presumably knows that, but he doesn't give a shit about verisimilitude. Were such a thing possible, he'd teach the dog to cry on cue.

I doubt it, the chubby funster has only ever had cats, hasn't he? He or Jane obviously don't really like dogs.

I think he only put a dog in because he knows cats wouldn't give a fuck if he was suicidal, and wouldn't simper to him on cue.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: toetoe on September 10, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
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Answering questions submitted by his followers, and covering topics ranging from hypnosis to television guest appearances, Gervais also revealed that he would be most inclined to revive Derek for a further special, out of all his previous TV series.

The comedy drama, originally broadcast by Channel 4, followed the staff and residents(?) of an old-age care home, focusing on "tender, innocent" care worker Derek Noakes.

He questioned the relevance of a further The Office revival in a post-lockdown, working-from-home world, and dismissed the notion of revisiting "a 60-year-old Andy Millman" from Extras, but explained: "Derek, I could see. I won't do any of them(Ed:Lies, did the Office, but that didn't work), but if I had to choose - if someone put a gun to my head and said 'You've got to do another special' - it would be Derek. Because it's a contained world, it's really sweet, it's ongoing, things don't change and I think I miss him as a character most. So Derek."

https://www.comedy.co.uk/online/news/5931/more-ricky-gervais-shows-on-netflix/
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Post by: frajer on September 10, 2020, 12:32:37 PM
"Things don't change" in the world of Derek.

No shit, it's a cartoon.
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Post by: There Be Rumblings on September 10, 2020, 01:43:48 PM
Yes, it’s lucky that nothing of note has happened to affect any care homes in, say, the last six months. Just business as usual in their ‘contained world’.
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Post by: dead-ced-dead on September 10, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
Yes, it’s lucky that nothing of note has happened to affect any care homes in, say, the last six months. Just business as usual in their ‘contained world’.

Are you saying that Ricky Gervais, the only celebrity who "tells-it-like-it-is," the Hollywood soothsayer, the only celebrity who hates celebrity lifestyle (despite him talking about/and posing in front of his awards would suggest) is out of touch?
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Post by: Cursus on September 10, 2020, 03:25:45 PM
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it's really sweet, ... and I think I miss him as a character most.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/ad/0e/66ad0ea677d3b650a7725e447e1f3840.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: There Be Rumblings on September 10, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
Are you saying that Ricky Gervais, the only celebrity who "tells-it-like-it-is," the Hollywood soothsayer, the only celebrity who hates celebrity lifestyle (despite him talking about/and posing in front of his awards would suggest) is out of touch?

The irony is that in a world of Covid there is actually a potentially powerful emotional angle there for the character that he has created. A simple, sweet man with an innocent worldview/ learning difficulties, whose closest friends are all elderly and in care, coming to terms with the way this quiet world has suddenly been turned upside-down, trying in vain to protect his friends while having to deal with a heightened sense of fear, helplessness, loss... in the right hands that could be genuinely involving.

But he won't do that, because it would involve a) awareness, b) effort and c) being able to write.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Thomas on September 10, 2020, 04:32:43 PM
It would also have the character Derek in it.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: chveik on September 10, 2020, 05:04:10 PM
I really hope he does a special though.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on September 10, 2020, 07:13:29 PM
Kev tells Derek that the only way to cure COVID is to cough in the faces of the residents. Hannah watches on with a wry grin as he bends over and hacks germs onto the face of a nameless elderly woman, who chuckles and thanks him.
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Post by: Noodle Lizard on September 10, 2020, 07:15:19 PM
Oh fuck please let there be a Derek COVID-19 Special. C'mon Ricky don't be lazy it writes itself.
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Post by: BritishHobo on September 10, 2020, 07:22:27 PM
Kev switches all the hand sanitiser for vodka and then pranks Derek by telling him you can become immune to COVID-19 if you drink a whole bottle. Much laughter abounds as a fucked-off-his-face Derek stumbles into the caravan at the end of the night and throws up all over Kev's fat girlfriend's big fat gross fat vagina!!!! Urgh god she's so fat it's horrible, I'd be sick as well!!!! Kindness is magic
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Post by: TommyTurnips on September 11, 2020, 12:14:50 AM
It is revealed in the last 15 minutes of the special that Kev had a talent for building ventilators out of old dildos and butt plugs that he finds in skips. Derek's most favouriteist old person is saved by the marital aid powered miracle. Something about a covid grief dog.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: H-O-W-L on September 11, 2020, 01:47:16 AM
Derek sobs in an empty care home for 45 minutes. Go on, Gervais. Have the balls.
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Post by: Dog Botherer on September 11, 2020, 01:47:28 AM
merchant navy’s boat gets riddled with covid, DIED
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Post by: FerriswheelBueller on September 11, 2020, 02:01:24 AM
merchant navy’s boat gets riddled with covid, DIED

Think he’s a bit too savvy to get involved mate
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Post by: dissolute ocelot on September 11, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
Why isn't Ricky doing COVID informational films. Derek showing the correct way to interact with relatives through glass windows, that kind of thing? Surely Ricky would be self-important enough to do it if he was asked. Or is he too busy writing?
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Post by: frajer on September 11, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
COVID was invented by his bezzie mate Science, so he's secretly fucking loving its rampage across the planet.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Dog Botherer on September 11, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Think he’s a bit too savvy to get involved mate

turns out i didn’t actually know what the merchant navy was
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: notjosh on October 01, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Unprecedented, surely.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjEDRTuXkAYo2IU.jpg)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: QDRPHNC on October 01, 2020, 02:14:36 PM
Ricky is a living life lesson.

You can all the money, all the fame, all the awards, all the sycophants, but it won't make you happy deep down.
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Post by: phes on October 01, 2020, 10:57:22 PM
When's this out then?

Given the current situation in itching for another instructional guide from a clueless millionaire bellend about how to feel about learning disabilities or breast cancer
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Twonty Gostelow on December 22, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
He re-tweeted this from the After Life fans account for some reason. I can't tell if he's being ironic, or trolling, or mad.

(https://i.imgur.com/CGFLntf.png)

https://twitter.com/AfterLife_Fans/status/1339660536947064832

Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on December 22, 2020, 03:56:46 PM
“The most watched British sitcom in the world”?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Mr Farenheit on December 22, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
“The most watched British sitcom in the world”?
Again!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on December 23, 2020, 09:08:53 AM
“The most watched British sitcom in the world”?

People conveniently forget that loads of shit things are popular when it suits them
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: phes on December 23, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
Bracing myself for another round of colleagues in my new workplace (social care) loving this. I really like my little team and have no interest in being that guy who shits on something they enjoy. Best case scenario is that it's... good (haha) or that someone hates it and I can have secret slagging seshes. Really hope it's topical and that we get three hours of Tony in lockdown taking to himself and bullying people on houseparty
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on December 23, 2020, 10:06:56 AM
Bracing myself for another round of colleagues in my new workplace (social care) loving this. I really like my little team and have no interest in being that guy who shits on something they enjoy. Best case scenario is that it's... good (haha) or that someone hates it and I can have secret slagging seshes. Really hope it's topical and that we get three hours of Tony in lockdown taking to himself and bullying people on houseparty

Did Gervais have any particular stance on Covid? I am only really aware of him these days from mentions on here and if he pops up on something like The One Show and it's on The The One Show Show podcast.

I really hope he had some denier/herd immunity/ so what if people die thing going on because it could be Derek levels of Gold in its execution. Sadly, I think this will just be as dull and self-satisfying as the other attempts.

I forget this even exists; I never forget Derek exists. Please do more like Derek.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: phes on December 23, 2020, 10:43:08 AM
Not sure really, his Twitter stopped being entertaining/fascinating long ago when it properly became marketing. At some point Gervais went so far up his own arse and got so far out of step with the outside world that he ceased to be fascinatingly awful and became boring and irrellevent. Very, very brief toe-dipping into gender stuff around the time that glinner got shitcanned, and his relative quietness on other current stuff suggests to me he's taken advice and probably not going anywhere that could get him cancelled while the money is pouring in.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Utter Shit on December 23, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
Never watched this beyond the first episode as it seemed quite shit, but the outtakes are brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgkafpLSB4k
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Post by: ArtParrott on December 23, 2020, 11:24:25 AM
KRIBZ 45
7 months ago
Funniest outtakes ever, definitely up there with the Derek outtakes 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: Rich Uncle Skeleton on December 23, 2020, 01:43:43 PM
Bracing myself for another round of colleagues in my new workplace (social care) loving this. I really like my little team and have no interest in being that guy who shits on something they enjoy.

If the programme's taught us anything, you being the work misery guts will inexplicably result in them saying you're the nicest guy in the world etc. Fill your boots!
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Post by: QDRPHNC on December 23, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
People conveniently forget that loads of shit things are popular when it suits them

How do you measure that, though?

Has Afterlife been seen more  (worldwide) than Monty Python, Fawlty Towers? The original Office, even?
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Post by: lankyguy95 on December 23, 2020, 03:18:16 PM
KRIBZ 45
7 months ago
Funniest outtakes ever, definitely up there with the Derek outtakes 🤣🤣🤣
Absolute desolation.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on December 23, 2020, 03:51:27 PM
How do you measure that, though?

Has Afterlife been seen more  (worldwide) than Monty Python, Fawlty Towers? The original Office, even?

You might be replying to the "most watched in the world" thing rather than my comment - I was just being flippant for the sake of it to say popular doesn't mean good. Green Door was the biggest selling single of 1981, I think. I like This Old House though.

I agree completely though - it's meaningless. It's something to parrot, I suppose. Is often more persuasive than an argument about merits.
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Post by: petrilTanaka on December 23, 2020, 04:18:28 PM
if we're arguing about most watched in the world, then he's never going to beat Carole Hersee and Bubbles, is he?

ul Ricky, still losing hard
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: olliebean on December 23, 2020, 05:44:42 PM
Presumably it's "most watched in the world" not of all time, but just in the particular period when a lot of people were watching it. Most watched of that year, perhaps. (Or maybe even just most watched on Netflix.)
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Post by: Noodle Lizard on December 23, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
Presumably it's "most watched in the world" not of all time, but just in the particular period when a lot of people were watching it. Most watched of that year, perhaps. (Or maybe even just most watched on Netflix.)

Even then, it’s hard to believe. Must be some pretty creative interpretation of figures going on there.. Perhaps it was the most-watched British sitcom in the world on the day it was released? Nah, even that’s hard to believe.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: olliebean on December 23, 2020, 08:20:28 PM
The source seems to be a twitter fan account called @gervaistrivia which posted that series 1 was the most watched British-made comedy of 2019 (in August 2019). It also posted that Humanity was the most watched stand-up special of 2018, which I find even more difficult to believe (unless they're counting people who, like me, watched the first 10 minutes, thought "fuck this, it's shit," and turned it off).
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: all male israel on December 27, 2020, 11:49:16 PM
People conveniently forget that loads of shit things are popular when it suits them
he's the kind of cunt who'd roll out "argumentum ad populum" in an argument about god or something, definitely done it before
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 28, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
Replying to criticism with "My bank manager disagrees!" or whatever seems so curiously old-fashioned. Who actually talks to their bank managers these days? It sounds like something a Monty Python or Dad's Army character might say. Also his constant retweeting of @gervaistrivia is fucking weird.

Anyway, I rewatched David Brent: Life On The Road the other day. I always considered that film a bit of a guilty pleasure but now have to admit that it's better than that, I was reminded that it's actually pretty good and I enjoy it in a completely non-ironic way. The David Brent of that film is self-aware and vulnerable and a bit pathetic and you do feel a bit sorry for him. He's a world away from Tony Johnson, the smartarse know-it-all of After Life.

I was also interested to note that it features Nina Sosanya (SugaRape's receptionist in Nathan Barley) in a realistic portrayal of a mental health professional, and that her character is a million miles away from the sleazy and rapey caricature of an unethical therapist played by Paul Kaye in After Life.

I'm struggling to believe it was made in 2016. The gulf in quality between DB:LOTR and After Life is immense. How has Gervais fallen that far that fast?
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Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on December 28, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
Did you also like the way his band mates, who clearly don't like him in the slightest and regard him as an embarrassment all decide what a great bunch of lads he is at the end of the film  FOR NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL?
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Post by: Blue Jam on December 28, 2020, 12:56:02 PM
I like the way the studio engineer decides he's been a bit harsh on Brent and starts to feel a bit sorry for him. You're right, it's not a great film by any means, it's not a patch on The Office, but I find it a lot more enjoyable that After Life, which is really just lazily-written and a waste of a good cast and just a bit dull. Seeing it was made in 2016 made me wonder if he does still have a decent sitcom in him, and if we'd get to see it if he wasn't surrounded by sycophants and people too scared to give him some constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: QDRPHNC on December 28, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Could be something to do with the fact that the foundations of the character were already in place, whereas Gervais coming up with his own from scratch leads us to Derek.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: lankyguy95 on December 28, 2020, 01:36:39 PM
Rewatched an episode of Derek the other day. The one where his dog dies. Fuck me.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 28, 2020, 01:48:13 PM
Could be something to do with the fact that the foundations of the character were already in place, whereas Gervais coming up with his own from scratch leads us to Derek.

I was going to say "Yes, plus the fact that he had a co-writer" but it looks like the David Brent film was a solo effort. I think you're right then, he was building on a character that was originally a joint effort and already fully realised.

After Life is jarringly unrealistic at times and Derek is just plain bizarre. Yep, I think you've hit the nail on the head here, it may be that David Brent works because Gervais had Stephen Merchant to reign him in and he then realised he had a winning formula and shouldn't stray too far from it.

It could also be that, even though Gervais is more than a little Brent-like, playing him might feel more like playing a fictional character than playing Tony from After Life, who is essentially Gervais's Twitter persona. I wonder if he's even acting when he's playing Tony. Not only does the character of Tony Johnson look and sound like The Actor Ricky Gervais, he holds all the same beliefs and opinions and even dresses like him.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: mr. logic on December 28, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
I honestly thought the Brent film was shockingly awful. After Life was possibly better, maybe.
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Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on December 28, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
I think Gervais should do a new series of Derek where the title character undergoes some procedure that makes him intelligent. 
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: lankyguy95 on December 28, 2020, 02:20:41 PM
I honestly thought the Brent film was shockingly awful. After Life was possibly better, maybe.
I thought it was largely boring, and then turned shit with the thoroughly unearned 'emotional' ending.
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Post by: Bernice on December 28, 2020, 02:35:47 PM
I think Gervais should do a new series of Derek where the title character undergoes some procedure that makes him intelligent.

flowres for derke
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 28, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
flowres for derke

It's Always Sunny got there first.

Would love to see a Derke Xmas special where Derke prays to God to make him clever then he discovers cures for dementia, alcoholism and being a pervert and helps out all his friends. And then Clever Derke realises there is no God and it was all a dream and he's back where he belongs, with his friends, just the way they were. Kindness is magic.
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Post by: Blue Jam on December 28, 2020, 03:32:33 PM
Gervais doing sci-fi would be the worst thing ever wouldn't it.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on December 28, 2020, 03:38:50 PM
flowres for derke

Actually an Alger-non-starter.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Junket Pumper on December 28, 2020, 10:45:22 PM
I can't stand Gervais or his stand-up so I  haven't seen the routine referenced, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was lazy and transphobic, but is Frankie 'why do people with Downs Syndrome all dress the same' Boyle really in a position to attack other comedians for lazy bigotry?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqVkoQeW4AEKd8b?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: lankyguy95 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:01 PM
Has Boyle ever apologised for his bit about Harvey Price wanting to rape his mother?

That's a genuine question.
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Post by: Twonty Gostelow on December 28, 2020, 11:36:33 PM
I can't stand Gervais or his stand-up so I  haven't seen the routine referenced, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was lazy and transphobic, but is Frankie 'why do people with Downs Syndrome all dress the same' Boyle really in a position to attack other comedians for lazy bigotry?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqVkoQeW4AEKd8b?format=jpg&name=small)

Which Sun-columnist Boyle defended by saying he wrote the joke with a friend who has brittle bone disease - yes, really.

Let's not forget ‘Why are they called Sunshine Variety coaches when all the kids on them look the fucking same?’  That one was Jimmy Carr, the tax-shy automaton who socialises with Princess Beatrice and went on holiday with her to the Caribbean.

Too many left-wing comedians, yeah.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Menu on December 29, 2020, 12:26:20 AM
I can't stand Gervais or his stand-up so I  haven't seen the routine referenced, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was lazy and transphobic, but is Frankie 'why do people with Downs Syndrome all dress the same' Boyle really in a position to attack other comedians for lazy bigotry?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqVkoQeW4AEKd8b?format=jpg&name=small)

Yes, I can't see how Boyle could possibly justify this if it was put to him. You either accept - as Gervais does and as I thought Boyle did - that you can make jokes about EVERYTHING or you don't. You can't pick and choose, and you certainly can't start moralising about other comedians' decisions. Apparently this was on Louis Theroux's podcast. I wonder if Louis put this obvious point to him. It's disappointing because I fund Frankie Boyle funny. I'd find him less funny if there was some sort of dreary moralising hypocrite under the surface.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: madhair60 on December 29, 2020, 12:30:24 AM
You either accept - as Gervais does and as I thought Boyle did - that you can make jokes about EVERYTHING or you don't.

Eh? Hang on, eh, mate? Hang on. Making jokes about some things, but not others - there's a massive spectrum there. For example, you can make jokes about say, nine things, but say there's a couple of things that are just a bit hmm, dunno. Or what if the jokes are bad, like all of Ricky's? What then?

Slippery slope, this making jokes about everything lark. Should we all not just agree that you probably shouldn't make jokes about everything? That seems the most reasonable way forward.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Bronzy on December 29, 2020, 12:32:23 AM
Yes, I can't see how Boyle could possibly justify this if it was put to him. You either accept - as Gervais does and as I thought Boyle did - that you can make jokes about EVERYTHING or you don't. You can't pick and choose, and you certainly can't start moralising about other comedians' decisions. Apparently this was on Louis Theroux's podcast. I wonder if Louis put this obvious point to him. It's disappointing because I fund Frankie Boyle funny. I'd find him less funny if there was some sort of dreary moralising hypocrite under the surface.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/xLsaBMK6Mg8DK/200.gif)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Menu on December 29, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
Eh? Hang on, eh, mate? Hang on. Making jokes about some things, but not others - there's a massive spectrum there. For example, you can make jokes about say, nine things, but say there's a couple of things that are just a bit hmm, dunno. Or what if the jokes are bad, like all of Ricky's? What then?

Slippery slope, this making jokes about everything lark. Should we all not just agree that you probably shouldn't make jokes about everything? That seems the most reasonable way forward.

You make good points. I withdraw.
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Post by: Menu on December 29, 2020, 12:52:34 AM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/xLsaBMK6Mg8DK/200.gif)

Bringo!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Jockice on December 29, 2020, 09:19:59 AM
Which Sun-columnist Boyle defended by saying he wrote the joke with a friend who has brittle bone disease - yes, really.

Let's not forget ‘Why are they called Sunshine Variety coaches when all the kids on them look the fucking same?’  That one was Jimmy Carr, the tax-shy automaton who socialises with Princess Beatrice and went on holiday with her to the Caribbean.

Too many left-wing comedians, yeah.

A few years ago a member of my family actually apologised to me for having a Jimmy Carr DVD in their house. But why should I give a toss? I'm not offended. The only thing that bugs me are that most disability/ginger hair/Scotland 'jokes' that people make are absolutely fucking shit. And I've put the word jokes in inverted commas because they usually are just insults. That's all. No punchline, nothing unexpected. Just insults.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: neardark on December 29, 2020, 11:07:05 AM
The amount of people on Twitter leaping to Ricky's defence is staggering. Comments like this:

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1343634363892817920?s=19

Feels like he's brainwashed half his followers into blind, cult-like worship
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: phes on December 29, 2020, 11:11:05 AM
The amount of people on Twitter leaping to Ricky's defence is staggering. Comments like this:

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1343634363892817920?s=19

Feels like he's brainwashed half his followers into blind, cult-like worship

twonks n gorps innit. it's exactly what he did, hard, for about a decade. just don't even go there
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: checkoutgirl on December 29, 2020, 11:35:00 AM
5 minutes on James Dreyfus's Twitter is a headspin. Seems to be on it a lot.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: neardark on December 29, 2020, 12:29:50 PM
5 minutes on James Dreyfus's Twitter is a headspin. Seems to be on it a lot.

And the first words on his Twitter bio are "No cultism." You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Jumblegraws on December 29, 2020, 01:11:26 PM
Boyle is in absolutely no position to criticise Gervais for using oppressed minorities as struts for cruel one-liners. Both have form in spinning lofty justifications for these sorts of jokes offstage, whilst conveniently ignoring the possibility that, more often than not, they aren’t stirring their audience into social-satirical insight, but are simply gratifying a repressed desire to bully. And that’s making what I consider to be a generous assumption that they don’t just concoct these liner notes after the fact.1. That said, on the specific issue of transphobia, Gervais’s offstage justification - that there’s a coterie of predatory men using acceptance of trans people as a means of accessing women-only spaces - is itself a transphobic talking point. So on this specific issue, I think Boyle doesn’t come across as a total hypocrite.

1I find it very hard to believe, for example, that Boyle’s infamous Harvey Price joke was based, per the claim he gave in a broadsheet interview, on a righteous distaste for her using her son as part of her media brand, a state of affairs that strikes me as 1) inevident 2) not worth commenting on even if true and 3) not captured in the joke, subtext or otherwise.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Phil_A on December 29, 2020, 01:22:06 PM
The amount of people on Twitter leaping to Ricky's defence is staggering. Comments like this:

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1343634363892817920?s=19

Feels like he's brainwashed half his followers into blind, cult-like worship

Yes, it's utterly bizarre and it's been going on for years. Criticise any aspect of Gervais almost anywhere with an open comments section and an army of defensive fanboys will materialise from nowhere and immediately pile on to defend their God King, guaranteed.
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Post by: Kankurette on December 29, 2020, 01:50:35 PM
Boyle is in absolutely no position to criticise Gervais for using oppressed minorities as struts for cruel one-liners. Both have form in spinning lofty justifications for these sorts of jokes offstage, whilst conveniently ignoring the possibility that, more often than not, they aren’t stirring their audience into social-satirical insight, but are simply gratifying a repressed desire to bully. And that’s making what I consider to be a generous assumption that they don’t just concoct these liner notes after the fact.1. That said, on the specific issue of transphobia, Gervais’s offstage justification - that there’s a coterie of predatory men using acceptance of trans people as a means of accessing women-only spaces - is itself a transphobic talking point. So on this specific issue, I think Boyle doesn’t come across as a total hypocrite.

1I find it very hard to believe, for example, that Boyle’s infamous Harvey Price joke was based, per the claim he gave in a broadsheet interview, on a righteous distaste for her using her son as part of her media brand, a state of affairs that strikes me as 1) inevident 2) not worth commenting on even if true and 3) not captured in the joke, subtext or otherwise.
Yeah, Gervais is a douchebag and he does have a lazy sense of humour, but Boyle isn't exactly great either.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 29, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
The only thing that bugs me are that most disability/ginger hair/Scotland 'jokes' that people make are absolutely fucking shit. And I've put the word jokes in inverted commas because they usually are just insults. That's all. No punchline, nothing unexpected. Just insults.

Ditto for all the Welsh "jokes" I've heard. Growing up on farms, having no electricity or running water, shagging sheep etc. They're not actually jokes, just lazy and insulting stereotypes.

Incidentally I watched the Christmas episode of House Of Fools on Christmas Day, the one with Reece Sheersmith as the racist Santa who chooses presents according to national stereotypes- ie, bringing pistols, ponchos and sombreros to children in Mexico. I thought that worked, a load of lazy stereotypes that made the racist the butt of the joke. Come to think of it it's like that famous scene in Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brNiTo_TbeQ) where Terry comes out with an insulting stereotype for every nation and can only think of "pornographic" for Denmark. Of course Bob is calling him out on it and the joke's on Terry because he's making himself look ignorant (and a bit of a perv).

I guess national stereotypes can work in jokes when the humour is punching up at the person making them, then.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 29, 2020, 02:25:54 PM
I remember when The Beastie Boys were on the same bill as The Prodigy at a festival and requested that they didn't play Smack My Bitch Up because it was offensive to women. The Prodigy told them to fuck off, and a number of journalists opined that it was a bit rich of them to accuse anyone of sexism when they used to write misogynistic lyrics and say misogynistic things in interviews and have go-go dancers on stage. Their response to that was essentially "But we were young then". Of course they were then called out for not giving The Prodge the benefit of the doubt Re: age.

Is Boyle really a hypocrite? Is it not possible for a person to make mistakes and reflect on them and grow up anymore?

Mind you if the older, wiser, woker Frankie Boyle is still writing for The S*n he can fuck right off.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Junket Pumper on December 29, 2020, 02:33:09 PM
I remember when The Beastie Boys were on the same bill as The Prodigy at a festival and requested that they didn't play Smack My Bitch Up because it was offensive to women. The Prodigy told them to fuck off, and a number of journalists opined that it was a bit rich of them to accuse anyone of sexism when they used to write misogynistic lyrics and say misogynistic things in interviews and have go-go dancers on stage. Their response to that was essentially "But we were young then". Of course they were then called out for not giving The Prodge the benefit of the doubt Re: age.

Is Boyle really a hypocrite? Is it not possible for a person to make mistakes and reflect on them and grow up anymore?

Mind you if the older, wiser, woker Frankie Boyle is still writing for The S*n he can fuck right off.

It is possible for someone to grow and change but has Boyle openly reflected and spoke about this? He's never said sorry for any of his more offensive material, so I don't believe he's gone on the journey you're claiming.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Jumblegraws on December 29, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
Is it not possible for a person to make mistakes and reflect on them and grow up anymore?
Absolutely, but Boyle says in the same session with Theroux that he doesn’t regret any of his jokes beyond the finer points of delivery. If he did a Sarah Silverman and said “the jokes I told were bad and the justifications I came up with to protect my progressive credentials were, in retrospect, defensively contrived” then accusations of hypocrisy would be weak. But he doesn’t do that, and repeats the the same sentiment he’s been spouting for years, namely that it’s intellectually dishonest to isolate a gag from a stand-up routine and interrogate it outside of that context. And yet that’s exactly what he does with Gervais’s Caitlyn Jenner bit. The fact that his assessment of Gervais’s transphobia is on the money doesn’t change that this is “do as I say, not as I do”.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on December 29, 2020, 02:42:28 PM
" Tramadol Nights" was 10 years ago, but  the Sadowitz- snaffling nauseating aftertaste of that abomination of a show, with its up to date , cutting edge " What If Yer Man From " Knight Rider" was actually just some mentally ill feller? " references still remain. The stuff he writes for " The Guardian" can occasionally be amusing, but all too often comes across as try- too-hard Ersatz Brookerese.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 29, 2020, 02:45:01 PM
I was asking rhetorical questions there, not making excuses for him, just to be clear.

I think there are genuine cases where someone has done offensive things when they were young and stupid and later shown genuine remorse and regret, and I'm not a big fan of people dredging up old tweets a person sent when they were 12 (for example) or looking for any excuse to accuse someone of hypocrisy. I'm not sure about Boyle though- I think he may have apologised for the Rebecca Adlington joke but that's it. I do enjoy a lot of his work but I'm no apologist for his earlier stuff.

Also I did find it very funny when he tried to call out Andrew Lawrence on Twitter during that time he went a bit UKIP, and Lawrence just replied with a mention of the Rebecca Adlington joke and Boyle had no comeback. Lawrence totally owned him there, I had to admit.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: pigamus on December 29, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
It is possible for someone to grow and change but has Boyle openly reflected and spoke about this? He's never said sorry for any of his more offensive material, so I don't believe he's gone on the journey you're claiming.

It always seemed to me a bit “I’m sorry if you feel you were upset”
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on December 29, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
If the lad himself is reading this, I'd be happy to propose a toast to him at this time of goodwill to all men, by raising a glass of fine, Malt Whiskey, or can of Special Brew or worrever to his good self, with a festive " Cheers"!

Go on, Frankie, have a drink- it's Christmas!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: pigamus on December 29, 2020, 02:53:42 PM
I don’t agree about his Guardian articles though. I thought they were superb.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 29, 2020, 02:55:35 PM
This one:

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewlawrence/status/527110826868875264

Looks like Boyle deleted the original tweet. Still no comeback.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: JaDanketies on December 29, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
Just because someone is a hypocrite does not mean they are wrong. It would be good for Boyle to have a Damascene conversion about taking the piss out of handicapped kids; for instance Matt Lucas has distanced himself from the punching down he used to do. However, Boyle does not seem to make edgelordy jokes any more and hasn't for years. It might be hard for some people to distance themselves from the dumb things they said 15 years ago, they might not want to seem weak.

James Dreyfus is merely a hardcore transphobe, hence his adamant support of fellow traveller Gervais. Who similarly made jokes about handicapped kids and is surely just as bad as Boyle ever was in this regard. James Dreyfus also called child-rape funder Chris Langham a genius (https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/481589668744798208).
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Junket Pumper on December 29, 2020, 03:02:45 PM
This one:

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewlawrence/status/527110826868875264

Looks like Boyle deleted the original tweet. Still no comeback.

Twitter says Boyle has 607 tweets, which means he's used a a tweet deleter that gets rid of everything at once, so it's not like he's deleted those tweets manually. I wonder if he's worried some of his dodgier tweets will be brought up to use against him
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Blue Jam on December 29, 2020, 03:05:50 PM
Bit like Katie Hopkins deleting all her old tweets before Twitter saved her the bother of deleting the newer ones, then...

I don’t agree about his Guardian articles though. I thought they were superb.

Yes, they're great. His autobiography, My Shit Life So Far is also good, though I got it as a Kindle edition bundled with another of his books and couldn't get into that one. I think it was Scotland's Jesus, great title but the content was a bit ranty, a tad Clarkson.

Also that BBC tour of Scotland series he did this year was good. I like some bits of his stand-up while disliking other bits of his stand-up.

I guess I'm saying I can still separate the art from the artist in his case. He's not quite up there with Kevin Spacey or Glinner.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Jumblegraws on December 29, 2020, 03:19:01 PM
Just because someone is a hypocrite does not mean they are wrong.
This is true, but it’s also the case that progressive messages are more compelling when espoused by people who lead by example. On this issue specifically, Boyle making an exception to his “context is everything in standup” principle to criticise Gervais’s transphobic jokes is currently being used as evidence for the perverse claim that trans people, and trans women especially, get special treatment. As call-outs go, I’d rather Boyle had kept his trap shut on this one.
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Post by: BritishHobo on December 29, 2020, 04:22:01 PM
The Gervais defenders on Twitter seem to be taking two lines of defence, namely that A: Gervais is lovely and compassionate unlike the hateful Boyle, and his jokes are all in support of kindness and empathy, but also B: Gervais is a no-shits-given offensive comic, unlike the cowardly woke Boyle, and he doesn't give a fuck whose feelings he hurts, because he's brilliant and edgy.
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Post by: Zetetic on December 29, 2020, 04:34:54 PM
James Dreyfus also called child-rape funder Chris Langham a genius (https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/481589668744798208).
For context, "a genius performer" rather than as a comment on paying for child abuse imagery.

Posh Nosh was a massive source of comfort at one point in my life and for various reasons I have some affection for Black Pond, yet at the same time I'm not in favour of supporting the abuse of children.

There's enough to tackle these people on without trying to find something in every utterance - perhaps particularly when the contents of those utterance is largely harmless and yet their performance is intended to outrage or upset, since that's clearly a deliberate trap to 1) garner engagement and 2) portray opposition to their actually hateful nonsense as deranged.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Sonny_Jim on December 29, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
Boyle is a hypocrite.

Gervais made a very lazy attack helicopter joke in 2018.

Both of these can be true at the same time and simply repeating 'yer, but what about....' isn't the rock solid defense of Gervais his fans think it is.
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Post by: Jockice on December 29, 2020, 09:51:42 PM
I remember when The Beastie Boys were on the same bill as The Prodigy at a festival and requested that they didn't play Smack My Bitch Up because it was offensive to women. The Prodigy told them to fuck off, and a number of journalists opined that it was a bit rich of them to accuse anyone of sexism when they used to write misogynistic lyrics and say misogynistic things in interviews and have go-go dancers on stage. Their response to that was essentially "But we were young then". Of course they were then called out for not giving The Prodge the benefit of the doubt Re: age.

One of the many reasons I think The Beastie Boys are wankers. I'm not even a fan of The Prodigy but I just thought 'how fucking dare you?'

Motes in your own eye and stuff like that.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on December 29, 2020, 10:31:10 PM
Here's an interview Boyle did with Richard Osman in 2014 where he talks about the Price joke and controversial humour in general. Osman (who I'm not a fan of usually) takes him to task about it quite well and I'm not impressed by Boyle's justifications.

https://youtu.be/0MRz9RPlsDQ?t=324
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: jobotic on December 29, 2020, 10:41:18 PM
Boyle's just as much of a cunt as he's always been. I saw one of his whatever it's called programmes and it was tedious beyond belief. Reactionary views and guests who are there to go "oh my God, did you really say that?" at his sub-Brooker lines.

But he's right about Gervais. It's Piers Morgan and a government minister.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Menu on December 30, 2020, 01:04:11 AM


Also I did find it very funny when he tried to call out Andrew Lawrence on Twitter during that time he went a bit UKIP, and Lawrence just replied with a mention of the Rebecca Adlington joke and Boyle had no comeback. Lawrence totally owned him there, I had to admit.

That seems to me to be the salient point. We have free speech in this country so people can joke about whatever they like and people can, in turn, choose to listen or not listen. But if you are going to make a career out of doing those kinds of jokes you can't then criticise someone else for doing one about an issue you happen to care about.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Menu on December 30, 2020, 01:10:14 AM
Boyle does not seem to make edgelordy jokes any more

Well he certainly was on his New World Order programme a few weeks ago. Accompanied by the trademark shots of his fellow comedians laughing hysterically and doing faces that say, "Oooh Frankie, you didn't go THERE did you? Oh Frankie! WHAT ARE YOU LIKE?!"
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Post by: trabuch on December 30, 2020, 01:24:34 AM
Ricky Gervais
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Post by: Sonny_Jim on December 30, 2020, 04:25:40 AM
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But if you are going to make a career out of doing those kinds of jokes you can't then criticise someone else for doing one about an issue you happen to care about
So Boyle isn't allowed to criticise Gervais because he's a hypocrite?

Also it's not really a double standard, is it?  One joke affects a solitary person, whereas the other targets a minority.  But yeah, something about Ricky punching down and Boyle punching up.
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Post by: Dog Botherer on December 30, 2020, 04:30:23 AM
they’re both shit cunts but i will give Boyle credit for at least sometimes being funny
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Post by: Jockice on December 30, 2020, 07:59:35 AM
That seems to me to be the salient point. We have free speech in this country so people can joke about whatever they like and people can, in turn, choose to listen or not listen. But if you are going to make a career out of doing those kinds of jokes you can't then criticise someone else for doing one about an issue you happen to care about.

Reminds me of a bloke I used to work with. The first conversation I had with him on his first day (I happened to go up to the office in the goods lift at the same time as him) was about whether I was 'politically correct.' It was clear that he saw himself as some sort of loose-lipped verbal gunslinger and indeed he did do all the racist, sexist, disablist stuff, always with a veil of 'irony.'

Then one day I said something offhand about a subject he obviously didn't think was a laughing matter (not saying what it is and I didn't know this at the time but it turned out to be something that had affected his family) and his face fell. I swear I could see tears forming in his eyes and he immediately turned round and walked out of the room. Aw come on mate, I was only having a laugh there. Can't you take a joke? Etc.

PS, I think Jerry Sadowitz is about a million times better than Boyle, Gervais and Carr all put together. In a mincer.
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Post by: olliebean on December 30, 2020, 09:03:27 AM
That seems to me to be the salient point. We have free speech in this country so people can joke about whatever they like and people can, in turn, choose to listen or not listen. But if you are going to make a career out of doing those kinds of jokes you can't then criticise someone else for doing one about an issue you happen to care about.

Well, of course you can, as that's also free speech. And people are then, in turn, free to point out your hypocrisy.
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Post by: Jumblegraws on December 30, 2020, 09:26:23 AM
Also it's not really a double standard, is it?  One joke affects a solitary person, whereas the other targets a minority.
Oh, come on. The Harvey Price bit was a patchwork of ableist slurs. To the extent broadcasting that sort of thing “affects” anyone, I fail to see how attaching the routine to specific people mitigates the content. He even says in some poorly thought-out attempt to justify the material in that interview with Richard Osman that he handpicked characteristics that aren’t actually associated with Harvey Price’s specific conditions.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: ajsmith2 on December 30, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
Boyle is a hypocrite who cynically deployed edgy humour to advance his career when it was expedient (and more socially acceptable) to do so, but he does seem like a real flawed human being, whereas Gervais comes across as an insane megalomaniacal psychopath leading an army of possessed gaslighting radicals, so I’m still on team Boyle for this one.
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Post by: idunnosomename on December 30, 2020, 10:29:10 AM
The amount of people on Twitter leaping to Ricky's defence is staggering. Comments like this:

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1343634363892817920?s=19

Feels like he's brainwashed half his followers into blind, cult-like worship
hahaha "the tower of Babylon"

James Dreyfus is a fucking gullible idiot. Him weirdly praising Chris Langham is also incredible. Yes Chris was a great performer but saying that to him like evaporates the consequences of his behaviour as if his criminal conviction doesnt matter because he is a good comedy man
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Post by: Ornlu on December 30, 2020, 10:45:01 AM
Well, of course you can, as that's also free speech. And people are then, in turn, free to point out your hypocrisy.

I can't stand it when people do this. It always spoils the joke.

And for what? It never seems to top it with a better joke - instead it's always just low-effort 'gotcha' shit. A child's "ommm, I'm telling". Who the fuck gets any enjoyment from reading that?
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Post by: JaDanketies on December 30, 2020, 10:51:14 AM
The GC goons on Twitter must have some severe cognitive dissonance when they deny being transphobic. But whenever anyone condemns transphobia, they leap to its defence. It's like when Sainsbury's said "no racists in our store please," and definitely-not-racist Lawrence Fox said "fuck you, I'm never going in one again if you don't want me."
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Menu on December 31, 2020, 02:19:25 AM
So Boyle isn't allowed to criticise Gervais because he's a hypocrite?

Also it's not really a double standard, is it?  One joke affects a solitary person, whereas the other targets a minority.  But yeah, something about Ricky punching down and Boyle punching up.

Of course it's a double standard. The individual concerned was a disabled child. That's bad enough but imagine all the other disabled kids whose lives were made worse because of the joke.

Its hard for me because my brother is disabled and very vulnerable but, on balance, I think we should, for reasons of free speech, be allowed to make jokes about anything. Nobody is forced to hear them. And that's where I presumed Frankie stood on the matter. Fair enough. But, no. He says there actually is a line you can't cross and it happens to be wherever he arbitrarily draws it. Forgive me, but that is hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Menu on December 31, 2020, 02:20:07 AM
Reminds me of a bloke I used to work with. The first conversation I had with him on his first day (I happened to go up to the office in the goods lift at the same time as him) was about whether I was 'politically correct.' It was clear that he saw himself as some sort of loose-lipped verbal gunslinger and indeed he did do all the racist, sexist, disablist stuff, always with a veil of 'irony.'

Then one day I said something offhand about a subject he obviously didn't think was a laughing matter (not saying what it is and I didn't know this at the time but it turned out to be something that had affected his family) and his face fell. I swear I could see tears forming in his eyes and he immediately turned round and walked out of the room. Aw come on mate, I was only having a laugh there. Can't you take a joke? Etc.


This is exactly it. I suspect we've all met people like this.
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Post by: Menu on December 31, 2020, 02:21:16 AM
Well, of course you can, as that's also free speech. And people are then, in turn, free to point out your hypocrisy.

Great. Thanks for summarising the discussion.
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Post by: Menu on December 31, 2020, 02:23:16 AM
Oh, come on. The Harvey Price bit was a patchwork of ableist slurs. To the extent broadcasting that sort of thing “affects” anyone, I fail to see how attaching the routine to specific people mitigates the content. He even says in some poorly thought-out attempt to justify the material in that interview with Richard Osman that he handpicked characteristics that aren’t actually associated with Harvey Price’s specific conditions.

Ha! Worst excuse ever.
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Post by: Bazooka on December 31, 2020, 08:44:32 AM
You don't have to be a genius to know he is a coward and decided to mock a disabled child who had a celebrity mother which made Harvey Price free game, he knew this gave him the security to make the joke. I don't know why he didn't do impressions of him being blind.
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Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on December 31, 2020, 08:51:11 AM
he handpicked characteristics that aren’t actually associated with Harvey Price’s specific conditions.

Being a tendency to rape, as that's what the joke was about, or was it part of a longer sequence?
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Post by: Jockice on December 31, 2020, 09:27:39 AM
Being a tendency to rape, as that's what the joke was about, or was it part of a longer sequence?

Yeah, but all disableds have that tendency. Which is somehow crossed with asexuality. We're weird us lot. Best avoided.
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Post by: Jumblegraws on December 31, 2020, 09:30:20 AM
Being a tendency to rape, as that's what the joke was about, or was it part of a longer sequence?
Handpicked a characteristic then, but yes. He said Harvey Price’s autism would make it more likely that he would avoid physical contact with other people. ETA and just to be clear, I don’t think “tendency to rape” is a characteristic of any disability, Boyle’s joke is obviously playing into the wider trope of learning disabled people being Of Mice and Men style brutes who can’t control their impulses.
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Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on December 31, 2020, 09:54:19 AM
I think it would be funny to joke about Harvey Price falling on top of Frankie's face and not getting up for a long time.
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Post by: Jumblegraws on December 31, 2020, 02:11:40 PM
Shallow side note , but something about Boyle’s voice in a discussion puts me on edge. He always sounds to me like he’s talking through gritted teeth and might lamp the person he’s chatting with if they say the wrong thing.
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Post by: Sonny_Jim on December 31, 2020, 03:13:04 PM
I thought he sounded rather posh and limp wristed in that recent Louis interview.
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Post by: neveragain on January 01, 2021, 01:06:28 AM
I thought he sounded rather deep and nasally, and prone to summing situations up based on thoughts that occurred to him when leaving a certain area.
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Post by: scarecrow on January 01, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
In his recent interview with Ash Sarkar, Boyle described his older persons as 'nihilistic'. I don't like any of his material - and agree that it was catnip for bullies - but fair enough. He doesn't have to hide behind explanations for it. Contrast with Gervais who's all about explaining his comedy, to the point that the material is an afterthought.

I think Boyle really does see that the trans routine is rotten and lazy, but his main attack line - that Gervais chooses to identify as a stand up comedian - suggests that his issue is with Gervais's charlatanism more than anything else. I reckon Boyle thinks it's okay to say whatever hateful shit you want so long as you've paid your dues on the circuit.
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Post by: olliebean on January 01, 2021, 10:31:29 PM
Presumably it's "most watched in the world" not of all time, but just in the particular period when a lot of people were watching it. Most watched of that year, perhaps. (Or maybe even just most watched on Netflix.)

Seeing that the most watched new British comedy of 2020 was the Blankety Blank special with Bradley Walsh made me think about this again: Netflix doesn't release its viewing figures, so "most watched in the world" wrt a Netflix show could only possibly refer to most watched on Netflix according to Netflix's own charts.
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Post by: Bronzy on January 06, 2021, 03:33:18 PM
https://twitter.com/officialgham/status/1346545306142453768?s=21
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Post by: phes on May 03, 2021, 08:21:28 PM
dropping by to ring the bell - Ricky has confirmed that afterlife 3 might be 'his best work yet'!
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Gulftastic on May 03, 2021, 08:40:05 PM
dropping by to ring the bell - Ricky has confirmed that afterlife 3 might be 'his best work yet'!

It's nice that he helps his echo chamber with their tweeting. Sycophancy can be taxing.
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Post by: Blue Jam on May 03, 2021, 08:50:07 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1389265466481385475

"Absolutely Mental". Ooooh, edgy!

Ham Sarris as well, two of the Four Horsemen of Atheism right there. Urrrrgggghh.
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Post by: JaDanketies on May 03, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
PZ Myers has some good blogs about how disappointing nu-atheism was in retrospect

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/01/25/the-train-wreck-that-was-the-new-atheism/
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on May 03, 2021, 09:37:38 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1389265466481385475

"Absolutely Mental". Ooooh, edgy!

Ham Sarris as well, two of the Four Horsemen of Atheism right there. Urrrrgggghh.

His fans are such twerps.

(https://i.imgur.com/nC0dB9t.png)
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Post by: ImmaculateClump on May 03, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
He should ask for his money back.
Why Paddy Mcaloon cosplay as gandalf the white now?

I hope this one's a bit more fruitbat. Series 2 was such an airy fart.
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Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 03, 2021, 10:37:59 PM
dropping by to ring the bell - Ricky has confirmed that afterlife 3 might be 'his best work yet'!

First the pandemic, now this.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on May 03, 2021, 11:00:50 PM
Why Paddy Mcaloon cosplay as gandalf the white now?
Wye on Hay?

(https://i.imgur.com/7bgv8sO.png)
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Post by: paruses on May 03, 2021, 11:09:06 PM

I hope this one's a bit more fruitbat. Series 2 was such an airy fart.

Last one was just dull, predictable, and inoffensive. Want either 100% more fruitbat or 100% more of the Phoneshop guys[1].
 
Writing that reminded me that Paul Kaye was in this and terrible (or more working with terrible material). I wonder if he still needs/wants the money enough for this series.

Amazed, though, that it's taken Gervais this long to change the words on the cover sheet to Final Version
 1. so, a new series of Phoneshop
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Post by: bgmnts on May 03, 2021, 11:11:30 PM
If we were to write 'Ricky Gervais's After Extras' it would just be a picture of Derek throwing a dwarf in the air whilst jizzing on a homeless junkie.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 04, 2021, 12:21:17 AM
If we were to write 'Ricky Gervais's After Extras' it would just be a picture of Derek throwing a dwarf in the air whilst jizzing on a homeless junkie.

I stopped to consider if that actually happened in an episode of Derek.
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Post by: olliebean on May 04, 2021, 04:28:33 PM
Who's going to die in this one, do we reckon?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 04, 2021, 04:45:27 PM
It's like Morrissey albums: no matter how shit and offensive he becomes, the fans lap it up so he makes another.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on May 04, 2021, 04:47:46 PM
Who's going to die in this one, do we reckon?

Quick recap please -

S1 he was responsible for the death of the sad heroin addict. But the Obermann character confirmed he was a great guy not yet ready for love.
S2 - dead dad[1] but still a great guy and the nurse turns up at the end to do things entirely on his terms (because he is sad but a great guy).

That right?

Dog will not die but might be almost dead at some point is my guess. Will be very sad but amazing to watch and speak for millions.

Will nursey still be on the scene? 50/50 on that. Maybe she will have taught him stuff (they love bum stuff in my experience) but have moved on allowing for a new love interest.

Is the intricately woven prostitute character still in it? I've forgotten already. Maybe she will have a Jody Foster-type ward who Tony becomes involved with after she lights a cigarette to time their encounter.

I want that sort of stuff in it not just easy sad stuff and old ladies saying cunt.
 1. Between the Lines! That's where I have seen his dad the actor recently
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on May 04, 2021, 04:48:58 PM
Maybe he buys her a watch.
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Post by: Satchmo Distel on May 04, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
The shrink is the absolute low point. If he's still in it, having been outed as a fraud and a misogynist, then it's just a sequence of crap sketches and mawkish monologues rather than an actual narrative with any direction or attempt at maintaining plausible characters (which was already happening in the first episode of Series 1 but has gradually worsened).
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Post by: Mr. Ssmsslth on May 05, 2021, 05:57:58 AM
Gervais' output has obviously been shit for ages but I think his conversations with Sam Harris are entertaining enough.
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Post by: Blue Jam on May 29, 2021, 06:39:46 PM
Ruh-roh...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57291604
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on May 29, 2021, 06:47:13 PM
Ruh-roh...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57291604

Blimey that's horribly bleak. He has quite the comedy cv too, and has worked on a good deal of shows I love (This Morning With Richard Not Judy, The Harry Hill Show), along with some terrible dreck too.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: dothestrand on May 30, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
How do you work with someone for nearly two decades and not have a clue?
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Post by: Blue Jam on May 30, 2021, 09:19:42 PM
How do you work with someone for nearly two decades and not have a clue?

By being a bloke and being very powerful?

To be fair to Gervais abusers can be very good at hiding in plain sight and victims can be afraid to speak up. If Gervais was never targeted personally the chances are he'd never have known.

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Gervais said: "I am shocked and appalled to learn of the historical allegations made by a number of women against Charlie Hanson.

"The decision was made to immediately remove him from production and I am confident the matter is being handled thoroughly.

To his credit he has taken the claims of the alleged victims seriously and seems to be handling this well, so fair play to him.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Mobius on May 30, 2021, 09:48:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBgYQntWUAAsvDc?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Echo Valley 2-6809 on May 30, 2021, 11:41:45 PM
The BBC report doesn't say so, but two women who thought he was mentoring them as writers and performers have alleged separate but similar incidents of meeting Hanson to discuss their work, then waking up to find him having sex with them in an unfamiliar house, with no memory of getting there. Both incidents in 2008. There are at least nine other women with separate allegations.

Hanson was quoted as saying he's fighting the allegations "because I know that's not what I'm like".  Odd wording, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 31, 2021, 12:58:13 AM
Too grim to even joke about. Bleh.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: evilcommiedictator on June 01, 2021, 02:32:21 AM
Do you think at the moment Gervais notices anything that's not about himself?
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Mobius on June 03, 2021, 09:36:28 PM
https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1400447068896784385

BE SAD
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Post by: phes on June 03, 2021, 09:51:59 PM
Oh fuck

This looks like a return to form. Multiple kids with cancer, the heavy artillery is out. Try slagging this off you keeeeeyunnnnnnts *dislocates jaw* awwhahahahahah
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Post by: frajer on June 03, 2021, 10:06:07 PM
Looks like a job for good ol Robot Grief Dog.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: Wayman C. McCreery on June 03, 2021, 10:34:58 PM
https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1400447068896784385

BE SAD

What the fuck is this reply? https://twitter.com/bella_beddywhip/status/1400448468435361799

I thought it was a pisstake but it actually seems to be a Gervais superfan desperate to get their dog in the show.
Title: Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
Post by: paruses on June 03, 2021, 11:01:25 PM
I was hoping it was going to be a true return to insanity but it looks like another very cheap way to get people to say it made them cry and all for the cost of a few headscarves.

This tweet is 50% accurate though:

https://twitter.com/GiselaWarnecke/status/1400465370671063050?s=20

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Lisa with other children who have cancer and are getting chemo like her. I think it´s great that you give other people an insight into what chemo is in #AfterLife3.What you went through as Tony with Lisa. Tony fought cancer with Lisa. Thanks for the great insight into #AfterLife3

There will be no real insight into what having chemo is like BUT it will all be about Tony.
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Post by: BritishHobo on June 03, 2021, 11:13:34 PM
Lisa telling the cancer kids "honestly, he's the kindest man in the world, he's like a kindness superhero, you should see my face when he poos in my morning coffee as a practical joke, I just can't believe how kind he is".