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Jurassic World: Dominion

Started by Thomas, February 26, 2020, 11:26:49 AM

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Captain Z

The Jurassic World Is Not Enough

Thomas

Big trailer here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtQycgMD4HQ&ab_channel=UniversalPictures

Fans have praised the use of a massive Giganotosaurus animatronic, but in action I think it looks pretty stiff and unreal. The robot dinos haven't been filmed - or, crucially, lit - particularly well since Spielberg left the series to other directors.

Compare these lads. One moves like a real animal. The newer one rises awkwardly, as if on a see-saw (it'd look better if the camera didn't lag, exposing the full-body tilt).



Thinks of the Triceratops in the first film - absolutely beautiful puppetry, scales scattered over with dust and grit to make it a part of its environment. The newer animatronics look fresh out of the factory, plastic.


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Quote from: dissolute ocelot on February 19, 2022, 12:33:59 PMHow many children does it eat? Less than 20 and you can fuck off.

I'm hoping for a recreation of the Cheerios scene from Honey I Shrunk The Kids except this time he eats them and there's a whole swimming pool's worth (and it's a summer holiday so that's even more than average).

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Quote from: Thomas on April 29, 2022, 07:33:37 PMBig trailer here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtQycgMD4HQ&ab_channel=UniversalPictures

Fans have praised the use of a massive Giganotosaurus animatronic, but in action I think it looks pretty stiff and unreal. The robot dinos haven't been filmed - or, crucially, lit - particularly well since Spielberg left the series to other directors.

Compare these lads. One moves like a real animal. The newer one rises awkwardly, as if on a see-saw (it'd look better if the camera didn't lag, exposing the full-body tilt).



Reminds me of Robo-Marge in the updated Simpsons titles.

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Quote from: Thomas on April 29, 2022, 07:33:37 PMThinks of the Triceratops in the first film - absolutely beautiful puppetry, scales scattered over with dust and grit to make it a part of its environment. The newer animatronics look fresh out of the factory, plastic.



What's with dinosaurs looking directly into the camera and grinning in this new trilogy?  "I'm not really dying!  Tee hee!!"  *wink*

Butchers Blind

Seen the trailer and from what I can see the main plot point is a baby dinosaur is kidnapped and Pratt promises the mommy dinosaur he'll get it back. Quality stuff.


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That hand looks like it's hovering over the dinosaur's neck there, as if there's nothing physically present in the scene.  So I assumed it was CGI when I saw it, and if it is actually an animatronic puppet they seem to have hit the sweet spot of the worst of all worlds; well done them.

idunnosomename

I can smell the rubber on that thing. Reminds me of Christmas morning


up_the_hampipe

This film looks like a colossal mess. They did so little with Fallen Kingdom and now they're trying to cram everything into the finale.

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If only they had tried to return a baby dinosaur to its mother in the second film instead of saving it for this one

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Quote from: idunnosomename on May 03, 2022, 08:52:20 AMI can smell the rubber on that thing. Reminds me of Christmas morning

Ever levitated your hand over a giant latex reconstitution of your own childhood penis.  Well it's like that except with frankly gorgeous blue eyes added to the intersection.

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Thomas

Quote from: up_the_hampipe on May 03, 2022, 01:52:27 PMThis film looks like a colossal mess. They did so little with Fallen Kingdom and now they're trying to cram everything into the finale.

Every addition to this franchise is an inadvertent argument as to why Jurassic Park should have been standalone.

One thing that annoys me, in this World trilogy especially, is that the dinosaurs have gone from being a) animals to b) geek-pleasing Marvel-like characters, complete with nicknames and personal arcs, and occasionally superpowers. The now-elderly T. rex from the first film is evidently going to undergo a wrestling-style narrative in Dominion, getting 'revenge' on the Giganotosaurus.

The rex's single 'hero' moment at the end of Jurassic Park (killing the raptors and saving the day) was earned and indulgable, but subsequent productions have extrapolated from it a very stupid direction for their creatures, culminating in... this:


The nostalgia efforts on display are blinding, too. I didn't actually think they'd be so obvious as to have Goldblum wave a flare to distract a dinosaur, to have the Big Bad flip a car on our heroes, or to dress the characters in colours parallel to those from the first film (as if Alan, Ellie, and Ian are aware of their iconography). 

idunnosomename

Is Chris Pratt just going fuck Blue in this one then

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Quote from: Thomas on May 03, 2022, 02:35:31 PMor to dress the characters in colours parallel to those from the first film (as if Alan, Ellie, and Ian are aware of their iconography).

Colours, you say?  Not just teal and orange?

When is this released again?

Thomas

Quote from: Replies From View on May 03, 2022, 06:17:39 PMColours, you say?  Not just teal and orange?

Well, approximate shades within the rigid orange/teal spectrum. Out in June.

I have really wanted these films to be and look good, especially when they utilise classic effects techniques, which is why it's with disappointment rather than sneering when I compare 1993 and 2022:



Poobum

That can't be real. It's Asylum film level.

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beanheadmcginty


Noodle Lizard

Excellent breakdown(s), @Thomas - you've put the disappointment into better words than I could ever hope to. It's almost confusing how boring and underwhelming (if not outright ridiculous) they've managed to make the World films given the template they had available to them, not to mention two decades of technological progress. I don't know what's exactly to blame other than the fact that it's now a "franchise" and has a few hundred different hands in it rather than (what I assume was) a comparatively singular vision in Spielberg/Crichton's original.

There's also an element of Marvelisation going on, as you say, with the dinosaurs being recurring characters with distinct personalities, high-fiving Chris Pratt or whatever, which just completely neglects everything the novel and original film is trying to say. The fear inherent in Jurassic Park, which is still very effective to this day, is entirely based in the idea of humanity/science/technology getting completely out of its depth and ultimately being reduced to the sum of its parts - being confronted by the discovery of a new fossil or skeleton is something quite different from being confronted by the thing itself. Granted, I don't think there really needed to be more than one film to get that message across, but somehow the World films fail even more at just being an entertaining big budget spectacle with dinosaurs going mad all over the place, because they're so preoccupied with the generic human drama of it all. See also: Godzilla vs. Kong - it seems almost impossible to make that film boring, but they did it (those crazy sons-of-bitches!)

That quote from the first film is most pertinent when talking about the reboots: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should".


Shaky

I finally watched the first JW about a month ago and it was fine, perfunctory entertainment at best. I don't want to watch a second of the sequels. Seeing stills for the new one with five or six main characters crammed together just looks ridiculous.

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The shocking thing for me about Jurassic World was how pathetic and dependent they decided to write the main female character.  I don't recall if I even bothered with the second one.

Noodle Lizard

Quote from: Replies From View on May 04, 2022, 11:37:30 AMThe shocking thing for me about Jurassic World was how pathetic and dependent they decided to write the main female character.  I don't recall if I even bothered with the second one.

I recall it got a lot of attention at the time, even from just one pre-release clip. They addressed those criticisms by having her wear badass hiking boots in the sequel!

Again, in the unenlightened 90s they were somehow able to create a perfectly capable and believable female protagonist in Laura Dern, whereas now they can't seem to get the balance right between BDH tottering around screeching in high heels and her jiu-jitsuing a T-Rex's face off or whatever. It doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.

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The most badass hiking boots conceivable would be ones that make you feel every stick and stone beneath your feet and help you sweat and rub so that you get blisters, squish your toes together so the toenails induce bleeding.  Somehow I doubt she was wearing those - they'd have given her hyper protective coddling ones.

Thomas

They're releasing loads of clips from this ahead of time. Here we see Alan and Ellie reunited for the first time since the first film! oh yeah she was in Jurassic Park 3 for a couple of minutes wasn't she


Feels off somehow. Lighting and framing is weird, Sam Neill doing a Terry Wogan at points.

The lifeblood of this Marvelised super-sequel will be nostalgia - like an enthusiastic cuckold in a specialist video, it willfully invites us to look back to the original film. But when you do, you find that it's full of incomparable charm and spirit and a really absorbing naturalism. Very distracting, Just look at the originator of the above scene:


Feels and sounds real, looks great, thoroughly dynamic.

Old Nehamkin

You would have to be a complete idiot to go and see this.

idunnosomename

Quote from: Thomas on May 25, 2022, 12:59:18 PMThe lifeblood of this Marvelised super-sequel will be nostalgia - like an enthusiastic cuckold in a specialist video, it willfully invites us to look back to the original film. But when you do, you find that it's full of incomparable charm and spirit and a really absorbing naturalism. Very distracting, Just look at the originator of the above scene:


Feels and sounds real, looks great, thoroughly dynamic.
well yes notice how entertaining things happen while the characters speak their dialogue

this is what used to be called "a movie"