Cigarettes & Alcohol by Oasis is the greatest song of all-time

[Dusty Substance]

Over on Twitter, Simon Price has been pontificating about Oasis.

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1355303096549830657

I like Pricey (although I no longer follow him on the bird app) and I'm no Oasis mega-fan, but I don't get the point of making these negative declarations, knowing it'll result in a pile-on from fans of the band.

They're so irrelevant in 2021.

[Rizla]

Over on Twitter, Simon Price has been pontificating about Oasis.

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1355303096549830657

I like Pricey (although I no longer follow him on the bird app) and I'm no Oasis mega-fan, but I don't get the point of making these negative declarations, knowing it'll result in a pile-on from fans of the band.

They're so irrelevant in 2021.

Mitch Benn in the replies there. With his EU flag and union jack and my shit sci-fi book out now. What a fucking cunt.

[daf]

I think having the worst production EVER is more of a problem (than the speed of the songs)

I mean, listen to [I Got] The Fever - it's got a great chorus, but there's no 'punch' at all, as everything's squashed into this tiny little box of mush - leaving the drums sounding like someone tapping on some tin-foil with a pencil!

AMATEURS!

[kalowski]

Over on Twitter, Simon Price has been pontificating about Oasis.

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1355303096549830657

I like Pricey (although I no longer follow him on the bird app) and I'm no Oasis mega-fan, but I don't get the point of making these negative declarations, knowing it'll result in a pile-on from fans of the band.

They're so irrelevant in 2021.

He's absolutely spot on.

In other news, the greatest song of all-time is "Get Off Your Ass and Jam" by Funkadelic.

[rue the polywhirl]

The best song of all time is Shape Of You by Ed Sheeran. 8 billion people on Spotify and YouTube can't be wrong!

[markburgle]

Cigarettes and Alcohol is the only song where they lived up to their whole bad-boy image in song. The rest of their songs have quite drippy lyrics when you get down to it, but this one's quite nihilistic. Exciting to hear in a pop single. Proper rock n roll, that

[Jim_MacLaine]

I thought it was obvious the greatest song of all time was Hey Love by The Delfonics not ruined covered by Oasis as far as I'm aware.

[idunnosomename]

i was in a pub in merseyside and right, wonderwall came on the telly and everyone stood up and masturbated

[easytarget]

i was in a pub in merseyside and right, wonderwall came on the telly and everyone stood up and masturbated

ON Merseyside you soft southern bastard.

[easytarget]

(the rest of the story checks out).

[Pauline Walnuts]

Over on Twitter, Simon Price has been pontificating about Oasis.

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1355303096549830657

I like Pricey (although I no longer follow him on the bird app) and I'm no Oasis mega-fan, but I don't get the point of making these negative declarations, knowing it'll result in a pile-on from fans of the band.

They're so irrelevant in 2021.

Tweet 1: I Hate this semi-popular thing. Over 20 years after their peak.
Tweet 2,3 & 4: Ooh, Ain't I edgy hating this semi-popular thing. Over 20 years after their peak.
Tweet 4+ You're all going to be talking about ME ME ME ME! But I'm going to mute everyone, lol.

I can't even... No wonder the Melody Maker closed. Over 20 years blah blah






Scrolling down a bit more,



Ooh.

[crankshaft]

Over on Twitter, Simon Price has been pontificating about Oasis.

https://twitter.com/simon_price01/status/1355303096549830657

I like Pricey (although I no longer follow him on the bird app) and I'm no Oasis mega-fan, but I don't get the point of making these negative declarations, knowing it'll result in a pile-on from fans of the band.

They're so irrelevant in 2021.

I mean, he's right about Oasis, but it seems so pointless to be carrying on as if he might win this time and that Romo will finally be a thing 25+ years after the fact.

That's what rubs me up the wrong way about Simon Price, and indeed the rest of the Chart Music crowd - music journalists from another epoch going on and and on AND ON about their old musical causes as if it's a battle to be won.

[the science eel]

Most people - even the naysayers - were kind of behind the band at the time. I'd put good money on the fact that they could all be seen swaying in a pub to 'Some Might Say' just before closing time. At least once.

[crankshaft]

Most people - even the naysayers - were kind of behind the band at the time. I'd put good money on the fact that they could all be seen swaying in a pub to 'Some Might Say' just before closing time. At least once.

No. Not me. I thought they were shit right from the off. Everything about 90s male culture that was shit boiled down and concentrated. No artistry; a fear of the unknown; a suspicion of non-conformity. I wouldn't have been seen dead singing along to one of their songs, never mind bloody buying one.

[Replies From View]

I think a good test for whether Oasis is any good is to listen to their cover of I Am The Walrus and ask if they seem to make the most of the opportunity ladled to them.  If the answer is NO THIS IS SHIT then the answer is NO THEY ARE SHIT

[Oz Oz Alice]

I think their cover of I Am The Walrus is the best thing they did. It's still not great.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Their cover of I Am the Walrus is awful. I liked Oasis in the early days, but even at the time I was amazed that they'd managed to turn an incredible swirl of funny/sinister psychedelia into a lumpen quagmire of bar chord tedium.

They never really understood the point of The Beatles, did they? The Beatles were a witty, innovative pop group who were constantly pushing themselves forward. They're full of colour and life: the antithesis of Oasis.

And I say all that as someone who thinks Noel had a knack for melody during his brief heyday.

[the science eel]

No. Not me. I thought they were shit right from the off. Everything about 90s male culture that was shit boiled down and concentrated. No artistry; a fear of the unknown; a suspicion of non-conformity. I wouldn't have been seen dead singing along to one of their songs, never mind bloody buying one.

No, fair enough. I was thinking more of music journos.

[the science eel]

Their cover of I Am the Walrus is awful. I liked Oasis in the early days, but even at the time I was amazed that they'd managed to turn an incredible swirl of funny/sinister psychedelia into a lumpen quagmire of bar chord tedium.

They never really understood the point of The Beatles, did they? The Beatles were a witty, innovative pop group who were constantly pushing themselves forward. They're full of colour and life: the antithesis of Oasis.

And I say all that as someone who thinks Noel had a knack for melody during his brief heyday.

Agree with every word.

I seem to remember that IATW cover getting a fair bit of praise by people who should know better, too.

[crankshaft]

No, fair enough. I was thinking more of music journos.

I can imagine that Taylor Parkes and Simon Price hated them from the off and never let that go. But still arguing the toss all these years later? Stop trying to make Orlando happen; it's not going to happen.

[markburgle]

I say all that as someone who thinks Noel had a knack for melody during his brief heyday.

Strange thing with Noel was the way he stopped nicking other people's ideas. Everyone played spot-the-riff/melody with early Oasis, but oddly that free-wheeling attitude did seem to loosen him up and improve his own ideas too. The end of that brief heyday coincided with the end of his blatant plagiarism

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

I can imagine that Taylor Parkes and Simon Price hated them from the off and never let that go. But still arguing the toss all these years later? Stop trying to make Orlando happen; it's not going to happen.

This song by Orlando is lovely, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78hcB4qkFkM

I'm awfully fond of the Chart Music gang, they've made me laugh so much over the last few years. I agree that they can be exasperatingly stubborn when it comes to certain subjects*, but I don't listen to their podcast to nod along with everything they say.

_{* Pricey, mind you, admits that Supersonic by Oasis lives up to everything that the band supposedly represented. It swaggers, it's a sneering rock song with attitude. Stick it on now and it still sounds great.}

[non capisco]

Pricey is usually self-deprecating about the commercial prospects of Romo whenever it occasionally comes up on Chart Music. There have been numerous cracks about how no-one turned up to the tour gigs. It's not like him and Taylor are still feverishly plotting ways to make DexDexTer happen.

Like Ballard I'm massively biased towards the Chart Music gang but even if that podcast had never existed I'd appreciate anyone still ragging on Oasis in a world where that pigshit thick, woman's throat grabbing, bullying cock Liam Gallagher has somehow become something of a fondly thought of national treasure.

[SteveDave]

It's Simon Price's hypocrisy on Chart Music that grinds my gears and has turned me against religion. He calls out Oasis for their sexism and homophobia one minute and the next he'll be licking punk rocker Steve Jones' arsehole. 

[crankshaft]

This song by Orlando is lovely, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78hcB4qkFkM

Yeah, it's OK (and I knew which song it was going to be before I clicked, because I've heard the album and it's the best song on it). They were by some great distance the only band from the whole Romo thing with any talent or notability at all. But they were never going to be a thing, especially when the British masses wanted turgid Stella anthems.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Pricey is usually self-deprecating about the commercial prospects of Romo whenever it occasionally comes up on Chart Music. There have been numerous cracks about how no-one turned up to the tour gigs. It's not like him and Taylor are still feverishly plotting ways to make DexDexTer happen.

Exactly. Taylor is nothing if not utterly self-deprecating, and Pricey can laugh at himself too.

Like Ballard I'm massively biased towards the Chart Music gang but even if that podcast had never existed I'd appreciate anyone still ragging on Oasis in a world where that pigshit thick, woman's throat grabbing, bullying cock Liam Gallagher has somehow become something of a fondly thought of national treasure.

Staggering, isn't it? Liam Gallagher was caught on camera grabbing a woman by the throat, the evidence is there for all to see, and yet here he still is in 2021: an apparently lovable Britpop elder statesman. Nope. He's always been a total wanker.

As for Noelly G, I'll admit that I found him quite funny and personable whenever he turned up on the Russell Brand radio show. But then he'd go and spoil it all by coming out with a load of ill-informed, reactionary bollocks*. He thinks Corbyn is a Communist, for fuck's sake. I don't expect trenchant political analysis from Noel Gallagher, that's not what he's for, but he strikes me as a fairly bright and quick-witted man who is nevertheless inherently conservative.

_{* Which Brand would usually call him out on, to be fair.}

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Yeah, it's OK (and I knew which song it was going to be before I clicked, because I've heard the album and it's the best song on it). They were by some great distance the only band from the whole Romo thing with any talent or notability at all. But they were never going to be a thing, especially when the British masses wanted turgid Stella anthems.

It's their only good song, I agree. Taylor and Simon presumably knew in their heart of hearts that Romo would never succeed, but I understand why they felt compelled to hype it up - as a futile act of rebellion, if nothing else.

It's Simon Price's hypocrisy on Chart Music that grinds my gears and has turned me against religion. He calls out Oasis for their sexism and homophobia one minute and the next he'll be licking punk rocker Steve Jones' arsehole.

I like The Specials as much as anyone else with ears, but Jerry Dammers wrote some really nasty, reactionary, misogynistic lyrics. Neil and Pricey have acknowledged that, to be fair, but can you imagine how they'd react if Noel Gallagher had ever written anything along those lines? Not that he ever would or could, as Noel's lyrics are largely meaningless, but they would never let him get away with it.

To reiterate: I really like the CM gang, they're good people, and I'm not vociferously arsed about their occasional double standards. We're all guilty of that sometimes.

[Spiteface]

It's their only good song, I agree. Taylor and Simon presumably knew in their heart of hearts that Romo would never succeed, but I understand why they felt compelled to hype it up - as a futile act of rebellion, if nothing else.

I like The Specials as much as anyone else with ears, but Jerry Dammers wrote some really nasty, reactionary, misogynistic lyrics. Neil and Pricey have acknowledged that, to be fair, but can you imagine how they'd react if Noel Gallagher had ever written anything along those lines? Not that he ever would or could, as Noel's lyrics are largely meaningless, but they would never let him get away with it.

Noel Gallagher has always been judged more harshly than most of his peers back then.

Like, he listens to The Beatles! The fucking NERVE!

There were/are plenty of bands that were every bit as derivative as Oasis, and they got nowhere near the amount of shit for it. I don't care if you love or hate Oasis, that is just what I've observed.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Strange thing with Noel was the way he stopped nicking other people's ideas. Everyone played spot-the-riff/melody with early Oasis, but oddly that free-wheeling attitude did seem to loosen him up and improve his own ideas too. The end of that brief heyday coincided with the end of his blatant plagiarism

I never had a problem with Noel's plagiarism; as you say, he'd nick bits and pieces from other songs and build something new around them.

Cigarettes & Alcohol is the Get It On riff fused to a different melody and chord progression. She's Electric ends with the rising harmonies from With a Little Help from My Friends, but the rest of the song sounds nothing like it.

By his own admission, Half the World Away is the chord sequence from Bacharach's This Guy's in Love With You played backwards (sort of), but the melody is completely different. The Importance of Being Idle is a rather nifty '66 Kinks pastiche, but it doesn't actually sound like a specific Kinks song. And I honestly believe that Noel had never heard How Sweet to Be an Idiot by Neil Innes when he wrote Whatever. Ripping off a Rutle? That's too good to be true, it must just be a coincidence.

Pretty much everything he's written in the last 20 years has been utter toilet, though.

I've spent far too much time writing about Oasis this morning.

[gilbertharding]

Pricey is usually self-deprecating about the commercial prospects of Romo whenever it occasionally comes up on Chart Music. There have been numerous cracks about how no-one turned up to the tour gigs. It's not like him and Taylor are still feverishly plotting ways to make DexDexTer happen.

Like Ballard I'm massively biased towards the Chart Music gang but even if that podcast had never existed I'd appreciate anyone still ragging on Oasis in a world where that pigshit thick, woman's throat grabbing, bullying cock Liam Gallagher has somehow become something of a fondly thought of national treasure.

Romo has an entry in the edition of Chambers Dictionary I happen to own.

I quite liked Oasis when they first happened, but it was quite disorienting to have been a fan of psych/indie/grunge music in the years 1987-1993 and suddenly have a version of this stuff suddenly become completely mainstream. The only preparation for me had been the occasional TotP appearance of The Smiths or Happy Mondays or whatever.

In fact, my honest reaction to watching Oasis's appearance on The Word was "Fucking hell - are they really trying to make out that a Stone Roses Tribute Act are going to be the next big thing?"