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Title: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 02:30:19 AM
The next Terminator movie is currently filming and is set for a November 22nd, 2019 release.  James Cameron is producing, with Tim Miller (Deadpool) directing.  The story is a continuation from Terminator 2, which will retcon the pre-exisiting sequels to said movie.

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Linda Hamilton returns as Sarah Connor.

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Looks like we'll also be seeing the the return of a young Arnold Schwarzenegger and Edward Furlong, brought back to our screens via the juju of the uncanny valley.

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What are your thoughts?  Personally, I wish that they'd just leave well enough alone.  Yet, I'm inclined to think that this may well be a marked improvement upon Terminator 3, Salvation and Genisys.  That's not saying much though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: bgmnts on June 08, 2018, 02:41:09 AM
Stupid.

It seems like the film industry is to content to just keep throwing shit at a wall.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gregory Torso on June 08, 2018, 03:22:06 AM
I will enjoy this only if modern day Edward Furlong and Arnie are cast, wheezing and waddling around, struggling to get up on motorbikes, soiling their underwear and just giving up saying fuck it I can’t run anymore, Robert Patrick just knife me in the head with your long sharp hands.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 03:28:30 AM
I will enjoy this only if modern day Edward Furlong and Arnie are cast, wheezing and waddling around, struggling to get up on motorbikes, soiling their underwear and just giving up saying fuck it I can’t run anymore, Robert Patrick just knife me in the head with your long sharp hands.

(https://i.imgur.com/v7DiQHC.jpg?1)

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Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on June 08, 2018, 03:39:46 AM
it's a fucking terrible idea to keep thrashing around with the same characters & to try to undo the dead-horse-flog of the franchise. there will never be a better scifi/horror movie than the first one, though the second was a great flick too. that's where it should've stopped.

that said, I enjoyed the almost-70s-style tv show*, which filled the gap between the second movie &... well, who knows? what's regarded as canon now?

I wish 'terminal salivation' had been done properly (i.e. no HBC for a start), & that the one with the vet & the one with phil collins had never happened.

(* "sometimes they go wrong. no-one knows why." great line. summer glau.)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 03:48:41 AM
it's a fucking terrible idea to keep thrashing around with the same characters & to try to undo the dead-horse-flog of the franchise. there will never be a better scifi/horror movie than the first one, though the second was a great flick too. that's where it should've stopped.

I agree but if they absolutely insist on making more Terminator movies, then I wish that they'd return to the series' horror roots.  Likewise, if they absolutely must have Arnold Schwarzenegger back for a sequel, then have him play the bad guy again.  At least that would feel somewhat novel at this point.  Still, the best course of action would be to simply not bother at all, of course.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 07:38:42 AM
The Sarah Connor Chronicles had some potential, pretty daft but got the spirit right and I think it’s a shame they axed it.  I’m guessing it was axed because Terminator Salvation was going ahead and the studio didn’t want them clashing?

I must say I am curious about this new movie, the same way I am curious about all the sequels.  It’s fascinating how many botched first films of unmade new trilogies they can keep churning out.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: phantom_power on June 08, 2018, 07:41:35 AM
Why do they need to keep revisiting the same characters? Surely there is more than one robot and more than two resistance fighters? Tell someone else's story in the same world
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 07:43:35 AM
Why do they need to keep revisiting the same characters? Surely there is more than one robot and more than two resistance fighters? Tell someone else's story in the same world

This is why the TV series was more interesting, at least in concept.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 07:46:20 AM
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I love that they needed a child actor with Edward Furlong’s exact hair, even though they’ll be CGI-ing the arse out of his face.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
They should do my idea where its like the original Terminator but the entire film is just the part where he's bare and you see a bit of willy as he walks around.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 08:22:40 AM
I love that they needed a child actor with Edward Furlong’s exact hair, even though they’ll be CGI-ing the arse out of his face.

Well, it's easier to have a physical likeness to the original actor, to base the CGI work off of, hence why that kid also has a facial similarity to Edward Furlong.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 08:24:33 AM
The man looks nought like Arnie Schwarzenegger though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 08:24:49 AM
Well, it's easier to have a physical likeness to the original actor, to base the CGI work off of, hence why that kid also has a facial similarity to Edward Furlong.

Still funny though.

I want it to be a thing where they have to trace really carefully around the hair and they keep getting it wrong.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 08:28:33 AM
They should do my idea where its like the original Terminator but the entire film is just the part where he's bare and you see a bit of willy as he walks around.

That would be a good twist.  A Terminator Genisys style “what if” story where the scenario is “what if the T-800 was never able to get clothes on that first day?”

Do you reckon he would spend the rest of his mission time trying (and failing) to sort out clothes for himself, or would he give up on that and do the mission nude?  Maybe those alternatives could get a film each.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 08:30:02 AM
He would continue and fail to find clothes for the whole film. Not a comedy, but some big laughs.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mrfridge on June 08, 2018, 08:35:20 AM
So Sarah Connor has aged as you’d expect in the last twenty odd years but little Eddie Furlong/John Connor is exactly the same age (if not slightly younger than) he was in 1991? How the fuck does that work? Time travel? LEAVE IT!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 08:36:02 AM
He would continue and fail to find clothes for the whole film. Not a comedy, but some big laughs.

Is he trying to get Sarah Connor, or does that objective not kick in due to a lack of clothes?

I am asking whether he is spending the film nude and trying to get Sarah Connor, or nude and contriving an endless number of failed methods to steal people’s clothes, like a clothes-obsessed Wile E. Coyote.

I personally want both.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 08:36:44 AM
Is he trying to get Sarah Connor, or does that objective not kick in due to a lack of clothes?

I am asking whether he is spending the film nude and trying to get Sarah Connor, or nude and contriving an endless number of failed methods to steal people’s clothes, like a clothes-obsessed Wile E. Coyote.

The latter, but like I said its not a comedy. You can't have a film these days where a nude cyborg chases an elderly woman for 2 hours, not in the current political climate.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
The latter, but like I said its not a comedy. You can't have a film these days where a nude cyborg chases an elderly woman for 2 hours, not in the current political climate.

Also the Terminator movies have crossed too far into self-referential parody lately.  A very gritty, somber film about a nude T-800 falling to obtain clothes is what the franchise needs right now.

If it’s set in 1984 Sarah Connor wouldn’t be elderly though.  I can understand your confusion with people looking so much older back then.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 08:49:44 AM
It's set in 1995 if it follows on from T2. People were more forgiving of nude men in 1995 but it's still very embarrassing for the Terminator that everyone in Los Angeles can see his willy due to his inability to find clothes. I think in one scene he finally finds clothes but when he puts them on they're much too small and they all rip and yet again everyone can see his bum and willy.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: phantom_power on June 08, 2018, 08:51:13 AM
This is why the TV series was more interesting, at least in concept.

Yeah I really liked the TV series
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: olliebean on June 08, 2018, 08:53:10 AM
He would continue and fail to find clothes for the whole film. Not a comedy, but some big laughs.

Didn't Marlon Wayans already make that film?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 08:59:13 AM
It's set in 1995 if it follows on from T2. People were more forgiving of nude men in 1995 but it's still very embarrassing for the Terminator that everyone in Los Angeles can see his willy due to his inability to find clothes. I think in one scene he finally finds clothes but when he puts them on they're much too small and they all rip and yet again everyone can see his bum and willy.

Yes I guess Sarah Connor would be elderly by 1995.

In the scene where the clothes rip it’s really important for the T-800 not to do any kind of vexed face.  I hope the director communicates this to Schwarzenegger.  He tends to do a lot of gurning nowadays unless he is explicitly told not to.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 09:03:45 AM
The man looks nought like Arnie Schwarzenegger though.

It's the same stunt double that they used for Genisys.  As you can see, he looks a lot more like Schwarzenegger once he's shaved and styled his hair...

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Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 09:14:10 AM
I thought the previous Arnie was all CGI. 80s Arnie has to be the easiest perso to CGI considering he already looked like he was generated  by a computer.


Yes I guess Sarah Connor would be elderly by 1995.

In the scene where the clothes rip it’s really important for the T-800 not to do any kind of vexed face.  I hope the director communicates this to Schwarzenegger.  He tends to do a lot of gurning nowadays unless he is explicitly told not to.


Yes, it has to be played totally straight otherwise it would spoil it, the gurning started as early as T2 and he should stop. Terminators never gurn, its in their protocols.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteveDave on June 08, 2018, 09:16:20 AM
Would the Terminator have a cock and balls? I would think they'd Ken smooth down there.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 09:18:02 AM
The Terminator does have a 'cock and balls' yes, you get a glimpse in the first film. His anus is painted on though, as we have discussed previously.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
The Terminator does have a 'cock and balls' yes, you get a glimpse in the first film. His anus is painted on though, as we have discussed previously.

Actually biggy is wrong about the anus.  To be a convincing infiltration unit a T-800 needs a fully functioning anus.  Troops will be suspicious if they never witness a muscleman shitting.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 09:39:59 AM
The Terminator has no digestive system or lower intestine so there is no point it having an anus so the anus is painted on as we have already confirmed.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
The Terminator has no digestive system or lower intestine so there is no point it having an anus so the anus is painted on as we have already confirmed.

Yes, we've been over this.  Even James Cameron himself confirmed the painted on anus as being canonical.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 10:28:57 AM
The Terminator has no digestive system or lower intestine so there is no point it having an anus so the anus is painted on as we have already confirmed.

Why do you think it lacks a digestive system and lower intestine?

A T-800 that won’t eat an apple that it is given may as well have its eyes constantly glowing red.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 10:32:11 AM
Yes, we've been over this.  Even James Cameron himself confirmed the painted on anus as being canonical.

Bullshit.  T-800s have fully functioning anuses because they need to pass themselves off as human.  They’re not going bother transitioning from rubber skin to real skin without also having realistic shitting, are they.  Think about it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on June 08, 2018, 10:34:03 AM
One thing I always held out with the Terminator series, is that it didn't matter how many rubs sequels there was, one day James Cameron would get the rights back and do his third film. The actual, proper third film.

Yet he gets the rights back, farms it out, and carries on with the 12 Avatar sequels no one in the world asked for

It's like if your mum made the loveliest cake imaginable, everyone loves it, yet chose to spend her days making them scones she makes what taste like plop instead

I AM VERY UPSET WITH THE FILMMAKER JAMES CAMERON

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 10:40:09 AM
Bullshit.  T-800s have fully functioning anuses because they need to pass themselves off as human.  They’re not going bother transitioning from rubber skin to real skin without also having realistic shitting, are they.  Think about it.


I'm sorry that you feel the need to deny what is now an established fact by spinning off these bizarre fantasies about the Terminator having a poo. What possible scenario does the Terminator need to a) have a poo to establish he's a human and b) that spectators actually need to see the poo coming out of his anus?


It beggars belief that he would ever be in such a situation, regardless of his badly his mission went wrong.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 10:45:33 AM
I'm sorry that you feel the need to deny what is now an established fact by spinning off these bizarre fantasies about the Terminator having a poo. What possible scenario does the Terminator need to a) have a poo to establish he's a human and b) that spectators actually need to see the poo coming out of his anus?


It beggars belief that he would ever be in such a situation, regardless of his badly his mission went wrong.

You’ve obviously never seen the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on June 08, 2018, 10:45:38 AM
Though the first time the T-1000 was smashed up, the bit of metal what made his willy couldn't be retrieved as it fell down a manhole.

So for the last 104 minutes of T2, the T-1000 had no willy

Maybe that's why he lost. Though he still had balls. Who knows
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 10:47:01 AM

I'm sorry that you feel the need to deny what is now an established fact by spinning off these bizarre fantasies about the Terminator having a poo. What possible scenario does the Terminator need to a) have a poo to establish he's a human and b) that spectators actually need to see the poo coming out of his anus?


It beggars belief that he would ever be in such a situation, regardless of his badly his mission went wrong.

Preciously.  It's for this exact reason that Skynet made sure to never send a terminator back in time, to infiltrate a fecal fetishist convention.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 10:48:39 AM
I doubt he had a metal willy mate, keep it real. It would just have been a piece of textured flesh in the shape of a willy, non functional as the Terminator has no bladder to urinate, and no need or indeed desire to have sexual intercourse.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 11:47:37 AM
biggy doesn’t know anything about Terminators.  Stop listening to him.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 12:01:46 PM
biggy doesn’t know anything about Terminators.  Stop listening to him.

You'd like that, wouldn't you, robot?

CONFIRMED: Replies From View is a terminator and has a painted on anus.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 12:24:56 PM
You'd like that, wouldn't you, robot?

CONFIRMED: Replies From View is a terminator and has a painted on anus.

If I had a painted-on anus you would have known I was a Terminator ages ago.

This much is so basic I can barely breathe at your lack of comprehension.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 08, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
If I had a painted-on anus you would have known I was a Terminator ages ago.

This much is so basic I can barely breathe at your lack of comprehension.

Don't be daft.  You don't need to breathe because you're a robot.  A robot with a painted on anus.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Steven on June 08, 2018, 01:07:25 PM
The inevitable sojourn into willy/bum/poo whimsy in this thread has been encouraging me to slit my wrists with a brick.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
The inevitable sojourn into willy/bum/poo whimsy in this thread has been encouraging me to slit my wrists with a brick.

It’s not whimsy when it’s treated as solemnly as it is here.

They think an infiltration unit that has to start out its mission in nude form wouldn’t draw attention to itself with a painted-on anus, Steven.  Can you even imagine an opinion that is more staggeringly wrong?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 01:50:40 PM
The fact that the Terminator has a painted on anus is something I treat very seriously, it is not 'whimsy' thank you.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 01:51:27 PM
The fact that the Terminator has a painted on anus is something I treat very seriously, it is not 'whimsy' thank you.

It’s not a fucking fact you unwavering imbecile.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 01:51:46 PM
It’s not whimsy when it’s treated as solemnly as it is here.

They think an infiltration unit that has to start out its mission in nude form wouldn’t draw attention to itself with a painted-on anus, Steven.  It’s staggering, isn’t it.


Unless they're infiltrating something with their buttocks splayed open to reveal the anus I don't believe this is an issue.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
Unless they're infiltrating something with their buttocks splayed open to reveal the anus I don't believe this is an issue.

Finally you recognise that your view is a matter of belief.  At fucking last.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
OK, if he's on a mission in the nude and he drops his keys and has to bend over for them and his buttocks part revealing his anus and its painted on rather than a genuine anus and someone is there at close quarters staring up his arse and sees, this may alert them to the fact he's a terminator and not a real nude man (what is this arse observer even going to do with this information anyway!?). I accept that, I just think the order of events is so vanishingly unlikely that its not cost effective for the manufactures to install complex mechanical anuses when for all intents and purposes a painted on duplicate will do.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
It’s not a fucking fact you unwavering imbecile.


It's to a real fact what a painted on anus is to a complex mechanical one, eg close enough.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on June 08, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
One thing I always held out with the Terminator series, is that it didn't matter how many rubs sequels there was, one day James Cameron would get the rights back and do his third film. The actual, proper third film.

Yet he gets the rights back, farms it out, and carries on with the 12 Avatar sequels no one in the world asked for

It's like if your mum made the loveliest cake imaginable, everyone loves it, yet chose to spend her days making them scones she makes what taste like plop instead

I AM VERY UPSET WITH THE FILMMAKER JAMES CAMERON

At this stage would you want him directing? going by Avatar he'd recon it so that Miles Tyson is an evil white yuppy who fails to listen to a calm reasoned argument about the effects of his work on the future.

In the arse stakes I'm guessing all forms of sexy time would be a better infiltration tool than crapping.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 02:19:23 PM
I just think the order of events is so vanishingly unlikely that its not cost effective for the manufactures to install complex mechanical anuses when for all intents and purposes a painted on duplicate will do.

Could you be thinking of one of the earlier Terminator series?  The T-600 or T-700 models, for example?  The T-600 had rubber skin and they painted the anus on.  One of the biggest problems was that the paint rubbed off; that’s why Kyle Reese says “we spotted them easy” in the first Terminator film.  The T-700 had a more convincing rubber skin with some organic components, and they were experimenting with punching a hole to make an anus rather than painting it on, but the hole kept enlarging as the T-700 flexed around.

By the time of the T-800 a lot of advancements had been made.  The ones sent to the Wild West to blend in by farting around campfires were T-800 units, for example.  T-800 units sent throughout history have been able to spend a convincing amount of time in the toilet so as not to arouse suspicion during pub crawls and so on.

You are seriously underestimating how complex the T-800 model is.  Considering how they’d reached liquid metal by the time of the T-1000, you should know they weren’t cutting corners with the T-800.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 02:31:23 PM
It's not a matter of cutting corners, you've fundamentally misunderstood the mission parameters of the T-800. It's never their role to convincingly infiltrate human society, whereby some scenario may occur that they'd need to demonstrate they had an anus to gain acceptance. It's their role to reach the designated area, rapidly locate their target and Terminate them as quickly as possible - hence the name 'Terminator', rather than 'Infiltrator'.


They're  not hanging around for ages baring their arse at people, its a straight in and out job, the human appearance is merely a superficial disguise so they don't arouse suspicion. Apart that one occasion when its programming malfunctioned, they are NOT glorified anal sex robots or farting mechanical novelties, they are ruthless skilling machines.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 08, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
OK, if he's on a mission in the nude and he drops his keys and has to bend over for them and his buttocks part revealing his anus and its painted on rather than a genuine anus and someone is there at close quarters staring up his arse and sees, this may alert them to the fact he's a terminator and not a real nude man

Perhaps you need to watch Terminator 2 again, but this exactly what happens.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
Perhaps you need to watch Terminator 2 again, but this exactly what happens.


Is that the directors cut?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on June 08, 2018, 03:02:51 PM
If the Terminator doesn't eat, what is its power source? You can't be telling me it has a battery that can power him indefinitely. Conservation of energy and all that.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 03:11:54 PM
The OK-ish Terminator 3 shows that he has a nuclear cell in his chest that powers him.


Terminator 3 is notable because you see a bare lady Terminator, and of course the fanny is painted on.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
It's not a matter of cutting corners, you've fundamentally misunderstood the mission parameters of the T-800. It's never their role to convincingly infiltrate human society, whereby some scenario may occur that they'd need to demonstrate they had an anus to gain acceptance. It's their role to reach the designated area, rapidly locate their target and Terminate them as quickly as possible - hence the name 'Terminator', rather than 'Infiltrator'.

There are several different models of Terminator with different mission parameters and modes of operation.  “Terminator” is the umbrella term for all of them, but that doesn’t mean none of them have to spend time amongst people collecting information, for example.  The T-800 had this function amongst others, it wasn’t simply an in-out human tank.  You are thinking of the earlier models again that lacked human skin.

T-800 units were used in the Wild West, don’t forget.  They had to collect information that wasn’t stored on future hard drives because it was only ever shared verbally; the only way they could do this was by sitting with real cowboys around bonfires and farting.

I am correcting you; you should be grateful that I am putting you right rather than throwing it back in my face.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on June 08, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Does that mean he has steam turbines in there too?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
There are several different models of Terminator with different mission parameters and modes of operation.  “Terminator” is the umbrella term for all of them, but that doesn’t mean none of them have to spend time amongst people collecting information, for example.  The T-800 had this function amongst others, it wasn’t simply an in-out human tank.  You are thinking of the earlier models again that lacked human skin.

T-800 units were used in the Wild West, don’t forget.  They had to collect information that wasn’t stored on future hard drives because it was only ever shared verbally; the only way they could do this was by sitting with real cowboys around bonfires and farting.

I am correcting you; you should be grateful that I am putting you right rather than throwing it back in my face.

EXPLAIN HOW THE TERMINATOR FARTS ITS GOT NO DIGESTIVE TRACT AND DOESNT EAT ANYTHING.

If for some unlikely reason the Terminator needed to simulate a fart, I'm sure his internal speaker has a database of various types of fart noises which he could play.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 03:23:46 PM
Came into this Forum, saw there was a new Terminator thread and it was already two pages and I thought, “Christ, Biggy and Repliess are arguing about anuses again.”

EDIT: three pages?!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
It's not all anuses.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 08, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
It's obvious the T-800 had a proper hole. It was used to store useful things, particularly through the time vortex thing.

If you check the deleted scenes, there's one where you see the Terminator, fresh from being sent back in time, walking up to some people on the street, reaching behind himself and fiddling for a minute before bringing his hand back around cupping a small pile of raisins. "I will swap these for your clothes" he says.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 08, 2018, 03:43:41 PM
Yeah and then he gets bummed.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 03:43:48 PM
It's obvious the T-800 had a proper hole. It was used to store useful things, particularly through the time vortex thing.

If you check the deleted scenes, there's one where you see the Terminator, fresh from being sent back in time, walking up to some people on the street, reaching behind himself and fiddling for a minute before bringing his hand back around cupping a small pile of raisins. "I will swap these for your clothes" he says.


I think you're treating the subject a bit flippantly tbh.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 03:44:10 PM
EXPLAIN HOW THE TERMINATOR FARTS ITS GOT NO DIGESTIVE TRACT AND DOESNT EAT ANYTHING.

“IT’S GOT NO DIGESTIVE TRACT” is not a fact.  I am telling you that the T-800 series has a fully functioning anus and accompanying digestive facilities.  You are thinking of the earlier models, biggy.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 03:47:26 PM
Yes, Reese does say “The older models never went to the loo, they were easy to spot.”
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 03:54:13 PM
“IT’S GOT NO DIGESTIVE TRACT” is not a fact.  I am telling you that the T-800 series has a fully functioning anus and accompanying digestive facilities.  You are thinking of the earlier models, biggy.


You've lost sight of the whole design philosophy of the T-800 - Living tissue over metal exoskeleton. They're just some skin and a certain amount of flesh over a cyborg body, they have no internal organs (I know its a gray area as to whether the anus is an internal organ or not - I say it is, but even if it isnt it would still serve no purpose).


Glad to see you've finally seen sense anyway and we now all agree the Terminators anus must be painted on (please don't image this as some bloke on the assembly line dabbing a black dot on with a paintbrush either, it's a highly realistic ink jet photo of an anus).
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 04:01:24 PM
I bet it’s the robot used to paint the word ‘Picasso’ on the Citroen Xsara Picasso in the ad what does that.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
(I know its a gray area as to whether the anus is an internal organ or not - I say it is, but even if it isnt it would still serve no purpose).

An anus for a T-800 would serve no less a purpose than the eyelids.

And if it’s just “skin” over a metal exoskeleton how would you explain the apparent movement of muscles and other visible things like veins?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 08, 2018, 04:40:52 PM
I think you're treating the subject a bit flippantly tbh.

I assure you, I am giving the subject as much respect as the producers of the sequels do.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Perhaps, like the at least 5 different actors who've played John Connor, Terminators have several anuses, all slightly different but just similar enough to make you be able to convince yourself they're the same?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 04:47:40 PM
Perhaps, like the at least 5 different actors who've played John Connor, Terminators have several anuses, all slightly different but just similar enough to make you be able to convince yourself they're the same?

I’d be willing to accept that there is a T-800a variant or somesuch, that only needs to maintain the appearance of an anus but not the deeper ability to eat, fart or shit.  The difference would be that these have an anus that leads to a short “sock” of a rectum rather than an entire intestinal tract and complete digestive system.  These variants would also have a shortened “sock” of a throat area.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on June 08, 2018, 04:48:52 PM
I bet it’s the robot used to paint the word ‘Picasso’ on the Citroen Xsara Picasso in the ad what does that.

pic ARSE HOLE
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on June 08, 2018, 05:37:25 PM
Action Man has no cock so why are you all obsessed with the Terminator having one.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 08, 2018, 05:41:14 PM
Action Man does have a cock.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 06:01:13 PM
Action Man has no cock so why are you all obsessed with the Terminator having one.

An anus isn’t a cock?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 06:09:40 PM
I’d be willing to accept that there is a T-800a variant or somesuch, that only needs to maintain the appearance of an anus but not the deeper ability to eat, fart or shit.  The difference would be that these have an anus that leads to a short “sock” of a rectum rather than an entire intestinal tract and complete digestive system.  These variants would also have a shortened “sock” of a throat area.


There has only ever been one mission in the history of the Terminator programme that required a Terminator to fart and they simply equipped it with a whoopy cushion saving millions of dollars in R&D costs.


I still find it amazing you fail to grasp the basic concept of the terminator, it's not meant to be detailed replica of a human, its a cyborg assassin equipped with the minimum disguise required to allow it to pass unnoticed as it hunts its target. Therefore it would be over gilding the lily to equip it with a complex mechanical anus at the cost of pushing the per unit price up and potentially making it uncompetitive against rival terminator manufacturers. This is just basic business, I imagine if you were in charge of cyberdyne industries the terminator would end up like homers car, full of pointless extravagant features that make no sense and would bankrupt the company within a few months.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 06:23:25 PM
I still find it amazing you fail to grasp the basic concept of the terminator, it's not meant to be detailed replica of a human, its a cyborg assassin equipped with the minimum disguise required to allow it to pass unnoticed as it hunts its target.

Then why does it need functioning eyelids, muscle structure, visible veins and a belly button?

And how does the inside of the mouth end?  How far does it go back?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 06:44:20 PM
It's the same stunt double that they used for Genisys.  As you can see, he looks a lot more like Schwarzenegger once he's shaved and styled his hair...

(https://i.imgur.com/k32NF5l.jpg?1)

Hardly worth it.

(https://veeztv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20160608110207-14.jpg)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 08, 2018, 07:14:00 PM
Does Data from the Star Treks have a real batty? We know he has a working cock and balls because he shagged Tasha Yar, meaning even the android managed to get his hole more times than Geordi La Forge.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 07:35:13 PM
Then why does it need functioning eyelids, muscle structure, visible veins and a belly button?

And how does the inside of the mouth end?  How far does it go back?


Because its trying to pass of as credibly human and those are things you might see, whereas its highly unlikely you'd see his anus during normal operations unless it malfunctioned and began splaying it buttocks at passer-byes. I acknowledge this is a possibility but surely you recognise all technology can go wrong?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on June 08, 2018, 07:41:08 PM
Does Data from the Star Treks have a real batty? We know he has a working cock and balls because he shagged Tasha Yar, meaning even the android managed to get his hole more times than Geordi La Forge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FVMHJReKk&t=2m34s
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 07:44:56 PM
Because its trying to pass of as credibly human and those are things you might see, whereas its highly unlikely you'd see his anus during normal operations unless it malfunctioned and began splaying it buttocks at passer-byes. I acknowledge this is a possibility but surely you recognise all technology can go wrong?

A T-800 could pass as credibly human without additional muscle structure (which would require more than only skin being applied to the metal endoskeleton) and visible veins (likewise).

Respond to all my other points or admit that T-800 units are fitted with functioning anuses.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 08, 2018, 08:05:21 PM
Does Data from the Star Treks have a real batty? We know he has a working cock and balls because he shagged Tasha Yar

I suspect Tasha was into pegging, so... probably.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Malcy on June 08, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
Does Data from the Star Treks have a real batty? We know he has a working cock and balls because he shagged Tasha Yar, meaning even the android managed to get his hole more times than Geordi La Forge.

And likely Jenna & The Borg Queen. He did well. Mind you, Crusher got Ashley Judd in her prime. Jammy bastard.

Anyway Terminator. Can't be arsed with another one. I enjoyed 3, Salvation was OK and i quite liked Genisys but we don't need another. Let it lie. Too many franchises rebooting and changing the past. Getting fairly sick of it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 09:28:10 PM
The Sarah Connor Chronicles episode "Vic's Chip" featured a Terminator who either married a woman - or replaced her husband convincingly, I forget - and who was (to quote Data) "fully functional, and programmed in multiple techniques." Which could potentially have involved pegging, sp he'd need an anus as well as meat & two veg. He killed her eventually, of course, but I don't think it was by robotically pounding her to death. Might have been, can't remember.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: olliebean on June 08, 2018, 09:32:21 PM
Fucksake.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 08, 2018, 09:37:47 PM
The Sarah Connor Chronicles episode "Vic's Chip" featured a Terminator who either married a woman - or replaced her husband convincingly, I forget - and who was (to quote Data) "fully functional, and programmed in multiple techniques." Which could potentially have involved pegging, sp he'd need an anus as well as meat & two veg. He killed her eventually, of course, but I don't think it was by robotically pounding her to death. Might have been, can't remember.


Could be a special model, I see no need for the standard Terminator to have this functionality.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
Damnation. Was hoping we'd put this argument to bed finally. I guess he could have been a special model. The T-869.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 08, 2018, 10:02:47 PM
Could be a special model, I see no need for the standard Terminator to have this functionality.

Mass production mate. One has it, they all have to have it. Wouldn't be practical having to retool the production line every time they needed a farting Terminator or what not.

However, I will concede that they may just place a blanking panel, like on car dashboards that don't have all the features.

(https://twstatic.net/attachments/switches-jpg.252543/)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 08, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
We already know this as in the flash-forwards they don't even bother putting skin on most of them, and they've got no willys either.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 10:12:45 PM
Perhaps they're modular, like Thunderbird 2. "We'll need an anus and wedding tackle for this one!"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 08, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
However, I will concede that they may just place a blanking panel, like on car dashboards that don't have all the features.

Correct.  The default model obviously has a fully functioning anus as previously discussed.  But you get the occasional one that has to have its skin burned off ludicrously easily so that it can be a scary metal skellington more quickly.  I'll agree that Skynet probably doesn't bother fitting those up with most of the features you can't see from the front.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 08, 2018, 11:22:19 PM
I'd like any new one to have a bit more of technical foreshadowing in it, like they did in Halt and Catch Fire. Most cunts today keep holding elon musk up as the tech cunt to worry about but I bet skynet turns out to be either google or amazon; they both do some stuff for the government and if amazon infrastructure goes down it can fuck up the entire internet.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 08, 2018, 11:38:56 PM
I wonder if anyone’s ever tried to copyright “Skynet“ just like some twunts did with “cyberspace.”
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 09, 2018, 12:38:41 AM
Hardly worth it.

(https://veeztv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20160608110207-14.jpg)

Mate.

According to you but not according to the people who are paid the big bucks, know what they're talking about and how best to achieve the desired end result.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 09, 2018, 12:51:56 AM
Mate.

According to you but not according to the people who are paid the big bucks, know what they're talking about and how best to achieve the desired end result.

We were talking about choosing somebody with a similar face and hairstyle.  The two bits that are completely different.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Goldentony on June 09, 2018, 02:27:46 AM
why the fucking hell are they bothering with this? the last good Terminator film was in 199 fucking arsewiping 2 and since then you've had three utter shitters with Arnold plonking about doing comedy smiles and a cavalcade of bellend slits as the support. Did the last one even make money? They've got a lower hitrate than Police Academy and Rocky. Is this like Hellraiser where they have to keep making them or they'll lose the rights to it?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 09, 2018, 02:32:04 AM
We were talking about choosing somebody with a similar face and hairstyle.  The two bits that are completely different.

The CGI artists are using the stunt double's head as a basis to model their work on top of (think of it as an initial pencil sketch of a face, which will then be used as a foundation for a fully coloured painting).  If they weren't using the stunt double's head and face as a foundation, then they would have the stunt double wear a green balaclava on top of their head, so that they could comp it out in post-production.

It helps to have the stunt double's face resemble the actor who the artists are trying to replicate.  You might think that in this particular case, the resemblance is fleeting (which is true because in this instance, they prioritised a body double over a face double).  However, there's a reason why the production team asked the stunt double to shave his beard off and cut his hair to roughly the same length as Schwarzenegger's.

Is this like Hellraiser where they have to keep making them or they'll lose the rights to it?

In the case of Terminator Genisys, this was literally the case.  I guess that now that the I.P. has returned to Cameron, he figures that he may be able to add a few more bucks to his pre-exsisting mountain of cash.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on June 09, 2018, 05:05:45 AM

Could be a special model, I see no need for the standard Terminator to have this functionality.

sperminator
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on June 09, 2018, 05:09:09 AM
I wonder if anyone’s ever tried to copyright “Skynet“ just like some twunts did with “cyberspace.”

I pulled apart some damn box at work about twenty years ago, to find out why it had stopped working. in one corner was a switch-mode power supply, the sort you can get on ebay for about twenty quid, that does 5V at several amps, then +12V/-12V at somewhat less. this particular little arseache of a piss-unit was branded 'skynet', & hailed from china via dagenham.

I think I threw it in the lock outside my office window. camden lock, that is, out the back of Mtv.

so yes.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on June 09, 2018, 05:16:42 AM
I'd like any new one to have a bit more of technical foreshadowing in it, like they did in Halt and Catch Fire. Most cunts today keep holding elon musk up as the tech cunt to worry about but I bet skynet turns out to be either google or amazon; they both do some stuff for the government and if amazon infrastructure goes down it can fuck up the entire internet.

that's sort of where the tv show was going, with the shirley manson character & the 'turk' chess computer, which I think was based on a real machine & certainly named after a fake victorian era chess automaton... but it was complicated.... was shirley also from the future, & sent back in time to establish the research facility that became skynet mk2? (i.e. after dyson had stopped his research at cyberdyne in 'T2')

but yes, it badly needs a bit of the stylish exposition that H&CF managed early doors, & fewer bullets. again, the tv show was (possibly because it couldn't afford the spectacular set-pieces) pretty good at this, using summer glau to explain the actually-not-all-that-sinister motives of the machines.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on June 09, 2018, 06:32:55 AM
Machines aren't the enemy mate. It's man

Ahhhhhh!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on June 09, 2018, 07:15:24 AM
why the fucking hell are they bothering with this? the last good Terminator film was in 199 fucking arsewiping 2 and since then you've had three utter shitters with Arnold plonking about doing comedy smiles and a cavalcade of bellend slits as the support. Did the last one even make money? They've got a lower hitrate than Police Academy and Rocky. Is this like Hellraiser where they have to keep making them or they'll lose the rights to it?

Honestly if there going to carry on with stuff like this, Predator and Alien I'd prefer they just remake the originals, at least then you have a decent concept rather than all the bending over backwards to tap into increasingly complex and confused stories these days.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: samadriel on June 09, 2018, 07:20:28 AM
“IT’S GOT NO DIGESTIVE TRACT” is not a fact.  I am telling you that the T-800 series has a fully functioning anus and accompanying digestive facilities.  You are thinking of the earlier models, biggy.

Perhaps you forgot Reese's line in the first Terminator:

"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. It's got no digestive tract.  And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 09, 2018, 08:07:22 AM
sperminator


That's the informal codename for that model yes.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 09, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
Perhaps you forgot Reese's line in the first Terminator:

"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. It's got no digestive tract.  And it absolutely will not fart, ever, until you are dead!"

FTFY. A lot of people mishear that bit.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 09, 2018, 10:23:57 AM
Perhaps you forgot Reese's line in the first Terminator:

"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. It's got no digestive tract.  And it absolutely will not fart, ever, until you are dead! And it's anus is painted on aswell."


Still not quite right, fixed it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 09, 2018, 10:35:09 AM
Perhaps you forgot Reese's line in the first Terminator:

"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. This one has a fully functional digestive tract so that it can blend into human environments where it might be expected to eat apples or crisps or what have you.  And don’t assume it can’t fart, Sarah, because it can.  The T-600 series had painted-on anuses but not these ones.  We’ve lost so many resistance fighters who saw the real anus of a T-800 unit and assumed they had nothing to fear."

It’s taken a long time but I’ve finally bashed this draft into something correct.  You can thank me later.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: New Jack on June 09, 2018, 11:48:25 AM
At least the film, no matter how terrible it may be, will be funnier than this thread
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: saltysnacks on June 09, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
Terminators poo, you're forgetting the famous scene where the T-800 unloads a monster turd,  so as to be able to run faster. One of the more terrifying scenes in horror cinema.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 09, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
At least the film, no matter how terrible it may be, will be funnier than this thread

You’re funnier than this thread, more like.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Operty1 on June 09, 2018, 01:25:29 PM
In the first film it’s stated that the terminator is an infiltration unit. Gives the game away a bit making them 6 foot 6 inch body builders, did nobody in the resistance question where they got that much protein to maintain those gains?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 09, 2018, 01:59:48 PM
At least the film, no matter how terrible it may be, will be funnier than this thread


At least it doesn't have a painted on anus like you do (and the T-800)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 09, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
At least the film, no matter how terrible it may be, will be funnier than this thread

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-03/3/15/enhanced/webdr07/anigif_enhanced-25359-1425414197-26.gif?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 09, 2018, 09:43:18 PM
Terminators poo, you're forgetting the famous scene where the T-800 unloads a monster turd,  so as to be able to run faster. One of the more terrifying scenes in horror cinema.

There's that scene where the landlord complains about the smell, which basically proves your statement true.

"Buddy you got a dead cat in there?"
"Nnngh, leave me alone! Stop doing this, you're always doing this, you're making it go back in!!!"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 09, 2018, 10:19:59 PM
if a terminator could shit, I reckon it'd have to phone the waterboard and tell them to get the big knives out. Unless it was one of them molten metal ones, but they seemed quite inconsiderate, would probably be fine with leaving a pan full of bangers and mash.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 09, 2018, 10:49:54 PM
There was a rumour at one point during production of the first Terminator film that James Cameron was planning on making the T-800 addicted to the exact same sex pheromone that we see Richie and Eddie buying in the first episode of series 1 of 'Bottom'.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: spamwangler on June 09, 2018, 10:50:56 PM
Ruined.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 09, 2018, 11:13:53 PM
I was 8 during the run up to the original Terminator and I remember there was a Barry Norman film '84 special where they focused on the special effects on the film and how they'd painted the anus on the T-800 to save money, and how Cameron had rewritten the script in order to incorporate the fact this model of Terminator had a painted on anus as a money saving measure.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: samadriel on June 10, 2018, 05:18:13 AM
Does Arnold Schwarzenegger have a real anus?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 10, 2018, 05:50:15 AM
Does Arnold Schwarzenegger have a real anus?

He claims that he does but also says that he stores it in a vault for safe keeping.  Only he knows the combination, so who knows (other than Schwarzenegger himself)?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SavageHedgehog on June 10, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
I'm cautiously, maybe not quite optimistic, but at least intrigued by this. I know all of film and maybe even human history has taught us not to think this way, but that Cameron is reviving it so soon after the previous film got a commercial and emotional shrug from all and sundry (outside of China) has me hoping that he's had an interesting story or at least concept percolating in his brain all those years that he didn't have the rights. Not too impressed/interested in all the CGIing people to make them look like their 1991 selves business, but hopefully that's a scene or two and not the crux of it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 10, 2018, 11:22:30 AM
He claims that he does but also says that he stores it in a vault for safe keeping.  Only he knows the combination, so who knows (other than Schwarzenegger himself)?

What is the combination to Arnold Schwarzenegger's anus?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 10, 2018, 11:32:35 AM
I was 8 during the run up to the original Terminator and I remember there was a Barry Norman film '84 special where they focused on the special effects on the film and how they'd painted the anus on the T-800 to save money, and how Cameron had rewritten the script in order to incorporate the fact this model of Terminator had a painted on anus as a money saving measure.

Oh yes; I would have been four years old at the time, but my Dad taped that Barry Norman '84 special, and I somehow ended up watching it roughly four years later when I was also eight, or maybe a bit older, probably nine or ten when my cognitive abilities would have been slightly sharper than your eight year old ones.

In that special I distinctly remember James Cameron using a hollow biro tube to indicate various body parts of the T-800; he indicated the eyes, which he tapped very sharply with the biro tube (remember that bit?  Cameron calling the T-800 an "unblinking motherfucker!!"), some parts of the skull where metal was showing (he made some crass joke about wishing his sister-in-law would suffer the same fate), the frontal genital or "penis and testicles" (as I learned they were called because of this feature), and of course the real anus of the T-800. 

Cameron explained at length about how the T-800 would need a real anus within the reality of the film, but 'behind the scenes' they were uncertain as to whether they should mould the anus properly or simply paint it on, since most of the anus shots of the T-800 in the first film would be purely aesthetic rather than functional.  This might be where your confusion with the painted-on anus came from originally? 

Moments later though James Cameron took his biro tube and inserted it swiftly up the T-800's anus, indicating that they had indeed moulded it realistically and not simply painted it on, as "the camera never lies" and "sharp-eyed viewers of the late 20th century would immediately spot a painted-on anus, in the same way that we are programmed to recognise when faces aren't real".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 10, 2018, 11:36:35 AM
that Cameron is reviving it so soon after the previous film got a commercial and emotional shrug from all and sundry (outside of China) has me hoping that he's had an interesting story or at least concept percolating in his brain all those years that he didn't have the rights.

How long will Cameron retain the rights now that he has them?  I'd like to think that the timing of this film relates to creative decisions rather than a need to plough forward before somebody else gains the rights to make Terminator stuff.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Default to the negative on June 10, 2018, 06:35:43 PM
I am going to give you both the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is actually a wry lampoon of the way that people tend to go over the same old talking points in discussions of tired franchises like Terminator, Aliens, etc.

What are your thoughts?

I think it will be... not good!

The public already indicated their disinterest when Genisys flopped. And that was only three years ago. I doubt audiences will have changed their minds when 2019 comes around.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 10, 2018, 07:21:19 PM
David Foster Williams piece arguing why Terminator 1 is better than Terminator 2. (https://www.scribd.com/doc/14994144/David-Foster-Wallace-F-X-Porn#scribd) I think he's too harsh on T2, but as a T1-lover I agree with the general thrust, especially the lameness of the father-son bonding stuff, and his praise for T1's mood: "the dense, greasy, marvelously machinelike look of T1's mechanized F/X" and the "noirish lighting and Dexedrine pace".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on June 10, 2018, 10:29:02 PM
David Foster Williams piece arguing why Terminator 1 is better than Terminator 2. (https://www.scribd.com/doc/14994144/David-Foster-Wallace-F-X-Porn#scribd) I think he's too harsh on T2, but as a T1-lover I agree with the general thrust, especially the lameness of the father-son bonding stuff, and his praise for T1's mood: "the dense, greasy, marvelously machinelike look of T1's mechanized F/X" and the "noirish lighting and Dexedrine pace".

agreed, he's a bit hard on it, but I suppose he's compensating for the flick's massive box-office & critical success. how many oscars? I'd forgotten that... I remember reading that its catering budget was bigger than the entire budget for some other biggish movie that year.

in one of the annoying footnotes, he makes a good point, or starts to anyway, about GAH & cameron's handling of female leads. we sat in the office just the other night & watched the first two 'alien' movies back-to-back (we have them in the library at work, & they were playing out on the spanish channel; a few months ago when they first came in, we watched all four in one sitting).

weaver actually saves both flicks- the first, because of scott's (usual) inept handling of actors- she does what she does in spite of the director, not because of him, while he's dicking around with the props... & the second because cameron gives her the camera so often, & lets her act. despite all the set-piece effects stuff, there are loads of close-ups in 'aliens'. it's not aged well, but it's still a cracking flick.

& back to T2... the development of hamilton's character is deftly handled, given that there's little scope (in the context of the story he's trying to tell) for exploration of the intervening years. this is where the other flicks (soon, hopefully, to be declared non-canon) fail miserably.

I'd argue that the strong female lead is essential to making the audience consider how skynet comes about. indeed LH has a speech in T2 that addresses this directly; it's almost as if the blokes that made ROTM, salivation & the one with peter gabriel just fast-forwarded through this part (the immediate aftermath of the shooting at dyson's home), like it didn't matter. it's the whole fucking point, at least in cameron's opinion, same as when sig-wev goes into one about 'the corporation' in the alien flicks. in ROTM, these concerns are reduced to a cypher, while the 'we must do something feminist' bit is addressed by having a female terminator in a leather catsuit. ffs.

back to DFW- he's critical, in a negative way, of the huge 'risk' that the studio took in paying for so much CGI (& he also finds this ironic, given the flick's topic, & this is just silly of him), as though the studio execs didn't know what they were doing. he's almost "what if it hadn't paid off?", but his whole schtick is predicated on that  I've got DFW's book, pimped at the base of this piece, & I found it smug & annoying for the most part

he finds furlong irritating... "rooting vigorously for him to be Terminated". well, get up & walk out then, chump. but that's John Connor. there are, to be fair, a couple of bits where the lad is clearly a bit self-conscious.

he also (in another of the annoying footnotes that break up his prose) complains about arnie's insistence on the plot twist of the 101 coming back as the good guy; not only does he think this is "ungrateful" of arnie, whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean, but he bitches that it was telegraphed & spoiled the movie for the audience.
well, I've got news for him- it didn't spoil it for me, & hamilton's reactions to the 101 when she first sees it & at later points in the movie are pitch-perfect. I didn't find it cheesy at all.
the cheesy bit is the thumb-up at the very end, &... well, it's a blockbuster movie, not a fucking documentary.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: bgmnts on June 10, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
EXPLAIN HOW THE TERMINATOR FARTS ITS GOT NO DIGESTIVE TRACT AND DOESNT EAT ANYTHING.

If for some unlikely reason the Terminator needed to simulate a fart, I'm sure his internal speaker has a database of various types of fart noises which he could play.

It can have a little compartment just inside its anus that releases a fart every once in a while no?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gradual Decline on June 10, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
Hope the new Terminator can spunk off.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on June 10, 2018, 11:52:39 PM
Hope the new Terminator can spunk off.

"I have detailed files on human anatomy"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 11, 2018, 12:10:16 AM
Hope the new Terminator can spunk off.

In the 40 Watt range, yes.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 11, 2018, 07:06:33 AM
Hope the new Terminator can spunk off.


The Terminator is not a sex toy.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 11, 2018, 07:11:35 AM

The Terminator is not a sex toy.

Oh please, the grown adults buying Terminator figurines can call them 'collectables' all they want but let's face it, they're sex toys.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: AsparagusTrevor on June 11, 2018, 08:34:13 AM
I am going to give you both the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is actually a wry lampoon of the way that people tend to go over the same old talking points in discussions of tired franchises like Terminator, Aliens, etc.

I think that's extremely generous of you.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 21, 2018, 06:44:42 PM
New set photos, for all three people who give a shit...

(https://i.imgur.com/MA1Hota.jpg?1)

Christine Hamilton makes her eagerly awaited return to the Terminator franchise.

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(https://i.imgur.com/eV73yDW.jpg?1)

Mackenzie Crook has never looked better!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 21, 2018, 07:02:47 PM
That hairstyle is all wrong, are they going to CGI the ponytail too?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Malcy on June 21, 2018, 10:03:09 PM
I enjoyed Genisys for the most part so looking forward to the new one a bit but not as excited as i would have been years ago.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Operty1 on June 22, 2018, 05:24:29 PM
Is Arnie still going to be in this? He's still recovering from open heart surgery, perhaps he'll just be purely CGI. Or perhaps Skynet has programmed the Terminators to not only age (like Pops in the last movie) but also to have coronary problems.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 22, 2018, 06:14:31 PM
Is Arnie still going to be in this? He's still recovering from open heart surgery, perhaps he'll just be purely CGI. Or perhaps Skynet has programmed the Terminators to not only age (like Pops in the last movie) but also to have coronary problems.

Yeah, Schwarzenegger's in this, as a part of the care in the community programme.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 22, 2018, 11:23:27 PM
Mackenzie Crook is great in everything she does.

It still seems like a film that shouldn't be made though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on June 22, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
I was 8 during the run up to the original Terminator and I remember there was a Barry Norman film '84 special where they focused on the special effects on the film and how they'd painted the anus on the T-800 to save money, and how Cameron had rewritten the script in order to incorporate the fact this model of Terminator had a painted on anus as a money saving measure.

I videoed the terminator 2 when it was broadcast on bbc and happened to be off sick the next day so watched it. It shat me right up because the 1997 judgement day was right around the corner.

28 10 I was.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 23, 2018, 12:48:31 AM
Mackenzie Crook is great in everything she does.

I like to imagine him playing her character in The Martian. And BR2049.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on June 23, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
A little scooping up of all what is known so far

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/terminator/58583/terminator-6-what-we-know-so-far
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 23, 2018, 09:10:35 PM
A little scooping up of all what is known so far

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/terminator/58583/terminator-6-what-we-know-so-far

Quote
When Terminator was announced last year, one of the stories that emerged was that its producers were looking for a new heroine to lead the film. “We’re starting a search for an 18-something young woman to essentially be the new centrepiece of these stories," Cameron told THR.

Is "18-something" an American thing or is Cameron going senile?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on June 23, 2018, 09:19:40 PM
Is "18-something" an American thing or is Cameron going senile?

I guess he meant it the same way you'd say 30-something. So she's aged anywhere between the start of her 18s and the end of her 18s. So 18.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 24, 2018, 10:04:41 AM
I guess he meant it the same way you'd say 30-something. So she's aged anywhere between the start of her 18s and the end of her 18s. So 18.

I assumed that's what he meant, but is it an established American Thing to say that or is he going senile?  I MUST KNOW.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: colacentral on June 24, 2018, 11:31:06 AM
At this point if I lived in that universe I'd be more concerned about all the time travelling going on than the killer robots.

Have one where they enter the date wrong and go to the Renaissance or something.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 24, 2018, 11:38:35 AM
They already did one where the terminator was sent to Edwardian times http://www.funkytv.com/video/view/337
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on June 24, 2018, 02:33:58 PM
I assumed that's what he meant, but is it an established American Thing to say that or is he going senile?  I MUST KNOW.

Nah it sounds wrong to me too, maybe Cameron is just doing his own sequel to Ridley Scott's senility.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: olliebean on June 24, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
Is "18-something" an American thing or is Cameron going senile?

Probably means the character is 18 but they're going to do the usual thing of casting someone who's quite obviously in her mid-20s.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 24, 2018, 07:29:13 PM
It probably means “any actress within the age range likely to be attractive to 18-year-old boys,” the only demographic that Hollywood has any interest in targeting.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 03, 2018, 05:22:42 PM
For some reason I've found myswelf recently thinking about Terminator timelines. I thought I'd set them out here as there are a couple of things I'm not sure about.

Timeline 1

- Basically, T1 and T2 together. According to the T2 novelisation, the T2 T-800 was sent back straight after Kyle Reese.
- But there are several sub-timelines...

Timeline 1A

- This is the happy-ever-after post-T2 timeline. Never actually depicted onscreen, though I think there was a T2 epilogue written (and maybe filmed) with an aging, reflective Sarah Connor looking back on things. JC is a Senator in the future, and JD never happened.

Timeline 1B

- The T3 timeline. Judgement Day still happens, just later than expected and via the magic of computer viruses and distributed computing.

Timeline 1C

- The TSCC timeline. Which itself has at least two branches, given the version of Derek Reese's future girlfriend comes back in time from an altered future he himself doesn't recall. The future that JC and the Shirley Manson T-1000 go forward to may also be yet another branch, we never got to find out.

Timeline 1D

- The new film's, T6's, timeline.
- The thing that always bugged me about T2 is, the T-1000 seems totally unconcerned about the attempts by JC & SC to stop JD happening. What does it know that we don't? Did it do something to ensure Skynet would still happen? It'd be nice if the new film addressed this, but I'm not holding my breath.

Initially I struggled to figure out where T4 and T5 fit in. But as far as I can recall neither references anything from T2, so...

Timeline 2

- The T4 aka Salvation timeline. This is essentially the future that would have unfolded had there never been any Terminator sequels! JC is born, goes into hiding, thetre is NO attempt by anyone to prevent JD, which happens, JC starts his rise towards being the eventual saviour of mankind. T4 is set in 2018, when his star is still on the ascendant, with the eventual victory still in the future (2029 wasn't it? I always get it mixed up with then Blade Runner is set, but thanks to that one's sequel I know it's 2019).

Timeline 3

- The T5 aka Genisys timeline. Which is such a mess I don't even know where to start! KR is sent back, but then things go wrong rapidly; so, the T2 T-800 is never sent back - or rather he is, but to save young SC instead, and by whom and what sort of future was never revealed, and never will be now the proposed sequels have been scrapped.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 03, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VpasxDw.jpg?1)

Timeline 1A

- This is the happy-ever-after post-T2 timeline. Never actually depicted onscreen, though I think there was a T2 epilogue written (and maybe filmed) with an aging, reflective Sarah Connor looking back on things. JC is a Senator in the future, and JD never happened.

The alternate ending in question. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEpjgFZpAt0)  Complete with dodgy old person makeup and bizarre Michael Jackson reference.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: monolith on August 03, 2018, 05:54:32 PM


The thing that always bugged me about T2 is, the T-1000 seems totally unconcerned about the attempts by JC & SC to stop JD happening. What does it know that we don't? Did it do something to ensure Skynet would still happen? It'd be nice if the new film addressed this, but I'm not holding my breath.
For me the antagonists in the first two films are so scary because of the absolute single mindedness of their mission: To kill Sarah Connor/John Connor. I think adding a concern about stopping Judgement Day would have taken something away from them.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on August 03, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VpasxDw.jpg?1)
The alternate ending in question. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEpjgFZpAt0)  Complete with dodgy old person makeup and bizarre Michael Jackson reference.


Is the one in the middle a morphing Terminator that has gone wrong?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 03, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
The alternate ending in question. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEpjgFZpAt0)  Complete with dodgy old person makeup and bizarre Michael Jackson reference.

So they did film it! I wasn't sure. Laughable future fashions there; in fact somebody in the background had MC Hammer trousers on...

For me the antagonists in the first two films are so scary because of the absolute single mindedness of their mission: To kill Sarah Connor/John Connor. I think adding a concern about stopping Judgement Day would have taken something away from them.

Oh, definitely. I just wonder if he (it?) did something, like for instance when checking the Dysons' house and it was obvious they'd been there, but had all left, and destroyed all the records there before they did. That seemed an odd scene to include, sure it shows how he's still doggedly on their tail, but then he also somehow catches up really quickly later on.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 03, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VpasxDw.jpg?1)

Very poor photoshop effort.  The two on the left look like they're walking into shot; Sarah Connor is just standing.


Complete with dodgy old person makeup

Ha, yes!  Smacks somewhat of the Back to the Future Part 2 "HELLO WE ARE OLD PEOPLE 'eeeeeeeeuuuurgh' this is how old people sound and they are hunched over".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 03, 2018, 07:54:33 PM
Ha, yes!  Smacks somewhat of the Back to the Future Part 2 "HELLO WE ARE OLD PEOPLE 'eeeeeeeeuuuurgh' this is how old people sound and they are hunched over".

See also; Guy Pearce in Prometheus.  Possibly the worst old person makeup that I've ever seen in a big budget film and he also does the whole "eeeeeeeeuuuurgh" thing, to an eye-rollingly ludicrous degree.  Why is it that filmmakers and actors have seemingly learnt absolutely nothing from the subtle makeup and performance of Max von Sydow in The Exorcist?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Johnny Textface on August 03, 2018, 08:07:44 PM
There is simply not enough depth in these characters or world to create more films. The Terminator was a tight genre flick. Ok T2 just about got away with it, but there's just not enough there for more. So stop it.  Fuck Hollywood.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 03, 2018, 08:48:21 PM
There is simply not enough depth in these characters or world to create more films. The Terminator was a tight genre flick. Ok T2 just about got away with it, but there's just not enough there for more. So stop it.  Fuck Hollywood.

Verily this person knows what's up.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on August 03, 2018, 09:41:44 PM
There is simply not enough depth in these characters or world to create more films. The Terminator was a tight genre flick. Ok T2 just about got away with it, but there's just not enough there for more. So stop it.  Fuck Hollywood.

+1
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on August 03, 2018, 10:02:08 PM
So they did film it! I wasn't sure. Laughable future fashions there; in fact somebody in the background had MC Hammer trousers on...

Fascinating clip but the visual take on a pleasant future North America made me want to watch Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey and imagine it's Terminator 3, with De Nomolos' Evil Bill & Ted robots being the next in line to the T-1000 for reasons I haven't yet thought through.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 03, 2018, 10:23:35 PM
The various deleted scenes for Terminator 2 almost make its tightness and success feel like a fluke.  Even the generally lauded mirror scene has incredibly clunky, on-the-nose dialogue when John and Sarah are discussing whether to destroy the chip.  It could very easily have ended up a much stupider film.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 04, 2018, 12:07:02 AM
The various deleted scenes for Terminator 2 almost make its tightness and success feel like a fluke.  Even the generally lauded mirror scene has incredibly clunky, on-the-nose dialogue when John and Sarah are discussing whether to destroy the chip.  It could very easily have ended up a much stupider film.

Ehh.  Count me in as one of those whom likes the mirror scene (though admittedly, some of that is down to technical appreciation).  Yes, the dialogue is somewhat clunky and on-the-nose but, hey, it's James Cameron dialogue, so it's par for the course.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: monolith on August 04, 2018, 09:24:44 AM
The various deleted scenes for Terminator 2 almost make its tightness and success feel like a fluke.  Even the generally lauded mirror scene has incredibly clunky, on-the-nose dialogue when John and Sarah are discussing whether to destroy the chip.  It could very easily have ended up a much stupider film.
For years the only copy you could get on DVD was the one where they have all the extra scenes in and they are impossible to remove from a normal play through of the film. Put me right off the film for years as they add nothing and completely disrupt the flow of the film.

Saw the proper version recently without all the added shit and had forgotten how much I like it as I’d had the extended abomination in my head for years as it was the only version I had. It’s amazing how just ten to fifteen minutes of extra footage can totally fuck up the feel and pacing of a film and make it so much less.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 04, 2018, 09:30:44 AM
In fact the DVD of Terminator 2 I have is the Special Edition with all the added shit; I was unaware they’d released a DVD with both versions presented as options, but I did check every now and then.  Has this happened, or is it exclusively on BluRay or region 1 DVD?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: monolith on August 04, 2018, 09:33:51 AM
In fact the DVD of Terminator 2 I have is the Special Edition with all the added shit; I was unaware they’d released a DVD with both versions presented as options, but I did check every now and then.  Has this happened, or is it exclusively on BluRay or region 1 DVD?
The version I watched was an HD rented Amazon Prime version. I was completely expecting the shitty extended version and it was a lovely surprise to remember how perfect it is without all the other shit.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: BJBMK2 on August 04, 2018, 10:45:02 AM
The Region 2 Blu Ray has the option to toggle between the orginal theratrical version, and the crappy longer version.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 04, 2018, 10:59:42 PM
They should give me a free Blu-Ray drive if they're going to insist on not putting out such things on DVD.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on August 04, 2018, 11:22:34 PM
The various deleted scenes for Terminator 2 almost make its tightness and success feel like a fluke. 

Er, not really - that's how editing works. You film a lot of extraneous stuff just in case the film would (somehow) work better with a spot of exposition or a comedy bit or whatever else, then you see what works in the editing room. When you know what your final film is going to look like, you do reshoots to cover the gaps and push it out the door.

It's no more a fluke than any good painting in the Tate is a fluke - things are adjusted and "painted over" all along the creative process. It's just a sign that Cameron is (or was) such a brilliant director that it seems so natural.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 05, 2018, 01:11:24 AM
Er, not really - that's how editing works. You film a lot of extraneous stuff just in case the film would (somehow) work better with a spot of exposition or a comedy bit or whatever else, then you see what works in the editing room. When you know what your final film is going to look like, you do reshoots to cover the gaps and push it out the door.

It's no more a fluke than any good painting in the Tate is a fluke - things are adjusted and "painted over" all along the creative process. It's just a sign that Cameron is (or was) such a brilliant director that it seems so natural.

Correct.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Artemis on August 05, 2018, 02:09:44 AM
There is simply not enough depth in these characters or world to create more films.

The Terminator franchise has never existed because of the characters, though. It’s the premise that keeps it afloat; the basic ‘machine vs human’and dystopian ‘machines take over’ scenario. The characters are almost superfluous. Their only job is not to get in the way, and ideally add to the storyline.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Johnny Textface on August 05, 2018, 02:43:03 AM
Well the premise has been done no?  Are you really saying the character of The Terminator is superfluous?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on August 05, 2018, 03:06:27 AM
Well the premise has been done no?

that's the thing about time-travel movies, though. you can just keep making them over & over again & either incorporate or erase the events & characters of the previous flicks. if you dwell on it for too long, skynet comes out of it looking pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Alberon on August 05, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
So is this the first of a trilogy then?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 05, 2018, 04:46:23 PM
that's the thing about time-travel movies, though. you can just keep making them over & over again

Phew!!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 05, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
Er, not really - that's how editing works. You film a lot of extraneous stuff just in case the film would (somehow) work better with a spot of exposition or a comedy bit or whatever else, then you see what works in the editing room. When you know what your final film is going to look like, you do reshoots to cover the gaps and push it out the door.

It's no more a fluke than any good painting in the Tate is a fluke - things are adjusted and "painted over" all along the creative process. It's just a sign that Cameron is (or was) such a brilliant director that it seems so natural.

I'm fairly sure it was only a matter of running time that kept the mirror scene - with its incredibly clunky and on-the-nose dialogue - out of the final film.  If initial edits of Terminator 2 had been shorter, it would have stayed in.

I'm not interested in quibbling over use of the word 'fluke'; I'm just saying that Terminator 2 could have very easily ended up as a much stupider film, and it was pretty much a toss-of-a-coin's difference away from being significantly less of a classic movie.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 05, 2018, 06:15:02 PM
So is this the first of a trilogy then?

Salvation was (intended to be) the first of a trilogy. Genisys likewise was also the first of another trilogy. So in answer to your question: is it likely to matter if it is..?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mjwilson on August 05, 2018, 08:46:11 PM
The Terminator franchise has never existed

Now you're talking.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 05, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
Ah, the Butterfly Effect ending. Looper already did it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 06, 2018, 02:14:09 AM
I'm not interested in quibbling over use of the word 'fluke'; I'm just saying that Terminator 2 could have very easily ended up as a much stupider film, and it was pretty much a toss-of-a-coin's difference away from being significantly less of a classic movie.

As someone whom does editing myself, I can categorically tell you that the process is anything but a fluke.  It's not a coin toss, it's purposeful, as much as the directorial process.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: monolith on August 06, 2018, 09:43:57 AM
There's a huge amount of footage that isn't used in every movie ever made. If you use the same logic then every decent film is a fluke.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 06, 2018, 11:21:47 AM
As someone whom does editing myself, I can categorically tell you that the process is anything but a fluke.  It's not a coin toss, it's purposeful, as much as the directorial process.

I think I'm being misunderstood for some reason.  I am aware of the nuances of film and audio editing.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 06, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
There's a huge amount of footage that isn't used in every movie ever made. If you use the same logic then every decent film is a fluke.

Not really; I was talking specifically about deleted scenes where it's clear the writing isn't very good, and where their presence draws attention to the rest of the film's passable-but-borderline dialogue in a negative way.  Maybe there are further examples of exactly this; I would be interested to hear them.

Besides which, the special edition of Terminator 2 still seems to be the only version available on DVD, so it seems someone was content to give us a shit version of the film in the original's place.  This isn't as hypothetical as every decent film has a potential badly-edited one.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bad Ambassador on August 06, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
The blu-ray contains all three versions.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 06, 2018, 11:49:46 AM
The blu-ray contains all three versions.

Somebody mentioned that upthread.  It doesn't take away from the number of years before the blu-ray finally came out, and it doesn't cater for people who lack a blu-ray player.

Anyway I'm not sure what the argument is anymore.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Malcy on August 06, 2018, 10:31:31 PM
Time this made an appearance...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kgA8QDl1Y1M

I don't know what to think about the new one. I liked Genisys. It was what it was. Biggest fuck up in it was the fact they ended up in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex and there was no Stargate! That would have set the franchise off on an interesting course.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on August 08, 2018, 01:10:58 AM
The Terminator franchise has never existed because of the characters, though. It’s the premise that keeps it afloat; the basic ‘machine vs human’and dystopian ‘machines take over’ scenario. The characters are almost superfluous. Their only job is not to get in the way, and ideally add to the storyline.

Disagree strongly with that. Much of the success of T2 is the interplay between John Connor and the T-800, and the transformation of Sarah Connor into an ultra-tough, loopy human pseudo-Terminator.

Every Terminator movie since then has failed to create substantially interesting characters, and every Terminator movie has fallen on its arse.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on August 08, 2018, 01:14:42 AM
I'm fairly sure it was only a matter of running time that kept the mirror scene - with its incredibly clunky and on-the-nose dialogue - out of the final film.  If initial edits of Terminator 2 had been shorter, it would have stayed in.

What's your source on that? Why not just assume that Cameron looked at the footage and thought, "Yeah, nah, that's a bit shit, let's leave it out."?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 08, 2018, 09:37:55 AM
What's your source on that? Why not just assume that Cameron looked at the footage and thought, "Yeah, nah, that's a bit shit, let's leave it out."?

It would have been an interview around the time the special edition came out, I suspect.  I also remember him saying that all the stuff in the desert was a problem insofar as the T-1000 didn’t know where they were, and there was no sense of jeopardy while they were there.  Cameron wanted to get them back into the action as soon as possible, so all the “learning how to smile” stuff for example was cut more for that reason than due to weakness of the material.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Clownbaby on August 10, 2018, 01:29:10 PM
Dunno if people have already discussed this, but I just read that Robert Patrick is possibly considering returning to the franchise, which is odd cause in the past he's never expressed an interest cause it might look naff next to his fabulous young performance.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 10, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
Playing "Fat" Joe Jetson, the man who inspired Skynet's choice of default appearance for the T-1000.


Imagine how funny it would be if the T-1000 developed a malfunction that meant it could only become a middle-aged, fat version of everyone it tries to imitate.  A mimetic roly-poly alloy, haha!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 10, 2018, 05:57:48 PM
Playing "Fat" Joe Jetson, the man who inspired Skynet's choice of default appearance for the T-1000.


Imagine how funny it would be if the T-1000 developed a malfunction that meant it could only become a middle-aged, fat version of everyone it tries to imitate.  A mimetic roly-poly alloy, haha!

I'd prefer it if the T-1000 could only transform into a giant toilet brush.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 10, 2018, 07:26:33 PM
I'd prefer it if the T-1000 could only transform into a giant toilet brush.

Would he be able to move?  More than a middle-aged, fat version of a human, at least?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 10, 2018, 08:26:18 PM
Would he be able to move?  More than a middle-aged, fat version of a human, at least?

Well, not by his own volition.  Technically he'll be moving quite a bit when someone uses him to scrub the turd streaks from the toilet bowl though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 10, 2018, 08:28:31 PM
Well, not by his own volition.  Technically he'll move when someone uses him to scrub the turd streaks from the toilet bowl though.

You say he can transform *into* a giant toilet brush.  What is he transforming into that *from*?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 10, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
You say he can transform *into* a giant toilet brush.  What is he transforming into that *from*?

A slightly smaller toilet brush.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 10, 2018, 08:36:38 PM
A slightly smaller toilet brush.

What kind of T-1000 is this? 

Quote
John Connor: Wait a minute here. You're telling me that this thing can imitate anything it touches?

The Terminator: Anything it samples by physical contact.

John Connor: Get real, like it could disguise itself as a pack of cigarettes?

The Terminator: No, only an object of equal size.

John Connor: Then why doesn't it become a bomb or a machine gun or something to get me?

The Terminator: The T-1000 can't form complex machines. Guns and explosives have chemicals in them. Moving parts. It doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.

John Connor: Like what?

The Terminator: Knives and stabbing weapons.

I can accept that the T-1000 has lost the ability to form solid metal shapes like knives and stabbing weapons - I can put that down to the natural ageing process.  And I can accept that it has lost the capacity to become anything other than a giant toilet brush for the same reason.  These things are fine.

I am stuck on the idea of it developing the ability to change size.  Please elaborate.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 10, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
I am stuck on the idea of it developing the ability to change size.  Please elaborate.

Different timeline, innit?  In this timeline, continuity issues are common place.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 11, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
Didn’t a T-1000 throw parts of itself made into spears, or did I imagine that?

I'd prefer it if the T-1000 could only transform into a giant toilet brush.

One has been an urinal, would that do?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 11, 2018, 04:43:32 PM
Didn’t a T-1000 throw parts of itself made into spears, or did I imagine that?

Not in Terminator 2.  Perhaps in that 3D theme park ride, I can't remember.

One has been an urinal, would that do?

I forgot about that.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on August 11, 2018, 08:15:20 PM
Imagine how funny it would be if the T-1000 developed a malfunction that meant it could only become a middle-aged, fat version of everyone it tries to imitate.

So they can cast Edward Furlong after all
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on August 11, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
So they can cast Edward Furlong after all

(https://i.imgur.com/4U4hvZV.jpg?1)

Furlong is forlorn at your comment.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Clownbaby on August 12, 2018, 11:18:48 AM
Ohhh ouch, owwie, he is not looking good
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: AsparagusTrevor on August 13, 2018, 09:13:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4U4hvZV.jpg?1)
Furlong is forlorn at your comment.

He manages to look too fat and too skinny at the same time.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bazooka on August 13, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
Hopefully he does a Macaulay Culkin and bounces back.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on August 13, 2018, 11:42:15 AM
EDIT:

This was supposed to be a throwaway Edward Furlong gag, but it loses everything by being isolated on a new page.

So I'll just say that I hope they find a part for Michael Biehn. Although I still think they were right to edit out his "dream scene" in Terminator 2.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 13, 2018, 12:03:50 PM
Hopefully he does a Macaulay Culkin and bounces back.

LITERALLY BOUNCES HAHA BECAUSE OF HIS FAT BELLY
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SavageHedgehog on August 13, 2018, 05:08:14 PM
Hopefully he does a Macaulay Culkin and bounces back.

He was in Assault on Wall Street, one of Uwe Boll's (not unentertaining TBH) attempts at a "respectable" film, and had slimmed down to a mere "mildly tubby" and looked (and acted) OK. That came out in 2013, not sure if he's ballooned back up since.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on August 13, 2018, 05:25:43 PM
I kind of want to watch Party Monster. Should I?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on August 13, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
I kind of want to watch Party Monster. Should I?

Just watch 'Party Monster: The Shockumentary' from the same directors, which has both real footage from that whole scene and dramatized reenactments of what happened.  The movie version is okay but has a cheap '90s TV-movie feel to it and some pretty atrocious acting.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 14, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
I wonder what kind of metal skellington will be in Terminator (2019).
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sin Agog on August 14, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
Just watch 'Party Monster: The Shockumentary' from the same directors, which has both real footage from that whole scene and dramatized reenactments of what happened.  The movie version is okay but has a cheap '90s TV-movie feel to it and some pretty atrocious acting.

The same directors were also responsible for bringing The Adam & Joe Show into being.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: DukeDeMondo on August 15, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
This is just great. Arnie banging on (https://youtu.be/T7r1lMT8Zpo) about James Cameron's directorial approach and how they sold him on T2 and whatever else.

"They explained to me what really happens, and how he is still a bad guy, and he's blowing everything up and he's wiping everything out and he's brutal and the shotgun and the pistols and all the different weapons and the rocket launchers and all this stuff, and you would see things, fireballs and things being totally destroyed, and I said to them, I said 'wow, that is a really new twist.'"

Made my night. I dunno, wasn't much of a night, like, wasn't much happening.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on August 20, 2018, 08:12:46 AM
Very early model of Terminator here - https://twitter.com/DerrenBrown/status/1030964893107802113
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: New Jack on August 20, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
Oh boy, AI in the news = OMG SKYNET!

I could "have" any robot, I'm magnetic as fuck you see

Still, that one Biggy's linked to is probably gonna be more convincingly real than Arnie in 2019
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 20, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
Oh, it’s always the same with any science breakthrough reported in the mouthbreather news. Space weapons systems? Star Wars. Space propulsion systems? Star Trek. Teleportation? Trek again. AI or robots? Terminator. Are we living in a simulation? The Matrix.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: New Jack on August 20, 2018, 08:46:04 PM
Tedious isn't it? Bet when we get cybernetic officers of the law they reference a well-known film franchise as well.

... Lady BattleCop
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Kelvin on August 21, 2018, 01:20:38 PM
Oh, it’s always the same with any science breakthrough reported in the mouthbreather news. Space weapons systems? Star Wars. Space propulsion systems? Star Trek. Teleportation? Trek again. AI or robots? Terminator. Are we living in a simulation? The Matrix.

Is that worse than saying 'mouthbreather news'?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 23, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Someone clones a dinosaur from a mosquito preserved in amber with the missing DNA sequence filled in with frogs and it changes sex and spits black goo at a fat nerd - Jurassic Park, always. fuckin simpletons
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: New Jack on August 23, 2018, 09:09:17 AM
Boffins clones a dinosaur from a mosquito preserved in amber with the missing DNA sequence filled in with frogs and it changes sex and spits black goo at a fat nerd - Jurassic Park, always. fuckin simpletons

Edited to enhance the accuracy

Like fucking CSI
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: a duncandisorderly on August 31, 2018, 04:58:28 AM
"enhance"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Head Gardener on September 28, 2018, 07:31:09 AM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/a02d073682c72d30c7d0a43a26687c3f/tumblr_pfomzn9NTA1wstc5to1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Operty1 on September 28, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
Arnold’s shrunk!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 10:59:02 AM
Innerspace 2:  Metal Bastard
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on September 28, 2018, 11:46:28 AM
Arnold’s shrunk!

His nose has grown, though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 12:12:33 PM
Innerspace 3:  Alcoholic’s Hooter
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: olliebean on September 28, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
Wait - the Terminator has a beard now? How did that happen?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on September 28, 2018, 05:51:59 PM
Live facial hair over metal exoskeleton.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 28, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
But is the Terminator's painted-on anus also hairy, then?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on September 28, 2018, 06:16:54 PM
Yes, but the hairs are painted on aswell.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 06:20:06 PM
Live facial hair over metal exoskeleton.

You keep insisting that Terminators have exoskeletons, for some reason.  It's almost as if you don't know anything about Terminators or their anuses.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on September 28, 2018, 06:23:25 PM
They do have exoskeletons mate, they just have them on the inside too fool people.


Clearly worked on you.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 07:01:05 PM
They do have exoskeletons mate, they just have them on the inside too fool people.

Only people who know nothing about Terminators mix up 'to' and 'too'.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mobias on September 28, 2018, 07:05:07 PM
Wait - the terminator is an OAP now? How did that happen?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 07:34:02 PM
Wait - the terminator is an OAP now? How did that happen?

Got old.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 28, 2018, 07:37:50 PM
Now contemplating a world where the knowledge of the existence of Terminator Genisys is akin to The Silence in Doctor Who - you can only remember its existence when you see it; at all other times, everything about it - an aged T-800 called Pops, the notion that Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke can act, John Connor both looking like the reincarnated corpse of Chandler Bing AND getting assimilated by Skynet - is impossible (too awful) to recall. You may think you can, but then you'll be distracted and... what was it we were posting about, again?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 07:47:45 PM
Now contemplating a world where the knowledge of the existence of Terminator Genisys is akin to The Silence in Doctor Who - you can only remember its existence when you see it; at all other times, everything about it - an aged T-800 called Pops, the notion that Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke can act, John Connor both looking like the reincarnated corpse of Chandler Bing AND getting assimilated by Skynet - is impossible (too awful) to recall. You may think you can, but then you'll be distracted and... what was it we were posting about, again?

Were you watching it while you wrote this?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 28, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
Wrote what?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
I can't remember.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on September 28, 2018, 09:13:21 PM
You can't remember how the Terminator outsmarted you with it's exoskeleton ploy and mock anus. I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to remember this either.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 09:19:39 PM
You can't remember how the Terminator outsmarted you with it's exoskeleton ploy and mock anus. I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to remember this either.

Are you sure that was Terminator Genisys?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 28, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
Who are you talking to, Replies? In fact, where am I?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 28, 2018, 09:39:04 PM
I don't know what's going on but I feel peculiarly aroused.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mobias on September 29, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
Got old.

If in the future they're capable of making a terminator made of liquid metal that can transform itself into anything it likes then presumably they're also capable of making a terminator that doesn't need a fucking zimmer frame?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on September 29, 2018, 05:46:05 PM
"I need your clothes, boots and your colostomy bag"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2018, 06:17:15 PM
If in the future they're capable of making a terminator made of liquid metal that can transform itself into anything it likes then presumably they're also capable of making a terminator that doesn't need a fucking zimmer frame?

The G-800 (or Geriatrix) is an experimental model.  Skynet would achieve nothing without experimentation.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: bgmnts on September 29, 2018, 06:25:14 PM
Can dogs still detect Terminators?

What about other animals like otters or rabbits?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2018, 06:28:44 PM
Can dogs still detect Terminators?

What about other animals like otters or rabbits?

Animals and children are "pure", so they can see Sam as Sam, they can see and hear Al, and they can detect Terminators.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 29, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
And hear, or understand, the Doctor's name, as well.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 29, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
And hear, or understand, the Doctor's name, as well.

Children forget it when they become adults, but animals die after a few years anyway so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on September 30, 2018, 02:12:24 PM
Can dogs still detect Terminators?

What about other animals like otters or rabbits?


Unfortunately not, they're all dead.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 22, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
So it’s called Terminator: Dark Fate.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Terminator_Dark_Fate_poster.jpg)

Teaser trailer tomorrow apparently.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on May 22, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
Can dogs still detect Terminators?

What about other animals like otters or rabbits?

My dogs chase rabbits all the time.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on May 22, 2019, 08:18:03 PM
Wait - the terminator is an OAP now? How did that happen?
OAT
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 08:51:22 PM
I look forward to the inevitable retcon sequel when this retcon sequel fails like the retcon sequels which came before it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on May 22, 2019, 10:14:08 PM
Fark Date
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 22, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
You can get the word 'fart' out of Dark Fate.  A clue to the nature of Skynet's new plan to wipe out humanity perhaps?  A dark fate indeed.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 22, 2019, 10:39:50 PM
Terminators CAN’T fart - their anuses are painted on, remember? Biggy says so, and nobody knows his way round a robotic colon like him.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 22, 2019, 11:16:17 PM
Maybe this is a new model of terminator. One with a robotty.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 22, 2019, 11:56:01 PM
Terminators CAN’T fart - their anuses are painted on, remember? Biggy says so, and nobody knows his way round a robotic colon like him.

biggy is wrong about that though.  I kept explaining it but he has this conspiracy mindset about Terminators’ anuses that just makes discussing it pointless.

Believe what you want to believe but the T-800 series absolutely do have realistically sculpted anuses to make them more effective infiltration units.  They have to stroll around naked for crying out loud.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 12:17:24 AM
biggy is wrong about that though.  I kept explaining it but he has this conspiracy mindset about Terminators’ anuses that just makes discussing it pointless.

Believe what you want to believe but the T-800 series absolutely do have realistically sculpted anuses to make them more effective infiltration units.  They have to stroll around naked for crying out loud.

Let's not go down this path again.  Besides, the T-800 series absolutely definitely do have painted on anuses, as supported by the dialogue in the first film...

Quote from: Kyle Reese in The Terminator
The 600 series had no anus. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They have painted on anuses... brown, puckered, everything. Very hard to spot.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Phil_A on May 23, 2019, 12:26:37 AM
Christ, that title brings to mind the terrible straight-to-video Robocop movies from the early 2000s. Wasn't one of them called "Dark Justice"?

Ha, yes it was. And the villain was called BONE MACHINE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2p5lRy4Xic
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 12:30:54 AM
Let's not go down this path again.  Besides, the T-800 series absolutely definitely do have painted on anuses, as supported by the dialogue in the first film...

No, I have been through this enough times.  The T-600 series had painted on anuses, hence Kyle's line about being able to spot them easily.  The T-800 had more realistically sculpted ones, allowing them to be better infiltrators.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 23, 2019, 02:29:27 PM
New trailer here - https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1131545318275846144 (https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1131545318275846144)


Looks a hell of a lot like the same noisy incoherent shit of the last one that was more of a cheese dream than a film.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2019, 02:34:51 PM
Looks like a shit video game

State of that Bjork cover

This'll be shit, I reckon
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: batwings on May 23, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
"Skynet sent 2 terminators through time.... and about 5 others, I forget exactly how many, there's been loads."
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2019, 02:48:56 PM
Sarah Connor, who no longer sounds like Sarah Connor, doing exactly the same thing Jamie Lee Curtis just did in Halloween

But it's different, you see? There's a goodie female Terminator. Who thinks she's human!

Bleak
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 02:49:47 PM
New trailer here - https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1131545318275846144 (https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1131545318275846144)

Yawn.  Generic modern action bollocks, with an over-reliance on CGI.  Pish.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 23, 2019, 02:51:23 PM
1 and 2 both great, 3 a fun tv movie version of 2, 4 boring but competent, 5 a total mess.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2019, 02:51:44 PM
And the CGI is genuinely shit. That last bit with TIT-1000's face growing back. It looked better in T2, from 1991
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 02:53:45 PM
Sarah Connor, who no longer sounds like Sarah Connor...

Indeed.  Judging by the trailer, Linda Hamilton has either completely forgotten how to play Sarah Conner in the intervening years since T2, or she's in full on paycheque collecting mode.

But it's different, you see? There's a goodie female Terminator. Who thinks she's human!

Just like the goodie male terminator in Terminator: Salvation who thought that he was human.  They can't even be original with their shit ideas.

And the CGI is genuinely shit. That last bit with TIT-1000's face growing back. It looked better in T2, from 1991

Yes.  Yes it did.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 23, 2019, 03:02:39 PM
Why do all these shit reboots look like episodes of some shit Netflix series.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bad Ambassador on May 23, 2019, 03:09:52 PM
Aside from the evil terminator looking like a completely normal person you wouldn't glance at twice - about time they used that idea - this looks very... nothing.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 03:17:05 PM
Why do all these shit reboots look like episodes of some shit Netflix series.

It's a strange phenomenon, isn't it?  This movie has an estimated production budget of $180 million, so why does it look like it was shot for ten cents and the promise of a blowjob?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
It's a strange phenomenon, isn't it?  This movie has an estimated production budget of $180 million, so why does it look like it was shot for ten cents and the promise of a blowjob?

How do you know a blowjob wasn't involved?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 03:36:27 PM
How do you know a blowjob wasn't involved?

True enough.  Hollywood accounting would usually dictate that several hundred blowjobs were involved within the making of this movie.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: TwinPeaks on May 23, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
Makes the last one look good. Why's it so bland looking? Even the bits without the horrific CGI are so soulless. Didn't they make a big deal about James Cameron being involved with the last one too? Fucking hell I wish I didn't have to look at this flat digital shite. Actually I don't, I haven't even watched any Terminator past the second one
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 03:52:29 PM
Like Solo: A Star Wars Story and the recent episode of Game of Thrones, the lighting in the nighttime scenes is awful.  It's really difficult to see what's happening.  Total incompetence.

Didn't they make a big deal about James Cameron being involved with the last one too?

Eh, yes and no.  He wasn't involved in the movie's production in any way whatsoever but he did film a fluff piece for the movie's marketing, where talked to camera and said that he liked the movie and endorsed it.  Then a couple of years later, after its release and critical mauling, he admitted that he only filmed that promo as a favour to his friend, Arnold Schwarzenegger.  So basically, James Cameron hoodwinked the audience out of their hard earned cash.  Still, what else is new?  I remember Avatar.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 23, 2019, 04:50:03 PM
All cgi looked better in the early 90s, before directors got lazy with it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gerald Fjord on May 23, 2019, 04:56:33 PM
why is sarah connor a stone cold badass? she was never a stone cold badass. she was manic, fraught, too much knowledge, too much fear. when she's a kick ass motherfucker in T2 it's only in direct proportion to how fucked up she is. best bit of that movie is where she's breaking out of the institution and arnie comes out of the lift. total fucking fear and you feel it with her even though we know it's a good arnie this time. nah, fuck it, she calmly bazookas a dude- and wait, bro, she's fuckin wearing black and she's got some fuckin boots on man, and she's like this fuckin kick ass old lady and she quips like "bet your grandma can't do that"! fuckin awesome
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 04:59:37 PM
True though.  Whose grandma is even still alive?  Yeah?  Exactly, mate.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 05:05:06 PM
Also very shitty are the routine slowdowns in the action which remind me of the Matrix Reloaded car chase and so on.  Where the slow motion doesn't serve to show anything interesting or bring an interesting rhythm - it just breaks the momentum and kills any potential impact or excitement.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 23, 2019, 05:05:57 PM
I don't understand what's gone wrong with her arms.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7Q44axV4AEsThB.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7Q4lNiUwAQlMUM.png)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GUqe109-WVU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Also very shitty are the routine slowdowns in the action which remind me of the Matrix Reloaded car chase and so on.  Where the slow motion doesn't serve to show anything interesting or bring an interesting rhythm - it just breaks the momentum and kills any potential impact or excitement.

I couldn't agree more.  Also, the CGI flips that the robot woman is doing breaks my suspension of disbelief.  The movement looks unnatural.  It lacks the gravity of real stunt work, something which the first two movies had in spades.

I don't understand what's gone wrong with her arms.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7Q44axV4AEsThB.png)

She's been genetically spliced with a T-Rex.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7Q4lNiUwAQlMUM.png)

Look at the expression on her face, or lack thereof.  Hamilton doesn't give a shit, does she?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
To be fair she was probably told not to wince or clutch her ears when firing.

Cameron reckons that Sarah Connor becomes something of a Terminator herself in T2 during the Miles Dyson scenes so he's probably harking back to that.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bad Ambassador on May 23, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
To be fair she was probably told not to wince or clutch her ears when firing.

Earplugs.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 05:58:13 PM
Earplugs.

Maybe she's one of those ones who finds that earplugs "just fall out".

Don't you tell me that it's okay to force a woman to wear earplugs.  It isn't.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
To be fair she was probably told not to wince or clutch her ears when firing.

Cameron reckons that Sarah Connor becomes something of a Terminator herself in T2 during the Miles Dyson scenes so he's probably harking back to that.

(https://i.imgur.com/Dgl2En6.jpg?1)

Sarah Connor there, after she became "something of a Terminator" at the end of T2.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 23, 2019, 06:02:03 PM
I’ll almost certainly watch this. But I’ve realised when thinking that the idea of going to the cinema to do so feels quite incomprehensible. Netflix in about a year it is, then.

Very little Arnie. Looks better than he did in Chandlerbingisys. I wonder if they’re finally going to do it, have him play the “Oh, look, it’s the human person that the T-800 was modelled on” character they wisely cut out of T3?

And yes, I agree this €180million movie doesn’t look much more impressive in its action scenes and CGI than the Sarah Connor Chronicles did in its more elaborate, spend a bit more money, please-don’t-cancel-us moments.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: A Hat Like That on May 23, 2019, 06:11:41 PM
Just in case anyone hasn't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw

dat accent
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: kidsick5000 on May 23, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
Very little Arnie. Looks better than he did in Chandlerbingisys. I wonder if they’re finally going to do it, have him play the “Oh, look, it’s the human person that the T-800 was modelled on” character they wisely cut out of T3?

It's been rumoured. But it might also be a throwback to genysissh where he's an older model sent furthe... oh I don't know.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on May 23, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
what a load of old bobbins
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 06:33:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Dgl2En6.jpg?1)

Sarah Connor there, after she became "something of a Terminator" at the end of T2.

Yeah but she’s a grandma now.  You can’t expect her to do everything.  Like some facial expressions.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 23, 2019, 06:39:25 PM
It's been rumoured. But it might also be a throwback to genysissh where he's an older model sent furthe... oh I don't know.

Does the subtitle “the day after Judgement Day” mean the day after the events of the second film?  I thought that was the implication since they’re selling very hard the angle that this film follows on from T2 and skips the other sequels.  But that doesn’t explain why everyone is now about 90 years old.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2019, 06:57:43 PM
There's gonna be a CGI Edward Furlong

That sounds like a joke, doesn't it? It's not

A CGI EDWARD FURLONG
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Kelvin on May 23, 2019, 07:12:10 PM
What's mad is that every reboot looks exactly like the last more or less. Stong female lead; couple of wet looking youngsters; stern villain that's a combination of the hard hitting T-800 and the amorphous T-1000; lots of shots of people getting chased on motorways by a big truck and also a helicopter/plane. Topped off with a completely unsurprising shot of an old T-800. It's literally the same film they just made with an evil John Connor and Matt Smith doing a shocking american accent. Do literally anything else, you unimaginative twats.       
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Kryton on May 23, 2019, 07:13:24 PM
This looks crap.

The T-1000 is still a fucking brilliantly terrifying baddie though. It gave me nightmares after watching T2 years ago.

I will echo the sentiment that I'm glad they made it look like a normal bloke too.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
Yeah but she’s a grandma now.  You can’t expect her to do everything.  Like some facial expressions.

Ah, fair point.  I expect too much from actors.  Expecting an actor to act is a big ask for an aging movie star.  It's like Harrison Ford famously said when he was asked if he was still acting in his senior years; "part-time".

Does the subtitle “the day after Judgement Day” mean the day after the events of the second film?  I thought that was the implication since they’re selling very hard the angle that this film follows on from T2 and skips the other sequels.  But that doesn’t explain why everyone is now about 90 years old.

In the first two movies, Judgement Day was declared as being on August 29th, 1997, which would therefore place this movie in that same year, whilst still failing to account for the age of the actors.  They'll probably go down the Terminator 3 route...

Quote from: Terminator 3
John: "No, you shouldn't exist. We took out Cyberdyne over ten years ago. We stopped Judgement Day."

Terminator: "You only postponed it. Judgement Day is inevitable."

There is no fate but what we make, unless there's a franchise to be milked for cash, in which case fate is but an inevitability.

There's gonna be a CGI Edward Furlong

That sounds like a joke, doesn't it? It's not

A CGI EDWARD FURLONG

Indeed.  In case anyone missed it the first time around...

(https://i.imgur.com/vJ2C1np.jpg?1)

Looks like we'll also be seeing the the return of a young Arnold Schwarzenegger and Edward Furlong, brought back to our screens via the juju of the uncanny valley.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 23, 2019, 07:20:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vJ2C1np.jpg?1)

Which one is which?


Are they both cgi there? They look all weird.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 07:23:51 PM
What's mad is that every reboot looks exactly like the last more or less. Stong female lead; couple of wet looking youngsters; stern villain that's a combination of the hard hitting T-800 and the amorphous T-1000; lots of shots of people getting chased on motorways by a big truck and also a helicopter/plane. Topped off with a completely unsurprising shot of an old T-800. It's literally the same film they just made with an evil John Connor and Matt Smith doing a shocking american accent. Do literally anything else, you unimaginative twats.       

Yep.  If they insist upon being unoriginal, then the least they could do is take the series back to its roots; the first movie.  Make it a relatively low budget, horror focused movie, with Arnold playing a bad guy terminator again.  At this point, that would feel somewhat fresh and novel.  T2 subverted expectations by having Arnold as the good guy but why has that remained the case ever since (not just in the Terminator series but in Arnie starring movies in general)?  Change it up a little.

All of the sequels which followed T2 have been attempts to recreate or remake T2, to varying degrees.  It's devoid of inspiration and demonstrates a complete lack of creative confidence.  It's just pandering to the fans of the most popular movie in the series but by making inferior copies of that popular movie over and over again, you leave nobody satisfied; not the fans of T2, one of the greatest action movies of all time, nor those who prefer the more horror focused first movie.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 23, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
They can only realistically be doing the “ageing Terminator” thing again, which is bizarre given they only just did it in a film that wasn’t successful, or popular, and the events of which this new film is retconning out of existence.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Kelvin on May 23, 2019, 07:35:03 PM
Yep.  If they insist upon being unoriginal, then the least they could do is take the series back to its roots; the first movie.  Make it a relatively low budget, horror focused movie, with Arnold playing a bad guy terminator again.  At this point, that would feel somewhat fresh and novel.  T2 subverted expectations by having Arnold as the good guy but why has that remained the case ever since (not just in the Terminator series but in Arnie starring movies in general)?  Change it up a little.

Or better still, just fuck Arnie off altogether, and make the film a straight forward horror about a single cyborg trying to kill a couple of people again. Have Arnie appear briefly in a vision of the future or something.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 23, 2019, 07:37:02 PM
They can only realistically be doing the “ageing Terminator” thing again...

James Cameron confirmed this to be the case in an interview earlier this year.

...which is bizarre given they only just did it in a film that wasn’t successful, or popular, and the events of which this new film is retconning out of existence.

To be fair, they feel obliged to have Arnie in the movie because of audience expectations and at the same time, it would be time and cost prohibitive to digitally de-age him for the length of an entire movie.  That's why the young Arnie scenes in Terminator Salvation and Terminator Genisys are so brief.

Or better still, just fuck Arnie off altogether, and make the film a straight forward horror about a single cyborg trying to kill a couple of people again. Have Arnie appear briefly in a vision of the future or something.

I would be very happy with this as a concept but Hollywood executives have a terrible risk allergy.  They stick to what they know and what they know is that T2 worked, audiences loved it and most importantly of all, it made them a lot of money.  Hence all of the pseudo-remakes and retcons with new pseudo-remakes when those previous pseudo-remakes fail.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Glebe on May 23, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
Bit meh, that trailer. And Arnie's appearance is pretty throwaway. Still not watched Genisys, mind.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on May 23, 2019, 11:27:45 PM
Like Solo: A Star Wars Story and the recent episode of Game of Thrones, the lighting in the nighttime scenes is awful.  It's really difficult to see what's happening.  Total incompetence.

And Black Panther and Captain Marvel and Us. Why do so many people fuck up lighting night scenes? Is it because nobody pays for reels of film any more and they assume they can fix it in post so everyone just gets lazy?

And yet: Mindhunter, Better Call Saul, Russian Doll, that first season of American Gods. Clearly some people know how to do it - just not the ones attached to $150 million-plus franchise blockbusters, for some fucking reason.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 24, 2019, 01:15:46 AM
John: "No, you shouldn't exist. We took out Cyberdyne over ten years ago. We stopped Judgement Day."

Terminator: "You only postponed it. Judgement Day is inevitable.  And me, yes as a T-850 I share with the T-800 series a far more realistically-moulded anus than the T-600 model with its painted-on anus."

The information is right there in the dialogue you quoted!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 24, 2019, 01:23:53 AM
I originally read Mackenzie Davis as Mackenzie Crook.

He'd have been the best Terminator of all the Terminators
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on May 24, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
There's gonna be a CGI Edward Furlong

That sounds like a joke, doesn't it? It's not

A CGI EDWARD FURLONG
why not spend the money on a CGI Edward Woodward instead
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 24, 2019, 04:06:42 PM
I originally read Mackenzie Davis as Mackenzie Crook.

What's really bizarre is that she even looks like Mackenzie Crook...

(https://i.imgur.com/Vf4oWmA.jpg?1)

Mackenzie Crook

(https://i.imgur.com/eAtNvvI.jpg?1)

Mackenzie Davis
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on May 24, 2019, 04:23:29 PM
The trailer is so shit it makes me want to negatively watch the film. that is, pay to remove somebody else's experience of viewing of it
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on May 24, 2019, 04:33:25 PM
What's really bizarre is that she even looks like Mackenzie Crook...

(https://i.imgur.com/Vf4oWmA.jpg?1)

Mackenzie Crook

(https://i.imgur.com/eAtNvvI.jpg?1)

Mackenzie Davis

Only one of these is painted on though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 24, 2019, 05:53:45 PM
why not spend the money on a CGI Edward Woodward instead

Because otherwise he’d be called Ewar Woowar!!!!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on May 24, 2019, 11:20:32 PM
Did you hear about the wooden Terminator? He said he wooden(t) be back.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 25, 2019, 12:09:27 AM
Did you hear about the wooden Terminator? He said he wooden(t) be back.

“I’ll be bark.”
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 12:36:16 AM
So it's come to this?  The thread has devolved into awful terminator puns.  Fucking hell, release another trailer or something will you, Paramount?  Ta.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 25, 2019, 12:51:49 AM
At least *four pages* of this thread are dedicated to the Terminator anus question; but, three puns and you’re discombobulated? Snowflake.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 01:24:25 AM
At least *four pages* of this thread are dedicated to the Terminator anus question; but, three puns and you’re discombobulated? Snowflake.

More like a brown snowflake.  A painted on brown snowflake.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Cloud on May 25, 2019, 01:59:09 AM
This just popped up on my Youtube.  Call me one of those weirdo optimists - I'm quite excited!  We're actively throwing away fucking shit attempts at continuation with awful people like Christian "I'm tryin' to fuckin' do a scene here" Bale and saying, here's a better continuation with the original actress where we care about the original movies.  Yes, bring it on!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 10:44:34 AM
Why didn’t the Terminator self-terminate?

Because he couldn’t self-terminate!!  (Self-terminate)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 10:54:12 AM
This just popped up on my Youtube.  Call me one of those weirdo optimists - I'm quite excited!  We're actively throwing away fucking shit attempts at continuation with awful people like Christian "I'm tryin' to fuckin' do a scene here" Bale and saying, here's a better continuation with the original actress where we care about the original movies.  Yes, bring it on!

With their “JAMES CAMERON RETURNS” lead-in I think this has to be their last chance to get a sequel to Terminator 2 right.

After this I don’t doubt they will keep having more goes at the franchise, but they won’t be able to tag them onto the original films anymore.  They’ll either go full reboot or focus on trajectories of the Terminator world that are unrelated to the Connors.

So bizarre that the studios think there’s such a massive universe to be derived from a cool-looking metal skeleton, to be honest.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 10:59:36 AM
So bizarre that the studios think there’s such a massive universe to be derived from a cool-looking metal skeleton, to be honest.

The CLMSCU (Cool Looking Metal Skeleton Cinematic Universe).
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on May 25, 2019, 12:26:31 PM
There's that new kids TV show in the CLMSU franchise; Cool Looking Metal Skeleton Pets with a totes adorbs cool looking metal skeleton of a hamster with glowing red eyes.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 12:31:05 PM
Also by the way the metal skeleton looked cool when it was a practical effect, animated as a stop motion puppet or as a full-sized puppet manipulated in real time.

In CGI form it isn’t cool-looking.  I don’t know whether they have tweaked the design or something but something is less good about it beyond the CGI factor.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 12:49:09 PM
In CGI form it isn’t cool-looking.  I don’t know whether they have tweaked the design or something but something is less good about it beyond the CGI factor.

If by 'tweaked', you mean 'butchered', then yes.  Yes they have...

(https://i.imgur.com/LQ5IwQq.jpg?1)

Old

(https://i.imgur.com/4zjxWM8.jpg?1)

New

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(https://i.imgur.com/fX5yCeY.jpg?2)

Old

(https://i.imgur.com/gMzhvgn.jpg?2)

New
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 25, 2019, 12:52:35 PM
The new one has metal teeth, so it could only disguise itself as Jaws from James Bond.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 25, 2019, 01:00:47 PM
Do you get to see any brief glimpses of willy in this? That was what was so good about the first film imo and where the later films went so wrong.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
If by 'tweaked', you mean 'butchered', then yes.  Yes they have...

(https://i.imgur.com/LQ5IwQq.jpg?1)

Old

(https://i.imgur.com/4zjxWM8.jpg?1)

New

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(https://i.imgur.com/fX5yCeY.jpg?2)

Old

(https://i.imgur.com/gMzhvgn.jpg?2)

New

Yes the new one (assuming it isn't a totally different model of Terminator) is much worse then.  More 'squat' and the eye sockets have an over-emphatically 'evil' shape to them that just makes no sense in-universe.

Plus the bone shape is too fussy, isn't it?  Too 'moulded'.  Why is there so much detail in the area above the top teeth?

I'm going to assume the Stan Winston workshop owns the rights to the original, superior design, and the studio would rather not pay to use them.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 01:34:20 PM
I'm going to assume the Stan Winston workshop owns the rights to the original, superior design, and the studio would rather not pay to use them.

I doubt that's the reason.  It's more than likely that the studio owns that design, as they fronted the money for the production of the original movies.  It's possible that Stan Winston studios would be owed royalties for its use but this is a $180 million production, so paying a few royalties wouldn't be an obstacle.  Note that all of the previous terrible sequels have made use of the original design.  In fact, Arnie's character will likely be an original design T-800 in this movie. 

This new design is a new model terminator.  A new shittier model.  They've got to put their own stamp on an existing design, so that they can say "look it's different and we did that!  We improved it!  Aren't you excited to see the new and improved, more deadly terminator that can split in two, in this new movie?  One terminator splitting into two terminators means that the movie is twice as good!  It ignores the previous shite sequels!  That means that it's good.  Really it does.  James Cameron even gave us a few ideas and collected a paycheque.  Aren't you excited?  I bet you're excited, aren't you?  Please be excited.  Please.".

I am not excited.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 03:05:17 PM
I am not excited.

I'm so sorry but you actually are.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 03:15:57 PM
I'm so sorry but you actually are.

Bloody ain't.  I'll probably watch a crappy pirated copy out of curiosity but that's mostly so that I can have an opinion on it and then duly tear it to shreds within this thread.  I'm not sure that I could possibly be excited for a Terminator flick these days, certainly not if that trailer is anything to go by.  The last time that I was excited for a Terminator movie was the third one.  Then I watched it and that killed off any remaining excitement I might have had for the series.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 03:20:42 PM
You think that a squat metal skeleton with emphatically evil eye sockets and an excess of detail around its teeth is the best kind.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 03:21:25 PM
You think that a squat metal skeleton with emphatically evil eye sockets and an excess of detail around its teeth is the best kind.

Once upon a time, yes.  Then I dated her and realised that she was horrible.  Anyway, enough about my ex.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 03:25:28 PM
Once upon a time, yes.  Then I dated her and realised that she was horrible.  Anyway, enough about my ex.

You dated her after you were with her?  Are you sure that's not an abandoned plotline from Terminator Penisys?

Convoluted as all fuck mate.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on May 25, 2019, 03:36:43 PM
Bloody ain't.  I'll probably watch a crappy pirated copy out of curiosity but that's mostly so that I can have an opinion on it and then duly tear it to shreds within this thread.  I'm not sure that I could possibly be excited for a Terminator flick these days, certainly not if that trailer is anything to go by.  The last time that I was excited for a Terminator movie was the third one.  Then I watched it and that killed off any remaining excitement I might have had for the series.

Honestly the same with all these sci fi action.horror franchises, Terminator, Predator and Alien, I mean I spose the latter has at least had some quality to the production in the scott films however badly they were written but all these franchises are way too far down the line of pandering to fans with increasingly incoherent lore getting in the way of any decent plot.

If Hollywood really is only interested in putting money into existing franchises then I'd far preffer to see them rebooted and given to someone of talent or at the least go with a plot mostly connected to the previous story.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 25, 2019, 03:54:47 PM
Why don't these Terminators ever smile, that's what I want to know. If one approached you smiling, you'd be far less likely to be scared and run away, or shoot a pump-action shotgun at it

Come on all Terminators, give us a smile
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 03:58:50 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/YoB1eEFB6FZ1m/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 04:00:21 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/YoB1eEFB6FZ1m/giphy.gif)

Damn.  Beat me to it by seconds.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
You could have followed mine with a gif of the Terminator smiling in Genisys.

(https://i.gifer.com/aoo.gif)

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IlliterateSpeedyGoldenmantledgroundsquirrel-size_restricted.gif)


If they don't milk the joke even further in Dark Fate I'm not going to consider it canon.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on May 25, 2019, 04:06:16 PM
Why doesn't the Terminator dance anymore?

(http://gifgifmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/terminator-3.gif)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 25, 2019, 04:18:51 PM
You could have followed mine with a gif of the Terminator smiling in Genisys.

(https://i.gifer.com/aoo.gif)

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IlliterateSpeedyGoldenmantledgroundsquirrel-size_restricted.gif)

Please.  I'm trying to forget.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 25, 2019, 04:21:38 PM
Yeah, forget I mentioned it

No more smiling, all you Terminators
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bad Ambassador on May 25, 2019, 05:12:26 PM
The old one's been thieving someone's teeth from a rest home.

The TV series was excellent, especially towards the end of the second season. It ended with an almighty twist... and was then cancelled.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 25, 2019, 08:23:44 PM
Ok, so, a brief history of robotic baddies...

T1: Robotic cyborg.
T2JD: Mimetic Polyalloy... whatever THAT is. It maxde sense at the time, anyway.
T3RotM: Mimetic polyalloy covering robotic endoskeleton, meaning it can shapeshift but also have wepaons built into its chassis, and handy nanomachine injectors.
TS: God knows. He's a human who's been roboticised, or something. It's fucking Sam Worthington after all, anything about him is instantly forgettable.
TG: Uh... It's nanomachines which assimilate people who look like Matthew Perry, but turn their whole body into more nanomachines? I have no fucking clue.
TDF: An endoskeleton covered by nanomachines? We'll find out, if we care.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 25, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
TDF:  Semen is added to a mimetic polyalloy to make a T1000 that can sexually reproduce with human females
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Norton Canes on May 25, 2019, 11:21:20 PM
^ The Sperminator
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Norton Canes on May 25, 2019, 11:22:16 PM
(obviously)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on May 25, 2019, 11:28:32 PM
TS: God knows. He's a human who's been roboticised, or something.

Who was the antagonist Terminator in that anyway?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 25, 2019, 11:36:55 PM
Who was the antagonist Terminator in that anyway?


Terryminator Wogan is the antagonist. He aims to snuff out the existence of the future leader of the resistance with light chat.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 26, 2019, 01:36:19 AM
Ok, so, a brief history of robotic baddies...

T1: Robotic cyborg.
T2JD: Mimetic Polyalloy... whatever THAT is. It maxde sense at the time, anyway.
T3RotM: Mimetic polyalloy covering robotic endoskeleton, meaning it can shapeshift but also have wepaons built into its chassis, and handy nanomachine injectors.
TS: God knows. He's a human who's been roboticised, or something. It's fucking Sam Worthington after all, anything about him is instantly forgettable.
TG: Uh... It's nanomachines which assimilate people who look like Matthew Perry, but turn their whole body into more nanomachines? I have no fucking clue.
TDF: An endoskeleton covered by nanomachines? We'll find out, if we care.

Coo.  That's a lot of terminators doing a lot of things.  Sprightly, ain't they?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 26, 2019, 11:13:10 AM
Who was the antagonist Terminator in that anyway?

That’s probably half the problem with that instalment: there wasn't really one. Being post-Judgement Day there were lots of Terminators. Non-humanoid ones, unskinned ones, their first attempt at a younger version of the Arnie one, their first attempt at turning SkyNet into a character in its own right...


Terryminator Wogan is the antagonist. He aims to snuff out the existence of the future leader of the resistance with light chat.

At this point, I’d probably watch that. On a related note, Arnie providing Eurovision commentary would be awesome.

Coo.  That's a lot of terminators doing a lot of things.  Sprightly, ain't they?

SkyNet is like Theresa May with her Withdrawal Bill votes, trying basically the same thing over and over.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 26, 2019, 11:20:07 AM
I know for a fact from speaking to important people that in the new film the robot will be covered in sprouting seeds, except for the anus of course.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 26, 2019, 12:24:11 PM
I know for a fact from speaking to important people that in the new film the robot will be covered in sprouting seeds, except for the anus of course.

I think Mary Oliver described this in passing.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on May 26, 2019, 12:39:46 PM
their first attempt at turning SkyNet into a character in its own right...

Oh jeeze, I completely forgot they turned Skynet into Helena Bonham-Carter doing a Holly-from-Red-Dwarf thing.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 26, 2019, 12:57:07 PM
They should have called her Sky-Annette
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 26, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
Helena Botnet-Cyber.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 26, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
Oh jeeze, I completely forgot they turned Skynet into Helena Bonham-Carter doing a Holly-from-Red-Dwarf thing.

Yep, and for ten points:  What was even happening
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on May 26, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
Yep, and for ten points:  What was even happening

I've seen Salvation and Genisys and I don't know what was happening in either of them.  Some CGI had to complete a task, using Time & explosions.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: beanheadmcginty on May 26, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
Michael Jackson's let himself go.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 26, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
All this talk of anuses in this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Anuses are not mentioned even once in any of the Terminator stories. I think you are all completely mad.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 26, 2019, 04:28:56 PM
All this talk of anuses in this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Anuses are not mentioned even once in any of the Terminator stories. I think you are all completely mad.

Metal skulls and red glowing eyes are also not explicitly mentioned in any dialogue.  Sometimes the storytelling can be visual you know.


In one deleted scene for the very first Terminator film someone attempts to snap off one of the T-800's buttocks with a crowbar.  Instead it lodges in the T-800's anus and the crowbar itself snaps.

Yes I know it's a deleted scene but it still counts.


It annoys me that people ignore this to promote the "painted-on" theory.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 26, 2019, 04:55:19 PM
I have done a ctrl+f and "anus" does NOT appear in the Terminator script by James Cameron.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 26, 2019, 04:59:52 PM
I have done a ctrl+f and "anus" does NOT appear in the Terminator script by James Cameron.

It doesn't need to.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 26, 2019, 05:39:12 PM
Yeah, nobody mentions anuses in Top Gun either, and that film is all about bumming.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 26, 2019, 05:45:08 PM
Yeah, nobody mentions anuses in Top Gun either, and that film is all about bumming.

Exactly.  And yes Brokeback Mountain names and luridly describes the human male anus 25 times, but that in no way fully reflects all the bumming they do in that.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 26, 2019, 06:03:20 PM
All this talk of anuses in this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Anuses are not mentioned even once in any of the Terminator stories. I think you are all completely mad.

The question of the terminator's anus has been one of the main talking points about the movie, ever since its initial release in 1984.  Seems a bit strange to take exception to its continued debate within this thread.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 27, 2019, 01:28:04 AM
I've just heard that they are now doing some reshoots and Schwarzenegger is refusing to re-shave his anus hair, which means it'll have to be painstakingly removed frame by frame with computers at considerable expense.

CGI anuses always look so fake.  They take the uncanny valley to new depths.  This film is gonna suck major testicle balls.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 27, 2019, 01:51:48 AM
CGI anuses always look so fake.

That's why the old school practical effects technique of painting them on looked so much more convincing.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 27, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
That's why the old school practical effects technique of painting them on looked so much more convincing.

The T-800 anuses were never painted on.  Please stop parroting this branch of biggytitbo propaganda; it really annoys me.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 28, 2019, 07:38:11 PM
Replies From View please think about this. The Terminator is a scary movie about a robot killer. It has nothing to do with anuses... it would be ridiculous. Audiences would laugh at it.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 29, 2019, 12:27:22 AM
It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or piles.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 29, 2019, 12:48:58 AM
Replies From View please think about this. The Terminator is a scary movie about a robot killer. It has nothing to do with anuses... it would be ridiculous. Audiences would laugh at it.

It is 78% about anuses, actually.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 29, 2019, 07:52:35 AM
And Terminator 2 is even more about anuses than that.  With the extra money they could really go to town on the percentage of the film that is about anuses, so it’s more like 92% or 93%.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 29, 2019, 08:00:47 AM
Honestly I give up!!!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 29, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
Honestly I give up!!!

Good I’m glad you have realised that I am right
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on May 29, 2019, 09:28:49 AM
The Terminator even references its own anus after it malfunctions, drawing attention to him:
"Fuck you, asshole."
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 09:29:33 AM
The Terminator even references its own anus after it malfunctions, drawing attention to him:
"Fuck you, asshole."

To be pedantic, the quote is actually "Fuck you, non-painted on asshole, unlike my own painted on asshole".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on May 29, 2019, 09:38:27 AM
To be pedantic, the quote is actually "Fuck you, non-painted on asshole, unlike my own painted on asshole".

I just rewatched this clip and he doesn't say this.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 09:39:39 AM
In one deleted scene for the very first Terminator film someone attempts to snap off one of the T-800's buttocks with a crowbar.  Instead it lodges in the T-800's anus and the crowbar itself snaps.  Yes I know it's a deleted scene but it still counts.   It annoys me that people ignore this to promote the "painted-on" theory.

If deleted scenes count, then so does this recently unearthed screenshot from a deleted scene depicting the T-800 have his anus spray painted on, in the Skynet factory...

(https://i.imgur.com/3EI63fo.jpg)

I just rewatched this clip and he doesn't say this.

It's on the Ultimate Director's Cut Special Edition Blu-Ray, mate.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 29, 2019, 09:46:35 AM
That’s a T-600.  If it was a T-800, it would be Arnold Schwarzenegger having it done.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 09:49:45 AM
That’s a T-600.  If it was a T-800, it would be Arnold Schwarzenegger having it done.

That is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

(at least now the studio have provided an updated screenshot from the deleted scene, with the mouth sorted out.  Clumsy of them, that.)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 29, 2019, 11:15:07 AM
I thought the plain-mouthed one was funnier, but anyway.

I can only assume this scene was deleted because it contradicts the established continuity of the series.  They knew it made a good visual, but at the end of the day coherent and logical storylines are what drive the Terminator films forwards, as well as anuses.  When something in Terminator 2 contradicts something established in The Terminator, it gets cut the fuck outta there
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 11:46:14 AM
Will anyone from this forum actually be going to the cinema to watch Terminator: Dark Fate?  Just curious.

(I certainly won't be)

I thought the plain-mouthed one was funnier, but anyway.

Fine, I've changed it back.  Blimey, you ain't half hard to please.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Avril Lavigne on May 29, 2019, 12:04:40 PM
Will anyone from this forum actually be going to the cinema to watch Terminator: Dark Fate?  Just curious.

I think my only experience of T:DF will be reading the negative reviews after it gets 40-50% on Rotten Tomatoes and taking a weird pleasure in seeing it turned out exactly as mediocre as I'd imagined, after which I'll forget about it until the follow-up comes out and then I'll do the same again.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 12:20:37 PM
I think my only experience of T:DF will be reading the negative reviews after it gets 40-50% on Rotten Tomatoes and taking a weird pleasure in seeing it turned out exactly as mediocre as I'd imagined, after which I'll forget about it until the follow-up comes out and then I'll do the same again.

I'm pretty much exactly the same, except I'll be watching a pirated copy to confirm my suspicions (which is exactly what I did with Genisys).  I'm not excited for the movie in the least but I like the first two movies well enough to want to form my own (almost certainly negative) opinion upon it.

It would be nice to be genuinely excited to see a popcorn movie for a change but I honestly can't remember the last time that I was.  They just don't make 'em like they used to.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: madhair60 on May 29, 2019, 01:05:25 PM
I didn't even think the original was that great if I'm honest. Never finished T2, got bored. Kid in it. Fucking arsed mate
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on May 29, 2019, 01:42:03 PM
When the aliens arrive and wipe us and all our culture out, the only Terminator things left alone will be the first two films and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

And maybe that time Triple H came out dressed as a Terminator
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on May 29, 2019, 04:50:59 PM
Will anyone from this forum actually be going to the cinema to watch Terminator: Dark Fate?  Just curious.

In keeping with the franchise’s time-travel shenanigans, I went back a week to answer your question:

I’ll almost certainly watch this. But I’ve realised when thinking that the idea of going to the cinema to do so feels quite incomprehensible. Netflix in about a year it is, then.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on May 29, 2019, 05:07:43 PM
When the aliens arrive and wipe us and all our culture out, the only Terminator things left alone will be the first two films and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

And maybe that time Triple H came out dressed as a Terminator

Apparently the Terminator 2-3D: Battle Across Time ride at Disney World Universal Studios was good and even had videos with Arnie and the T2 John Connor kid. Maybe aliens will find a mothballed version of that, after REAL robots have enslaved us.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 29, 2019, 06:08:09 PM
Well here's a video of the final showing - see for yourself:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQcubW--gGA
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 08:50:42 PM
Well here's a video of the final showing - see for yourself:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQcubW--gGA

Aye, it's on the DVD as well.  I wasn't impressed.  Then again, it's not designed to be viewed at home and in 2D.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: ZoyzaSorris on May 29, 2019, 10:14:56 PM
I didn't even think the original was that great if I'm honest. Never finished T2, got bored. Kid in it. Fucking arsed mate

I liked it at the time (being a stupid thirteen year old) but on rewatch a few years back I was yearning for the ghastly twot to be turned into a liquid metal kebab post haste. Enjoyed the first one on revisit though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 29, 2019, 11:06:53 PM
I liked it at the time (being a stupid thirteen year old) but on rewatch a few years back I was yearning for the ghastly twot to be turned into a liquid metal kebab post haste. Enjoyed the first one on revisit though.

The original movie is still my favourite.  I love the dark, 80's noir style and bleakness of it all.  The sequel's a great popcorn action flick but I'm more inclined to prefer the horror focused original.  Also, yeah; John Conner in T2 is a squealing irritant.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: madhair60 on May 30, 2019, 08:31:52 AM
a great popcorn action flick

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/oncinema/images/3/39/Greggshirt.JPG)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on May 30, 2019, 08:55:12 AM
The original movie is still my favourite.  I love the dark, 80's noir style and bleakness of it all.  The sequel's a great popcorn action flick but I'm more inclined to prefer the horror focused original.  Also, yeah; John Conner in T2 is a squealing irritant.

The sequel whilst not as totally focused on it does arguably do the horror aspect of the original even better with the T-1000 as the ultimate rentless monster. Besides beign badly made generally I'd say that's really what the films since have lost touch with, you have the odd chase scene but there more sci fi action rather than horror.

I do love the apocalyptic bleakness of the original, LA in T2 still has a certain coldness to it but the original merges it so well with the flash forwards that one becoming the other seems nature as a society on its last legs. Its cleaner in terms of plot as well with the Reese/Sarah romance fitting into the story very naturally which again I spose became a progressively larger problem as the franchise expanded.

John being realistically annoying though is surely intensional? before Arnie recycling 1-2 of his lines the film doesn't really look to paint him as "cool". You could say the same for Sarah in the original being an everyday waitress realistically terrified and out of her depth most of the film.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 30, 2019, 12:27:23 PM
As an unrelenting nightmare chase film, the first one can't be beaten.  The T-1000 is so overpowered that he keeps pulling his punches (walks slowly when his targets are within running distance, picks up speed when they are in a vehicle - things like that), whereas the T-800 in the first film does everything he can to get Sarah, and you feel it.

Yes T2 does other things besides being a nightmare chase film, but lacking those qualities of the first film makes it inferior in my book.  Plus it all just feels shinier and more glossy, not in a good way.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on May 30, 2019, 12:44:32 PM
I didn't get the sense the T-1000 was pulling punches, there's arguably less disparity between him and the T-800 than the latter and Reese in the first film, the film moves a bit more towards larger than life action generally though.

Again I think the original really works well because the LA setting itself feels so oppressive even when Arnie isn't on screen.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 30, 2019, 01:12:20 PM
I didn't get the sense the T-1000 was pulling punches,

In the arcade and subsequent corridor scenes, John Connor is in easy jog-and-stab distance but the T-1000 waits until they are all on a motorbike before he starts sprinting.  When he's in the hospital corridor behind the metal gate he stands still for far longer than he needs to for the benefit of a brilliant CGI effect - it's a fantastic moment but we lose the sense that he's doing everything in his power to do what he needs to do.  And he positively plods up the stairs towards his target in the last few scenes in the factory.

It’s my own feeling, that’s all.  Whereas in the first film the T-800 sustains the same level of tireless single-minded pursuit throughout.

Plus in the second film there’s that bit where they are all in the desert and the T-1000 doesn’t know where they are.  While the story is doing other strong things at this point it’s arguably a dead spot in terms of the nightmare chase aspect, and the Connors have to make the choice to put themselves back in danger.  The first film doesn’t really have that moment of lull.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gerald Fjord on May 30, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
when sarah and kyle fuck in the first one boy do they FUCK. you can see they stink comin out that screen in waves, like a hot dick coolin on a windersill.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 30, 2019, 02:08:30 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/oncinema/images/3/39/Greggshirt.JPG)

?

John being realistically annoying though is surely intensional?

Possibly.  Intentionally annoying is still annoying, mind.  It can work well enough when the annoying character is supposed to be someone that the viewer dislikes but when the viewer's supposed to be rooting for them... eehhhhh.  I don't have a massive problem with John in T2 but the older I get, the more annoying he becomes.

As an unrelenting nightmare chase film, the first one can't be beaten.  The T-1000 is so overpowered that he keeps pulling his punches (walks slowly when his targets are within running distance, picks up speed when they are in a vehicle - things like that), whereas the T-800 in the first film does everything he can to get Sarah, and you feel it.

Yes T2 does other things besides being a nightmare chase film, but lacking those qualities of the first film makes it inferior in my book.  Plus it all just feels shinier and more glossy, not in a good way.

I think that it very much comes down to individual taste but yes, personally speaking, I concur.

Plus in the second film there’s that bit where they are all in the desert and the T-1000 doesn’t know where they are.  While the story is doing other strong things at this point it’s arguably a dead spot in terms of the nightmare chase aspect, and the Connors have to make the choice to put themselves back in danger.  The first film doesn’t really have that moment of lull.

There's a brief respite for Kyle and Sarah in the motel in the first film but even then it never feels safe, in the same way that it does with the sequence in the desert in T2 (the momentum of the movie grinds to a halt at that point) and the Terminator soon tracks them down and the chase is back on.  I certainly agree that the relentlessness of the first film is a significant plus.

when sarah and kyle fuck in the first one boy do they FUCK. you can see they stink comin out that screen in waves, like a hot dick coolin on a windersill.

Along with the dodgy animatronic head of the Terminator looking in the mirror, that's one of the few things that I'm not so keen on in the original.  The sex scene goes on for an unnecessarily long time, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gerald Fjord on May 30, 2019, 02:21:39 PM

Along with the dodgy animatronic head of the Terminator looking in the mirror, that's one of the few things that I'm not so keen on in the original.  The sex scene goes on for an unnecessarily long time, in my opinion.

i can tell from this opinion that you have never FUCKED GOOD and i am truly sorry.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on May 30, 2019, 03:24:07 PM
i can tell from this opinion that you have never FUCKED GOOD and i am truly sorry.

I've talked before on this forum about how sex is a wonderful thing in real-life, but a tedious, pointless and boring slog in movies (outside of porn).
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on May 30, 2019, 04:29:47 PM
I've talked before on this forum about how sex is a wonderful thing in real-life, but a tedious, pointless and boring slog in movies (outside of porn).

(https://i.redd.it/p31m8d888y911.png)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on May 30, 2019, 07:55:01 PM
In the arcade and subsequent corridor scenes, John Connor is in easy jog-and-stab distance but the T-1000 waits until they are all on a motorbike before he starts sprinting.  When he's in the hospital corridor behind the metal gate he stands still for far longer than he needs to for the benefit of a brilliant CGI effect - it's a fantastic moment but we lose the sense that he's doing everything in his power to do what he needs to do.  And he positively plods up the stairs towards his target in the last few scenes in the factory.

It’s my own feeling, that’s all.  Whereas in the first film the T-800 sustains the same level of tireless single-minded pursuit throughout.

Plus in the second film there’s that bit where they are all in the desert and the T-1000 doesn’t know where they are.  While the story is doing other strong things at this point it’s arguably a dead spot in terms of the nightmare chase aspect, and the Connors have to make the choice to put themselves back in danger.  The first film doesn’t really have that moment of lull.

You could just as well say Arnie rising his gun slowly to shoot Sarah was pulling his punches IMHO.

Whilst I'd agree T2 is less wholey focused on it I do actually think the sections with the T-1000 have a more intense sense of danger to them. I don't think that's the be all and end all of how successful the films are though as again the original for me gets more currency out of its location generally, night time LA there is a much more threatening place in its general scuzziness that merges with the threat of the Terminator and Reeses flashbacks.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gulftastic on May 30, 2019, 08:13:33 PM
I like T3. I love the bleak ending. And the massive car chase sequence.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 30, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Fucking arsed mate


Painted on.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on May 30, 2019, 08:52:34 PM
The T-800 anuses were never painted on.  Please stop parroting this branch of biggytitbo propaganda; it really annoys me.


Still hawking your painted on bumhole denial I see, clearly you are in the pocket of big anus.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: olliebean on May 30, 2019, 10:03:26 PM
I've talked before on this forum about how sex is a wonderful thing in real-life, but a tedious, pointless and boring slog in movies (outside of porn).

Increasingly in porn too, I'm finding these days.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 30, 2019, 10:49:56 PM
Still hawking your painted on bumhole denial I see, clearly you are in the pocket of big anus.

You never ever tell the truth about Terminators' anuses and it riles me so.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: gib on May 30, 2019, 11:09:34 PM
OK, if he's on a mission in the nude and he drops his keys and has to bend over for them and his buttocks part revealing his anus and its painted on rather than a genuine anus and someone is there at close quarters staring up his arse and sees, this may alert them to the fact he's a terminator and not a real nude man (what is this arse observer even going to do with this information anyway!?). I accept that, I just think the order of events is so vanishingly unlikely that its not cost effective for the manufactures to install complex mechanical anuses when for all intents and purposes a painted on duplicate will do.

In that case why bother even painting one on? Surely a rival firm could run a much more efficient operation if they spared themselves the considerable expense of anus paint workshops.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on May 30, 2019, 11:20:37 PM
In that case why bother even painting one on? Surely a rival firm could run a much more efficient operation if they spared themselves the considerable expense of anus paint workshops.

Thank you, gib.  Finally somebody who understands.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: gib on June 01, 2019, 12:02:01 AM
Thank you, gib.  Finally somebody who understands.

No. Your 'sock' theory is the worst of all worlds.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 01, 2019, 12:17:08 AM
No. Your 'sock' theory is the worst of all worlds.

No it isn't.  You obviously haven't seen socks before.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: gib on June 01, 2019, 12:28:01 AM
I've seen pictures and videos, sometimes you can see a foot going in. So in a way I have seen a sock thank you, not that it makes any difference to the economic argument that is the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 01, 2019, 12:33:33 AM
The economic argument that is simply allowing the living tissue to take the form of an inside-out sock at the moment of anus?

Compared to the alternative of having dedicated paint-spraying machines installed to make one tiny dot between each the buttocks of each T-800.  To say nothing of all the costs involved in repairing and replacing T-800 units that were easily identified because their anuses gave them away.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: gib on June 01, 2019, 12:36:57 AM
An inside-out sock version is probably the least economically viable model on the market in this universe.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 01, 2019, 08:55:13 AM
In that case why bother even painting one on? Surely a rival firm could run a much more efficient operation if they spared themselves the considerable expense of anus paint workshops.


This is a common misconception but the way the cyberdyne production lines work it a actually costs them nothing to dab one on during the final pass where they spray paint on the eyebrows, moles and nipples. Literally a press of a button.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 01, 2019, 10:49:18 AM
So you think the eyebrows, moles and nipples are painted on the T-800 as well?

I know you're going to keep spreading this misinformation no matter what I say, but I hope at least some people out there can see you are conflating the T-800 with the rubber-skinned T-600.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 01, 2019, 11:28:27 AM
The eyebrows and nipples are textured but flesh colored until the final paint job, yes. The anus is just a flat jpeg that is spray pained on during this final pass as it was seen as the most cost effective way of achieving the illusion of an anus for the very limited scenarios where a terminator may need to part it's buttocks in order to assassinate someone.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on June 01, 2019, 10:07:57 PM
Again, you are referring to a previous model. These were discontinued once the dog checkpoints were replaced with gape-stations.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 01, 2019, 10:09:33 PM
“I vant your clothes, your boots and your socks.”
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 01, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
The eyebrows and nipples are textured but flesh colored until the final paint job, yes.

I suppose you believe the hair is textured painted flesh as well do you.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: danielreal2k on June 02, 2019, 05:53:37 PM
(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2016/08/grandmaak47.jpg)

Good to see Sarah Connor back hopefully the T-800 also returns to terminate the CGI department
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 02, 2019, 06:11:10 PM
I suppose you believe the hair is textured painted flesh as well do you.


They just bung a wig on it at the end.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: samadriel on June 03, 2019, 10:30:25 AM
But what if they have to terminate someone upside down?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: danielreal2k on June 03, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/25/18/8992950-6633109-image-m-24_1548442211623.jpg)

The Terminator 6  T-800 has a wife, pet dog and likes beer, also runs a drapery business with lovely selection of curtains.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteveDave on June 03, 2019, 01:40:23 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/25/18/8992950-6633109-image-m-24_1548442211623.jpg)

The Terminator 6  T-800 has a wife, pet dog and likes beer, also runs a drapery business with lovely selection of curtains.

Is that the maid he got pregnant?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 03, 2019, 03:56:07 PM
But what if they have to terminate someone upside down?

Well, obviously they squirt some superglue onto the underside of the wig, prior to plonking it onto the terminator's bonce.  Obviously.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 03, 2019, 08:39:56 PM

TV SPOT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwY5Lq953It=0m53s)

She said the line, she said the line, she said the line!!!

Fuck off, Terminator.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: bgmnts on June 03, 2019, 08:42:08 PM
TV SPOT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwY5Lq953It=0m53s)

She said the line, she said the line, she said the line!!!

Fuck off, Terminator.

I don't remember that in any of the films. Deleted scene?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 03, 2019, 08:48:27 PM
Can anybody explain to me the appeal of repeating versions of that line across all these films?

For Terminator 2 I know they were repeating several story beats and bits of dialogue from the first film and I kind of went along with that because sequels often do that kind of thing.  But “I’ll be back” seems to have spiralled out into its own thing, and I find it really baffling.  Is it a form of that Family Guy “quotation” humour where fans get a dopamine hit from familiar things being repeated?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 03, 2019, 08:52:13 PM
Can anybody explain to me the appeal of repeating versions of that line across all these films?

The studios think that fans would throw a hissy fit if the line wasn't included.  They consider it to be every bit as expected as an actual terminator itself in a sequel; an essential ingredient.  Perhaps fans like that do exist, I don't know but they shouldn't be pandering to complete morons.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 03, 2019, 09:05:45 PM
I was just reading the comments section over at Bloody-Disgusting and most people there hated the catchphrase's appearence in the trailer but there was one fella who said, without irony...

Quote
Fan service is a good thing. These movies are created for us to spend money on. We, the fans/consumer, play the most important role in the process and therefore we should be catered to.  It’s a sequel. It’s not meant to be original or creative.

So, I guess that's who the repeated catchphrases in sequels are aimed towards.  Like I said; morons.  Imagine being perfectly content to just have the same shit regurgitated over and over and over again, without any kind of innovation whatsoever.  Not just merely content; actively encouraging it.  Just sat there in the cinema, with a big old smile on their gormless faces, happy to hear the same old catchphrase being repeated for the billionth time.  Applauding it simply because they recognise it.  I hate people like that.  Absolutely fucking hate them.  They're the reason that the modern Hollywood movie landscape is a desolate one; a barren wasteland of unoriginal shit.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 03, 2019, 09:32:23 PM
Was "I'll be back" in Terminator 2?

The various Terminator lines are repeated in the sequels because since Terminator 3 the franchise has been a weird camp greatest-hits version of itself. edit: in fact a weird camp greatest-hits version of Terminator 2, mostly.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: magval on June 03, 2019, 09:42:55 PM
Aye, it was.

First film, it was a really good joke.

Second film, it carried a bit of weight because the whole dynamic changed. It was said in reassurance. It was GOOD that he'd be back. If you have to make the reference, it couldn't be done better.

That's it, that's all you get. Any time after that, it's just done to be done. I think in 3 it was "she'll  be back" wasn't it?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 03, 2019, 09:45:41 PM
Yes in Terminator 3 it was "she'll be back" and also a triumphant "I'm back!" from the T-850 after he'd been away for a few scenes.

I don't remember much about Terminators 4 and 5 but I'm pretty sure they used it as well.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on June 03, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Arnie said it almost all of his films in one form or another. It was very much his "thing", informing people of his plans to return at a future time.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 03, 2019, 09:53:28 PM
Arnie said it almost all of his films in one form or another. It was very much his "thing", informing people of his plans to return at a future time.

Weird the writers of those films bothered to keep putting it in.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on June 03, 2019, 09:55:12 PM
edit: BOLLOCKSED UP
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: greenman on June 03, 2019, 10:32:14 PM
The more I see that trailer the more clichéd it seems, the music, the slowmo, the lines, etc.

Weird the writers of those films bothered to keep putting it in.

You could argue though whilst it was more a throwaway line in Terminator(if a memorable one) it ended up being used in a different way afterwards, Arnie being the good guy in endless films with the villain gloating over him and sending him on some death quest to which he'd use it as a comeback. It was really more by the 90's it became a meme that films referenced regardless of whether it worked or not.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 03, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
One nice twist they could do in this is Arnie says 'ill be back'  but then doesn't come back and we never see him again.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 03, 2019, 10:54:36 PM
Or they show that for a T-800 the anus is legendarily “the mouth of the spine” and it’s going “I’ll be back” and the face of the T-800 is all irritated saying “You already are my back”.

And it isn’t very good but what would you expect from a sixth film of this.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 03, 2019, 10:56:11 PM
Maybe a scene where Arnie goes into a beauty salon and says "it'll be back, crack and sack".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 03, 2019, 11:16:19 PM
Or he goes into a Batman and Robin and says “ICE’ll be back!!!!!”
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on June 03, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
Aye, it was.

First film, it was a really good joke.

Second film, it carried a bit of weight because the whole dynamic changed. It was said in reassurance. It was GOOD that he'd be back. If you have to make the reference, it couldn't be done better.

That's it, that's all you get. Any time after that, it's just done to be done. I think in 3 it was "she'll  be back" wasn't it?
It'd been in six other films before that tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_be_back
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: magval on June 04, 2019, 06:22:24 AM
Aye I know I've been watching his films all my life
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on June 04, 2019, 06:32:32 AM
It's all very camp and a bit Chuckle Brothers-esque at this point - "I'll be back", "She'll be back", "I'm back!"...

The seventh film should obviously be set in a British underwear store circa 1976.

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on June 04, 2019, 07:59:19 AM
Maybe he could slip a disc and go 'ouch, my back', considering he's quite elderly now?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: samadriel on June 04, 2019, 09:25:56 AM
Well, obviously they squirt some superglue onto the underside of the wig, prior to plonking it onto the terminator's bonce.  Obviously.  Sheesh.

I think that's a bit far-fetched, don't you?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 04, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
The T2 teaser trailer used it, too.

https://youtu.be/HgV7-MJwUBw
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 04, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
Maybe he could slip a disc and go 'ouch, my back', considering he's quite elderly now?

Spider-Man 2 did it first.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on June 04, 2019, 12:05:50 PM
Spoilers now abound following a test screening. It does sound quite piss.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: danielreal2k on June 04, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Spoilers now abound following a test screening. It does sound quite piss.

Cameron liked Genisys..  So wasn't much hope really.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 04, 2019, 12:16:00 PM
It does sound quite piss.

I don’t mind the sound of that.  It depends what it’s striking as it comes out.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 04, 2019, 12:23:39 PM
So apparently the big bad of this film is a bloke who gives out free hardlight projection bees and won’t sell you a light switch.  And if you and your mates attempt to knock each other unconscious he will remove his plastic mask so that you can see all your face segments disappearing one by one.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on June 04, 2019, 12:30:53 PM
Cameron liked Genisys..  So wasn't much hope really.

He only produced this one to retain the rights, didn't he? Rarely bodes well.

I don’t mind the sound of that.  It depends what it’s striking as it comes out.

The faces of a captive global audience. Long been a dream of Jimmy Cameron's. Proper immersive cinema. Stay to the end of the credits for a cold poo down the back of the neck.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 04, 2019, 04:11:03 PM
Read the spoilers on the Reddit post. Hmm. That does make it sound all rather pointless, doesn't it? I can think of one answer to one of the poster's major objections to the plot. Well, that and he or she (just kidding, it's gonna be a he) is maybe being too hysterical, and his suggestions for how to improve/salvage the plot are equally trite and hackneyed.

But (as every Carrie Bradshaw monologue begins) I got to thinking: what is the Terminator story about?

Yes, it's an action movie franchise, and by and large it delivers on the requirements in herent in that. Sometimes it can produce some quite amazing set-pieces and sequences, but a lot of the time, is it really doing it any better than any other action movie franchise?

Is it about perseverance, and overcoming the odds? Well, yes, but isn't everything? Erin Brockovich is about that too, but does it without killer robots from the future - whether that's for the better or the worse, I leave up to you.

If I had to guess, it's about faith, and beieving that one man can make a difference; it can't be a coincidence the future saviour of mankind's initials are JC (I wonder if his mother was ever considered to be called Mary instead? Mary Connor, Sarah Connor...). That runs true for the original two films, and sort-of for the third. But the third also muddies things by saying that even then, the house always wins: Skynet is inevitable, Judgement Day is inevitable, essentially that mankind always sows the seeds of its own destruction. And from then on in the franchise John Connor becomes less important; it's no longer just his path to glory, it's the friends he makes along the way. In Salvation he isn't a legend yet, he's just dis guy, you know? In one possible future seen in TSCC, he doesn;t exist at all. In Genysys he's first Bingified and then Borgified and it doesn't even matter, post-Singularity life goes on.

Ironically enough, I saw one Tweet saying that what they should have done for a direct sequel to T2 is make a film of that theme park ride. And that there is EXACTLY the problem: there are people who just want to see people and cyborgs killing each other; but a film needs to be more than that, and it's probably the exact same people complaining the most when the more-than-that part sucks...
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 04, 2019, 04:12:13 PM
Spoilers now abound following a test screening. It does sound quite piss.

Aye, I read those spoilers too.  Like you say, it sounds awful.  Quelle surprise.

Cameron liked Genisys..  So wasn't much hope really.

As I've previously mentioned within this thread, James Cameron didn't actually like Terminator Genisys.  He did that promotional video as a favour to his friend, Arnold Schwarzenegger.  He admitted as much a couple of years after the movie's release.  Still a cunt move, mind.  Telling audiences that it's great and to spend their hard earned money to go and see it, when he knew full well that it was a load of old shite.

He only produced this one to retain the rights, didn't he? Rarely bodes well.

I don't believe this to be true.  Have you got a source for that?

Is it about perseverance, and overcoming the odds? Well, yes, but isn't everything? Erin Brockovich is about that too, but does it without killer robots from the future - whether that's for the better or the worse, I leave up to you.

Everything is better with killer robots from the future.  That's just an objective fact.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Goldentony on June 05, 2019, 12:22:11 AM
But (as every Carrie Bradshaw monologue begins) I got to thinking: what is the Terminator story about?

some arsehole from space going around with his knackers out giving it the big 'un
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on June 05, 2019, 01:07:26 AM
I don't believe this to be true.  Have you got a source for that?

Only my own increasingly failing memory. Doing some googling reminded me that Genisys was a rushed attempt at starting a new trilogy before the rights reverted back to Cameron this year. Definitely an element of Jim needlessly flogging his returned child with this new one, though. He may truly believe he has a brilliant story to tell but it's also an intentional slap in the face for the makers of T3 onwards.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 05, 2019, 01:31:32 AM
He may truly believe he has a brilliant story to tell but it's also an intentional slap in the face for the makers of T3 onwards.

To be fair, Terminator Salvation was a slap in the face to Terminator 3 and Terminator Genisys was a slap in the face to Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation.  It's retcon, upon retcon, upon retcon.  I don't blame James Cameron for wanting to wipe the slate clean, as there's too much baggage involved otherwise.  The problem is that he's making yet another shitty sequel.  Either do something worthwhile or leave it be.  Shit or get off the pot, Cameron.  Don't sputter out a drizzle of diarrhea and say "job's a good 'un".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on June 05, 2019, 07:49:34 PM
The T2 teaser trailer used it, too.

https://youtu.be/HgV7-MJwUBw

My favourite ever trailer.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on June 05, 2019, 08:08:55 PM
It is good, isn’t it? The gold standard for teaser trailers. I think seeing it was actually the first time I became aware there was going to be a sequel. That sounds incredible nowadays...

(the second time I heard anything about it was in a magazine article that was maybe using screenshots - somehow! - of either a proper trailer or some promotional footage released or leaked (you’ll forgive me if I can’t recall the exact details, it was 28 years ago after all) and seemed to be under the impression Arnie was playing two Terminators, one good one bad, with the latter dressed as a policeman for some reason...)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 05, 2019, 09:27:58 PM
Shit or get off the pot, Cameron.  Don't sputter out a drizzle of diarrhea and say "job's a good 'un".

I'm not sure I approve of drizzles of diarrhea being removed from the official shitting category guide.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 06, 2019, 10:23:32 AM
I'm not sure I approve of drizzles of diarrhea being removed from the official shitting category guide.

You don't have to approve, you just have to do it.

"Do it!  Do it now!"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on June 06, 2019, 05:23:24 PM
"I cannot shit my own pants, you must do it"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 06, 2019, 05:31:06 PM
I always say “shit yourself in someone else’s pants” instead of “put yourself in someone else’s shoes”.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on June 15, 2019, 05:11:55 PM
It'd been in six other films before that tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_be_back
Quote
See also:
  • I shall return
  • Girlie men
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 15, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
"Girlie men" sounds nothing like "I'll be back".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Cold Meat Platter on June 18, 2019, 01:13:38 AM
It does in the original Arameic.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on June 18, 2019, 03:09:45 PM
It does in the original Arameic Arnieic.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on June 18, 2019, 04:02:21 PM
It does in the original Arameic Caramac.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteveDave on July 19, 2019, 06:58:14 AM
Edward Furlong’s going to be John Connor again?

https://youtu.be/r3uiWlJDkpQ
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 19, 2019, 07:04:06 AM
Edward Furlong’s going to be John Connor again?

I don’t think it’s real modern day Edward Furlong, but CGI young Edward Furlong.  The sequel is following on from the second film and ignoring the ones that cast different people as Connor.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on July 19, 2019, 07:26:55 AM
Yes, it's apparently as Replies says. They'll CG his face onto another actor. A lot of people online are getting mighty excited thinking Ed's actually in the film, though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteveDave on July 19, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Awww he could probably use the crack money.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bazooka on July 19, 2019, 10:10:25 AM
Without a doubt they will just rotoscope his face onto the robocop, and use Morgan freemans voice to dub in "I'll come again".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteveDave on July 19, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
This is unclear (from wikipedia so what was I expecting?)

It was reported that Furlong's 1991 facial likeness from Terminator 2: Judgment Day will be used in flashback scenes through the use of CGI in Terminator: Dark Fate (2019). Jude Collie is his CGI stand-in as John Connor. On July 18 2019, during a panel for the film at San Diego Comic-Con, James Cameron confirmed that Furlong would be returning to reprise his role of John Connor.

Everywhere else is saying it's him though. Not CGI him, him him.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteveDave on July 19, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
Fuckinell!

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9100832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-Edward-Furlong.jpg)

He looks like the dad of the stinking family on my parents street (RIP)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on July 19, 2019, 11:45:36 AM
I wonder if we'll get actual Robert Patrick, rather than a deep fake.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 19, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9100832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-Edward-Furlong.jpg)

Well, exactly.  Unless they’re showing a timeline that went horribly wrong they can’t possibly be using modern day Edward Furlong.  Maybe Hollywood can put actors into fitness regimes that undo a lifetime of physical self-neglect, I dunno.  But it seems a lot of work to put into a man who may not even be able to act.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on July 20, 2019, 09:50:13 AM
Plus it's pretty clear from the trailers that John Connor isn't present for most of the big set-pieces and Sarah is on her own (whether the leaked synopsis is totally true or not).

I'm open to being impressed if they manage to work him into the film in a larger way, though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on July 20, 2019, 02:00:02 PM
Maybe they'll just say he ended up hairy and unwashed due to going mad cos of the robots trying to kill him business. Doesn't explain how fat he is, mind
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: AsparagusTrevor on July 24, 2019, 01:13:24 PM
Fuckinell!

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9100832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-Edward-Furlong.jpg)

He looks like the dad of the stinking family on my parents street (RIP)
I remember seeing that picture before a few years ago and thinking it's amazing how he manages to look too fat and too thin at the same time.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 24, 2019, 01:42:10 PM
Doesn't explain how fat he is, mind

He has been eating nothing except cheese.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on July 24, 2019, 02:39:46 PM
So that's why the T-1000 was driving a Ginsters lorry in the trailer for this new one. Dastardly plan, Skynet.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 24, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
Skynet chortling that John Connor's belly is so far away from his face that he can't even see that he's put his shirt on inside out.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: madhair60 on July 24, 2019, 02:42:36 PM
Sorry, are you fat-shaming the T-1000?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 24, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
Sorry, are you fat-shaming the T-1000?

Not unless the John Connor is the T-1000.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: madhair60 on July 24, 2019, 02:56:23 PM
don't give a shit to be honest
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 24, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
don't give a shit to be honest

Are you fat-shaming the T-1000?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: madhair60 on July 24, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
yeah.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: colacentral on July 24, 2019, 04:01:47 PM
It sounds like this has a similar plot to the upcoming Bill & Ted 3 then, one of those "you were destined to become a hero in the last two films, hence the time travel, but you ain't done fuck all" type things. Another "parallel thinking" Hollywood thing like Deep Impact and Armageddon.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Goldentony on July 24, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Is that southern dandy version of Arnold from 3 still canon after all the reboots and stuff? The amount of time and money wasted keeping Terminator going after 2 should be worthy of Nuremberg but that one bit where he just goes HAHHHH THEYYYAH! AHM SERGENT WILLIAM CANDY! is great. I'd rather see a Sergant Candy spin off
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on July 24, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
yeah.

The T-1000 has so much surplus liquid metal that it keeps generating superfluous inside-out t-shirts that it wears.

It’s funny because it even bothers doing the label on the outside.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on July 24, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
They haven't done one with a multiverse angle. That could be a way of making all the contradictory bits of crap a single story.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: St_Eddie on July 24, 2019, 06:51:14 PM
They haven't done one with a multiverse angle. That could be a way of making all the contradictory bits of crap a single story.

That's basically what Terminator: Genisys was doing.  A divergent path and an alternate timeline.  It was pish though, of course, so everyone just ignores it and sticks to the original timeline, including this new movie.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: kalowski on July 24, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
Aye, it was.

First film, it was a really good joke.
Better than that, it was the start of a brilliant section. Arnie looks around, says, "I'll be back" and goes out. Then he drives a car through the wall and proceeds to kill every single cop in the building. It just demonstrates how ruthless he really is.
Fucking love it.


"Hasta la vista, baby!"
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Piggyoioi on August 30, 2019, 02:13:31 PM
new trailer doesn't look too bad
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on August 31, 2019, 09:51:30 AM
For me, it's just doubling down on what a waste of time this looks to be.

"You may have changed the future... but you didn't change our fate!"

Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on August 31, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
Fuckinell!

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9100832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-Edward-Furlong.jpg)

He looks like the dad of the stinking family on my parents street (RIP)
has he really turned that tshirt inside out to get another day out of it
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 31, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
has he really turned that tshirt inside out to get another day out of it

Probably several days to be honest.  It’s a good thick shirt that one.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on August 31, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
This is unclear (from wikipedia so what was I expecting?)

It was reported that Furlong's 1991 facial likeness from Terminator 2: Judgment Day will be used in flashback scenes through the use of CGI in Terminator: Dark Fate (2019). Jude Collie is his CGI stand-in as John Connor. On July 18 2019, during a panel for the film at San Diego Comic-Con, James Cameron confirmed that Furlong would be returning to reprise his role of John Connor.

Everywhere else is saying it's him though. Not CGI him, him him.

It will be CGI John and it will be absolute shit. As if they would bring back Furlong at this point.

If the leak is to be believed (and it seems to have been confirmed by the new trailer) then it will be fucking horrendous too. Basically, it will shit on Terminator 2 in a huge way.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on August 31, 2019, 01:44:07 PM
It’s Alien3 all over again.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on August 31, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
It will be difficult to get into this when you know they're just going to completely ignore it as soon as the next Terminator film comes out.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: bgmnts on August 31, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
For me, it's just doubling down on what a waste of time this looks to be.

"You may have changed the future... but you didn't change our fate!"

Does any line in a film make less sense?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Kelvin on August 31, 2019, 05:41:26 PM
Does any line in a film make less sense?

It's cliche, but it just means they've changed that specific future, but are still doomed to face the Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: bgmnts on August 31, 2019, 05:47:23 PM
Eh fate and future are synonymous though, it's really stupid.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on August 31, 2019, 05:52:11 PM
For a film that must surely know it has nothing to offer beyond cheap nostalgia with a sprinkling of wokeness, I can't believe they squandered Sarah Connor saying "I'll be back" in the actual trailer.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 31, 2019, 06:31:04 PM
It will be difficult to get into this when you know they're just going to completely ignore it as soon as the next Terminator film comes out.

This is definitely the weirdest feature of this franchise.  The invitation for you to emotionally invest in a trajectory that is destined to immediately go in a bin.  It’s more strange than when you enjoy a film that has a planned but ultimately scrapped sequel, because with Terminator the repetition has made it routine and expected.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on August 31, 2019, 06:33:40 PM
For a film that must surely know it has nothing to offer beyond cheap nostalgia with a sprinkling of wokeness, I can't believe they squandered Sarah Connor saying "I'll be back" in the actual trailer.

I have a feeling the people who make film trailers aren’t involved at all in the creative process of making the movie.  They just get to see the film in advance and choose the bits they reckon will get bums on seats and don’t much care if the trailer ruins the film in the process.

Maybe I am wrong though.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Kelvin on August 31, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
Eh fate and future are synonymous though

No, they aren't. The future means the entirely of all coming events ("a period of time following the moment of speaking or writing; time regarded as still to come."), whereas fate is often (and in this instance) more specific, relating to a predetermined future of a specific person or event. 
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Butchers Blind on August 31, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
Remember queuing up at my local one screen cinema back in the day to see T2.  I have zero interest in this one probably because of the three piss poor sequels that have preceeded it. This might have worked without them but alas...
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on August 31, 2019, 06:42:48 PM
I have a feeling the people who make film trailers aren’t involved at all in the creative process of making the movie.  They just get to see the film in advance and choose the bits they reckon will get bums on seats and don’t much care if the trailer ruins the film in the process.

Maybe I am wrong though.

You're probably right. Especially with films like this.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: biggytitbo on August 31, 2019, 11:23:28 PM
I already sent this in a letter to David Cameron (got the address wrong but hopefully he got the gist and forwarded it on to James) that the best bit in the classic Terminator films T1-3, is where they are bare at the start and you can almost see the willy. So it makes sense if you're trying to recapture the massive box office success of those films that you basically make the entire film around the bit at the beginning where they're bare and you can almost see the willy.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on September 01, 2019, 01:32:54 AM
I already sent this in a letter to David Cameron (got the address wrong but hopefully he got the gist and forwarded it on to James) that the best bit in the classic Terminator films T1-3, is where they are bare at the start and you can almost see the willy.

Have to say, I was rather confused about the T-X having a willy, but I think you've cleared that up now.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 01, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
Never really understood the bits in the James Cameron Terminator films where the T-800 started to go doolally and made everyone play Simon Says for eight hours.  It was included in both those first two Terminator films and it fully bumped up their running times to about ten hours each.  A bonkers decision and it’s no wonder they ended up being such critical and commercial flops.  Thank the bones of god that Terminator 3 eventually came out to put some blood into the franchise’s stumps.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on September 01, 2019, 02:29:15 AM
Replies you are mental!!!!! those things didn't happen! sometimes I think you are off on another planet.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on September 01, 2019, 06:38:39 AM
No, they aren't. The future means the entirely of all coming events ("a period of time following the moment of speaking or writing; time regarded as still to come."), whereas fate is often (and in this instance) more specific, relating to a predetermined future of a specific person or event.

While you're correct, I'd say most people do think of "fate" and "future" as much the same thing and it's still an awful train-wreck of a line.

Is it me or does Hamilton's acting seem very wooden in these clips as well? Like she's trying way, way too hard to channel Cameron's ongoing wank fantasy. Will be a right laugh if her and Arnie end up giving really moving, elegiac performances.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on September 01, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
This is definitely the weirdest feature of this franchise.  The invitation for you to emotionally invest in a trajectory that is destined to immediately go in a bin.  It’s more strange than when you enjoy a film that has a planned but ultimately scrapped sequel, because with Terminator the repetition has made it routine and expected.

This is only the second time they have done a reboot though. You could kind of argue this is the first time. Terminator 1-4 all followed on from each other despite recastings and some plot inconsistencies. Genisys rebooted it by having the timeline changed before the first one so you could argue that Terminator 1-5 are all the same universe.

Terminator Dark Fate is the only one to outright discount several sequels. The fact that the trailer is trying to make out like this is the true sequel will end up looking hilarious when it turns out that Terminator 3 is still a better Terminator film.

The next step is the full on reboot. With Arnie getting a cameo as some guy killed by the Terminator. Linda Hamilton playing one of the wrong Sarah Connors who gets killed early on. Vince Vaughn as The Terminator.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on September 01, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
Dark Fate is set to be the first installment of a new trilogy (of course), so if it makes money they'll plow this furrow for years yet.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on September 01, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
They've been in the same position with Terminator films before. It's almost like a time loop. The only way to break the curse is to bring back the original Kyle Reese actor. Naked.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 01, 2019, 12:47:47 PM
Dark Fate is set to be the first installment of a new trilogy (of course), so if it makes money they'll plow this furrow for years yet.

This was also the plan for Terminator 3, Salvation and Penisys.


The only way this can be different is if the Terminator: New Class are front and centre of the final frame of Dark Fate, ready to take on the world like hip Ghostbusters, with John and Sarah in the background, obsolete.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on September 02, 2019, 12:40:47 AM
This was also the plan for Terminator 3, Salvation and Penisys.


The only way this can be different is if the Terminator: New Class are front and centre of the final frame of Dark Fate, ready to take on the world like hip Ghostbusters, with John and Sarah in the background, obsolete.

They've set up a new goodie and baddie Terminator plus a new Sarah Connor so it certainly seems they're going down that route.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Head Gardener on September 07, 2019, 10:41:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LEcNO2H.png)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 07, 2019, 11:28:43 AM
I LOLed
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on September 07, 2019, 08:24:37 PM
They've set up a new goodie and baddie Terminator plus a new Sarah Connor so it certainly seems they're going down that route.

Which is the same issue Genisys had. Spend the whole film introducing all these new elements and building a new norm and then it is a failure and that is a waste of a film.

At least Terminator 3 just wanted to be a film on its own and not be obsessed about setting up future sequels.

That'll be the really sad thing about all this. Cameron and Hamilton back and they'll produce something that doesn't match Terminator 3. I wouldn't be surprised if Terminator 3 goes through a Star Wars prequel style resurgence in popularity following Dark Fate with the internet insisting it isn't a fucking failure of a Terminator film.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 07, 2019, 11:40:38 PM
Quote
and that is a waste of a film

My new favourite phrase.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on September 08, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Terminator 3 goes through a Star Wars prequel style resurgence in popularity following Dark Fate with the internet insisting it isn't a fucking failure of a Terminator film.

Yeah I hate when the reputation of something crap improves over time just because its sequels are even worse.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on September 08, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
Terminator 3 isn't a bad film, it's just nowhere near as good as the first two.

You can just watch the first two and feel satisfied that the story had reached it's end anyway. A third was never needed, hence why Cameron never bothered his arse making one

Dark Fate will be a load of cobblers, as nothing in the trailers looks remotely good or interesting. It is quite literally just being made so Cameron gets the rights back

There's part of me that still thinks Cameron will do his own T3 within the next few years. At the moment he's just letting others do it so he can enjoy the profits without doing anything. I read online recently that he didn't even visit the set of Dark Fate, so that should tell us just how involved he is
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on September 08, 2019, 03:41:21 PM
Terminator 3 isn't a bad film, it's just nowhere near as good as the first two.

I don't mind Terminator 3. It is a good enough action film and has some good ideas (most of which are not explored). But it is a bad Terminator film. Just not as bad as the next two (and almost certainly three).

Can't wait for people to insist it is on par with The Terminator and Terminator 2.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Johnny Textface on September 08, 2019, 07:03:36 PM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 08, 2019, 07:10:09 PM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.

Did we ever do a thread on this?  I feel like we must have done but haven't managed to find one with a quick google search.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 08, 2019, 10:36:49 PM
Lethal Weapon 3 is actually alright, its main flaw is in eschewing having a memorable villain in favour of casting somebody so forgettable nobody can remember anything he was in before or after... or even his name. Stuart somebody?

And, I sometimes think Star Trek 3 was thrown under the bus just to help justify the odd-Star-Trek-film trope. Plus coming between 2 and 4, still considered two of the best Trek films, not just of the TOS cast ones but all of them.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Gulftastic on September 09, 2019, 05:53:45 AM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.

Obligatory Toy Story 3 mention.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on September 09, 2019, 07:15:52 AM
Did we ever do a thread on this?  I feel like we must have done but haven't managed to find one with a quick google search.

Here you go.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68373.0.html
 (https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,68373.0.html)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SavageHedgehog on September 09, 2019, 08:04:25 AM
Lethal Weapon 3 is actually alright, its main flaw is in eschewing having a memorable villain in favour of casting somebody so forgettable nobody can remember anything he was in before or after... or even his name. Stuart somebody?

He hams it up a treat as the villain in the third Ninja Turtles film. By most objective measures that is not a good film, but it's the one I saw in the cinema as a kid so it is a good film.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 09, 2019, 08:10:02 AM
Superman 3 is the best Superman film.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Johnny Textface on September 09, 2019, 03:56:36 PM
Superman 3 is the best Superman film.

I agree with you there although you might be being silly.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 09, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
Does Goldfinger count? Also Moore’s third, The Spy Who Loved Me. And Skyfall for Craig. Though not The Workd IsNot Enough for Brosnan.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on September 09, 2019, 06:16:55 PM
I agree with you there although you might be being silly.

No I’m being serious.  I love Superman’s battle with his bad self and all the silliness in the film.  Whereas the first film (and the second one for the most part) thinks it’s Ben-Hur or something.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on September 09, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
I also think Superman 3 is the best one.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on September 09, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
Return of the Jedi is clearly decent.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Johnny Textface on September 09, 2019, 10:20:34 PM
Return of the Jedi is clearly decent.

Doesn't have 3 in the title.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: thecuriousorange on September 09, 2019, 10:42:27 PM
Yea but someone else said Goldfinger.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Goldentony on September 10, 2019, 12:51:54 AM
Police Academy isn't the best, 4 is the best, but it's not far behind

Police Story 3: Supercop is probably tied as best with the first film
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on September 10, 2019, 04:38:41 AM
This is only the second time they have done a reboot though. You could kind of argue this is the first time. Terminator 1-4 all followed on from each other despite recastings and some plot inconsistencies. Genisys rebooted it by having the timeline changed before the first one so you could argue that Terminator 1-5 are all the same universe.

That's the letter of the law rather than the spirit, as it were. Ts 1-3 were a trilogy. Salvation was supposed to be part of a new trilogy but that got scrapped. Genesys was supposed to be the start of a trilogy too and that got scrapped. This one I'm not sure about (maybe yet another planned trilogy? I'm sure the studio doesn't expect it to end all the Terminators forever) but is definitely another attempt to reset the franchise.

So regardless of continuity wank, he was right in the only way that matters.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: kalowski on September 10, 2019, 06:21:24 AM
Superman 3 is not as good as Superman 2.
"Kneel before Zod."
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: phantom_power on September 10, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors is the winner
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: JamesTC on September 10, 2019, 06:34:52 PM
That's the letter of the law rather than the spirit, as it were. Ts 1-3 were a trilogy. Salvation was supposed to be part of a new trilogy but that got scrapped. Genesys was supposed to be the start of a trilogy too and that got scrapped. This one I'm not sure about (maybe yet another planned trilogy? I'm sure the studio doesn't expect it to end all the Terminators forever) but is definitely another attempt to reset the franchise.

So regardless of continuity wank, he was right in the only way that matters.

Ah right, didn't realise that Terminator Salvation was supposed to be the start of a new trilogy. Then again, I remember very little of Terminator Salvation.

Dark Fate is supposed to be part of a new trilogy. And it won't be.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: mothman on September 10, 2019, 09:30:22 PM
Salvation doesn’t “feel” like it’s part of the first trilogy (which would make it a quadrilogy). It definitely could be said to follow on from T2 at least, because Connor recognises the Arniealike T-800, so he’s seen one and knows the significance of it.

The problem is that T3 has him apparently being killed by an Arniealike T-800 in the future, after the war is won. And that it gets him by playing on his nostalgic memories of the one from T2. But since he encounters one in Salvation, and it’s quite definitely NOT cute and cuddly and reprogrammed, and he barely survived the experience, would that strategy actually work?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Goldentony on September 10, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
Terminator 3 really should have kept HOWDY I'M SERGANT WILLIAM CANDY
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shaky on September 11, 2019, 02:52:38 PM
This one I'm not sure about (maybe yet another planned trilogy? I'm sure the studio doesn't expect it to end all the Terminators forever) but is definitely another attempt to reset the franchise.

It is meant to lead into another trilogy - I mentioned that a couple of posts up as Cameron has said as much in interviews.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on September 11, 2019, 04:59:53 PM
Oh, "good".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Malcy on October 03, 2019, 09:26:47 PM
Spanish trailer with a fair bit of new footage

https://youtube.com/watch?v=o-3_aTo8sTM
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on October 03, 2019, 11:12:38 PM
That's the letter of the law rather than the spirit, as it were. Ts 1-3 were a trilogy. Salvation was supposed to be part of a new trilogy but that got scrapped.

Terminator 3 was supposed to be a springboard into a new trilogy wasn't it?  It opened things up that were wrapped up perfectly well in Terminator 2 and could have otherwise been left alone.

Terminators 3, 4 and 5 were, as far as I remember, all separate and abandoned attempts to get new trilogies started.  None of them was conceived as standalone.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 06, 2019, 11:37:35 PM
Saw 5 minutes of this before Joker today. IMAX exclusive, bruv

It looks so, so bad
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on October 06, 2019, 11:43:34 PM
New t1000 looks like that bit in streets 9f rage 2 where they start putting copy paste bosses from earlier on thin the game in, just in a new colour
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on October 06, 2019, 11:44:52 PM
Has linda Hamilton done much since t2? Would quite like do see her in a non dog muck film
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 06, 2019, 11:47:58 PM
Ungentlemanly I know, but she introduced the 5 minute clip and she looks ancient now. A walnut with a pump action
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on October 07, 2019, 12:18:37 AM
A walnut with a pump action

Well there's your sequel to Hobo with a Shotgun sorted.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on October 07, 2019, 12:20:46 AM
Ungentlemanly I know, but she introduced the 5 minute clip and she looks ancient now. A walnut with a pump action

That's alright tho isn't it?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: H-O-W-L on October 09, 2019, 03:08:17 PM
The problem is that T3 has him apparently being killed by an Arniealike T-800 in the future, after the war is won. And that it gets him by playing on his nostalgic memories of the one from T2. But since he encounters one in Salvation, and it’s quite definitely NOT cute and cuddly and reprogrammed, and he barely survived the experience, would that strategy actually work?

Salvation pretends that T3 didn't happen. Pretty much all of it contradicts T3's apocalyptic timeline iirc. But who the fuck knows when there's comics and books and audiobooks and stage plays put on by The Protomen that are considered canon in some degree? And that fucking Sarah Connor Chronicles stuff.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Bad Ambassador on October 09, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
Has linda Hamilton done much since t2? Would quite like do see her in a non dog muck film

A $50m divorce settlement suggests not needing to work much.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: NJ Uncut on October 09, 2019, 06:42:03 PM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.

Halloween 3
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: H-O-W-L on October 09, 2019, 08:57:36 PM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.

Back to the Future 3, except for the fucking train.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Sebastian Cobb on October 09, 2019, 09:08:12 PM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien,

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/cb7b1f48eaaa878680352a5c2006ace9/tenor.gif?itemid=13846013)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: druss on October 23, 2019, 12:11:35 PM
Shit again.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Head Gardener on October 23, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
I saw it earlier today and thought it was the best of the Terminator films since T2, so one thumb up
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on October 23, 2019, 11:59:39 PM
Back to the Future 3, except for the fucking train.

I watched this again today.  I think the train stuff is exciting, so there.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: touchingcloth on October 24, 2019, 01:59:12 AM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.

Star Wars. Both Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2019, 03:12:04 AM
I saw it earlier today and thought it was the best of the Terminator films since T2, so one thumb up

Wow, high bar there.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: cliggg on October 24, 2019, 08:07:42 AM
There is a really good action sequence and the start, a really good action sequence at the end and a load of shite in between. It was better than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Head Gardener on October 24, 2019, 09:12:16 AM
yeah the fight sequences are great but the inbetweeny bits held it all together enough to have an understandable albiet hokey plot - I did wheeze shiiit twice

(http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/gFwZfXIqD0eNW/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: kidsick5000 on October 24, 2019, 09:31:10 AM
It is the best in ages, simply by rejecting the nods and winks.
One sequence at the start uses what must be some new Cameron tech. It's bloody astounding.

Why has Linda Hamilton not been in more stuff?
This is post-acting lessons Arnie. He has the best line in the film.

The only bit that didn't work and action scene towards the end where physics is stretched to snapping and it's just a bit too messy. But it comes back and sticks the landing.

It is, after 28 years and on the fourth attempt, a worthy T3.
It lacks that scope. And a bit of practical FX wow factor. But it's good.

That said, don't fall into this trap that Terminator always was an ultra ace thing. A scrappy B-movie led to it's director and star becoming ultra famous and they eventually created a pretty damned good sequel. That's all.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SavageHedgehog on October 24, 2019, 09:37:37 AM
I really enjoyed it. It doesn't hit the "lives up to the legacy of the first two" mark, and you could argue that makes it a failure, but I did find it to be a lot more than just "better than the last three". I liked the new characters, Hamilton is great, and Arnie probably has half the screentime he had in Genysis yet it has so much more impact. I liked the trailers more than most people, but I was still pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: beanheadmcginty on October 24, 2019, 08:51:56 PM
Did they explain why that army bloke with the EMP was so keen to help Sarah? I may have been in the bog if they did. I thought he was going to turn out to be the kid of the scientist bloke from T2 but I didn't see any explanation of how or why he'd give this wanted fugitive a WMD and access to his aeroplanes.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 24, 2019, 09:29:15 PM
Is there a good 3 film? Alien, Robocop, Jaws, Rambo.. all a load of old shite. Maybe The Exorcist at a push. Actually Iron Man 3 is great so ignore me.
Nightmare On Elm Street 3
Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome (if you're feeling generous)
Rocky 3
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Return of the King
Army of Darkness
Back To The Future 3

Or are you literally just meaning movies billed as a part 3?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 27, 2019, 07:54:28 PM
Yeah, this was alright. Easily the best since T2, and the two hours flew by.

There's hardly any downtime, it's all action, and happily the action is pretty good. Especially the opening chase and the final showdown.

I like how they used Arnie this time, and glad he was used more sparingly for this one. It would've been alright without him, mind. But, you know, it's Terminator, so Arnie

The three lead women were very good in their roles and likeable, and I did find myself caring about them by the end. Which helped to raise the stakes somewhat

New baddy Terminator was pretty good, too. Not a million miles from the T-1000, but with a few neat new tricks.The CGI didn't look too great, mind. Like a PS3 game at points

Overall I enjoyed it, and I'm willing to accept it as the real sequel to T2, as it's certainly better than the last three goes. I liked that it was a simple and straightforward chase film again, after the insanely confusing and convoluted bollocks that was Genisys. It's been done before, and better, twice, but it was back to basics and entertaining

Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: popcorn on October 27, 2019, 09:39:09 PM
My gran saw this today. She said it was too much fighting for her but quite good if you like that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Piggyoioi on October 28, 2019, 12:19:47 AM
disappointing, they still never revealed how big the terminators dick is, which would obv be so important to creating a covert agent ( see our own police dept for these methods)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Thomas on October 28, 2019, 12:35:47 AM
I believe a length of Termo-dick is visible in the first film, but with all the changing timeline bullshit that might no longer(!) be canon.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on October 28, 2019, 08:15:11 PM
What annoyed me more than anything about this movie was that they retconed the existing lore, so that the terminators no longer have painted on anuses.  How am I supposed to take this fictional universe seriously when the terminators don’t have painted on anuses?!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on October 29, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
You know how Cameron was so very cross that Alien3 put characters that he’d built up in Aliens immediately into grave?


Well, I’m not going to say the next bit because of spoilers etc, but BLIMEY HAHA.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on October 29, 2019, 07:48:00 PM
SHOULD HAVE JUST LOWERED HIM INTO THE LAVA AT THE END OF THE SECOND FILM
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on October 29, 2019, 07:50:29 PM
“I KNOW NOW WHY YOU CRY.  Okay come on then, off we both pop.  DO THE HONOURS WOULD YOU SARAH; CHEERS.”
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on October 30, 2019, 01:20:00 AM
You know how Cameron was so very cross that Alien3 put characters that he’d built up in Aliens immediately into grave?


Well, I’m not going to say the next bit because of spoilers etc, but BLIMEY HAHA.

I know, right?! So fucking hypocritical!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on October 30, 2019, 07:14:24 AM
Deffo reckon Furlong for the Oscar. Sublime performance
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: samadriel on November 16, 2019, 11:12:25 AM
I've been waiting for a Mackenzie Davis/Mackenzie Crook joke in this thread, maybe something about skinny blondes...  I thought she was great, but she couldn't turn this movie around, it was strictly adequate.  In a happier universe where the Terminator series hadn't been digging itself a grave for the past 25 years, this movie might have been enough, but that's not really the case.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on November 16, 2019, 03:14:09 PM
I've been waiting for a Mackenzie Davis/Mackenzie Crook joke in this thread...

*cough*

(https://i.imgur.com/eV73yDW.jpg?1)

Mackenzie Crook has never looked better!
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on November 25, 2019, 09:57:14 AM
I finally got around to watching this and it's a big old pile of nothing.  The only scene in which I was engaged was when the first meet Carl.  By and large, it was one big retread of the previous movies in the series, with little in the way of a plot; it was just a bunch of boring action set pieces, completely lacking in tension because I couldn't give a fig as to whether any of the characters survived or not.  Also, I counted three occasions throughout its runtime where I rolled my eyes at a line of dialogue.

I could go on but this video review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQWXvAY1rU) pretty much covers my own feelings on the matter.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Shameless Custard on November 27, 2019, 12:53:52 AM
Edward Furlong's "scene" is now on YouTube. Albeit wrapped inside a fan edit

Seeing it a second time, the de-aging effects are pretty incredible

https://youtu.be/hQ6QqyZKVAY
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: H-O-W-L on November 29, 2019, 06:27:02 AM
I watched this again today.  I think the train stuff is exciting, so there.

The train climax is thrilling.

The flying Time Train can fuck to get.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on November 29, 2019, 08:02:10 AM
I found it to be as thrilling as staring at a moss covered rock.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on November 29, 2019, 06:20:35 PM
The train climax is thrilling.

The flying Time Train can fuck to get.

It's a funny gag that aims to top the flying Delorean at the end of the first film (which was only initially meant to be a gag as well).
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Blumf on November 29, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
It's a funny gag that aims to top the flying Delorean at the end of the first film (which was only initially meant to be a gag as well).

Makes you wonder how they'd top it in a fourth film. Some form of transport bigger than a steam engine. Jumbo Jet probably.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on November 29, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
Makes you wonder how they'd top it in a fourth film. Some form of transport bigger than a steam engine. Jumbo Jet probably.

Probably some kind of wind tunnel sucking air from around the edges of vehicles then tracing around them in a primary school art class.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on November 29, 2019, 07:30:27 PM
(Sorry to be so obvious.)
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on November 30, 2019, 12:44:29 AM
If one terminator is good, then several thousand terminators are better.  The bigger, the better.  That’s what she said.  Moar terminators = the big bucks and a condominium in Alaska.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: samadriel on November 30, 2019, 02:04:40 AM
Fucking edit bug
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on November 30, 2019, 03:43:25 AM
Fucking edit bug

I’d say terminate it but let’s face it; it’ll be back.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: olliebean on January 14, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
This is "available."

It's good fun and mostly hits the right notes, but it's nothing really new story-wise, it's largely a retread of T1 with bits of T2 tossed in.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Malcy on January 14, 2020, 04:49:45 PM
This is "available."

It's good fun and mostly hits the right notes, but it's nothing really new story-wise, it's largely a retread of T1 with bits of T2 tossed in.

Pretty much what I thought as well. Just watched it this morning and been doing the dun dun dun dun dun in my head since. I think they are so lost with the films that they should just make a series set during the future war and wrap up the story and LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE in the future.

On saying that I'm always up for watching something Terminator so if they keep making I'll probably watch.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on January 14, 2020, 04:52:13 PM
Anyone got a link for where it is “available”?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: SteK on January 17, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
Anyone got a link for where it is “available”?

MagnetDL dot com
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: BRen on January 30, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
Why do the future scenes never look as terrifying as they were portrayed in the first two Terminator films? The endless night, literally the ground paved with human skeletons (like the Paris Catacombs) and the purple lasers firing everywhere, when I was a kid those portrayals shit me up and I always thought that's how we'd see the future war look in any future Terminator films. But they always look fairly 'post-nuclear' standard now, basically like Fallout with blown up buildings and stuff, bit of rubble, maybe a few skeletons, but actually fairly pleasant in comparison.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: phantom_power on January 30, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
Starting watching this, fell asleep, have no inclination to go back to it
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Mister Six on January 30, 2020, 12:34:30 PM
Why do the future scenes never look as terrifying as they were portrayed in the first two Terminator films?

Because all of the other directors have been shit compared with Cameron.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: 13 schoolyards on January 30, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
Why do the future scenes never look as terrifying as they were portrayed in the first two Terminator films?

And because in the first two films the grim future was meant to be something our heroes were trying to avoid, and so had to look as nasty and brutal as possible - pretty much all the later ones (but especially Salvation) wanted the future to be this cool battleground where badasses got to fight killer robots that weren't really that hard to kill and it's just a video game really pew pew.

In the first one you don't even see how future humans can kill a regular terminator - that one that gets into the underground shelter cleans everyone up pretty easily.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on January 30, 2020, 04:47:55 PM
And also because in the first films the visions of the future only needed to serve the function of nightmare vision.  They were terrifying but there was no story there, just a sense that nobody could stay still for long enough to rest or sleep because otherwise something would get them.  It was an extrapolation of the themes of the first film, essentially, except with absolutely no escape, and all the imagery of skulls and endless flying machines and Terminators on the ground communicating that it would be impossible to live there.  Eventually you would need to rest, and then, as with slowly stalking zombies and the creatures in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, they'll get you.

That's what I reckon anyway, and I also think it's inevitable that anyone trying to place a story within that futurescape is going to transform it into a more liveable place.  That visceral terror of the future from the first two films works in glimpses, but not sustained over a two hour period unless your entire story is a computer game without any narrative beyond "run away from the scary shit".
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: kalowski on January 30, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
And CGI vs models and stop motion.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: idunnosomename on January 30, 2020, 09:17:57 PM
it's basically hell. in terminator 2 the narrative changes that there is another way, and our own choices can escape damnation, and it's a good movie in that sense as well as all the good action scenes and drama and characters. after that it's like no it needs to happen anyway because movies need to happen to make money
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Jim Bob on January 30, 2020, 09:37:45 PM
it's basically hell. in terminator 2 the narrative changes that there is another way, and our own choices can escape damnation, and it's a good movie in that sense as well as all the good action scenes and drama and characters. after that it's like no it needs to happen anyway because movies need to happen to make money

"There is no fate but what the box office dictates."
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: H-O-W-L on February 01, 2020, 07:46:40 AM
There was a computer game that came out recently set in the Future War and it looks pretty authentic and convincing, and apparently Terminators are hard as nails and basically unkillable fuck machines. Haven't played it yet though because it looks like a game from 2008, and apparently does not have enough gameplay to make it worth £30.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on February 01, 2020, 09:03:13 AM
MagnetDL dot com

Torrents are mean to me and I cannae do them.
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Replies From View on February 01, 2020, 09:05:28 AM
There was a computer game that came out recently set in the Future War and it looks pretty authentic and convincing, and apparently Terminators are hard as nails and basically unkillable fuck machines. Haven't played it yet though because it looks like a game from 2008, and apparently does not have enough gameplay to make it worth £30.

The poor graphics of these things always end up perpetuating the myth that the T-800 strolled around with a dollop of paint between its buttock cheeks instead of an anus.  >:(
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on February 16, 2020, 04:57:48 PM
Here's my less than exciting review -  It's an okay if oddly pointless feeling film, we've moved on to Skynet but a new AI called Legion is invented a couple of decades down the line and even though our heroes win again surely it's only a matter of time before we're doomed once more. The set pieces are mostly fine but the dialogue inbetween them is bland, and I've no urge to see another film in the series. 5.8/10

Also: In the first film they only sent one terminator back due to running out of time before the humans stormed the base and got hold of the time machine, but is there any reason why they couldn't have sent back twenty or thirty terminators this time around?
Title: Re: Terminator (2019)
Post by: timebug on February 20, 2020, 09:22:49 AM
Agree with SMBH's post, I watched it and was generally underwhelmed! It's what I class as a 'so what?' film. It passes two hours of my life but my life is neither better, nor worse for having done so. Dialogue bland to the point of being written by a five year old; getting sick of  the endless 'look how smart I am at doing CGI' inserts in everything;leave it now,and move on.