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Title: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 22, 2021, 05:41:05 PM
As every team decides to spend less and be less interesting, let's see what 2021 has to offer us.

Hank Aaron dead at 86 (https://www.wbrz.com/news/baseball-legend-hank-aaron-dead-at-age-86)

Oh.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Gurke and Hare on January 22, 2021, 05:49:10 PM
There's also the Mets, for the second consecutive off-season having to fire a high profile hire before the season even starts for something they did in their previous job.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 22, 2021, 06:51:25 PM
Ah yes, and here's a story about it:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30741273/new-york-mets-fire-gm-jared-porter-wake-report-sent-explicit-texts-images

What's at least decent about this time is I've read very little which says the Mets are overreacting. So, very slight progress?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on January 22, 2021, 07:28:40 PM
Blue Jays have got Springer. Am really excited for the season now.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Bernice on January 22, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Got into it in a big way for the first time during the 2020 playoffs. Need to find a team this season so I can start getting hats.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on January 22, 2021, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: Bernice on January 22, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Got into it in a big way for the first time during the 2020 playoffs. Need to find a team this season so I can start getting hats.

yeah it is always a bit arbitrary as a non US/Canadian fan, I find. I picked the Jays as I started watching during 92/93 when they were great, and then I went to Canada in 2003 and got to go to Opening Day vs the Yankees which sort of sealed the deal. I picked the Browns for NFL and the Wild for NHL, but they're looser connections based on a perception that may not even be true. Still not picked an NBA team really, though I do like basketball.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Bernice on January 22, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
It's unfortunate because the team I actually feel a pull towards is the Yankees - saw them beat the Red Sox in London, know about them via Seinfeld - but I mean, fuck that. Can't be an overseas fan latching onto the fucking Yankees.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on January 22, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: Bernice on January 22, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
It's unfortunate because the team I actually feel a pull towards is the Yankees - saw them beat the Red Sox in London, know about them via Seinfeld - but I mean, fuck that. Can't be an overseas fan latching onto the fucking Yankees.

I know in a way they're like the Great Satan and a triumph of marketing, they really do have an amazing history and culture full of characters and talents. Also the Seinfeld appearances made me think they had a sense of humour about themselves, at least in the 90s.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on January 22, 2021, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on January 22, 2021, 08:07:45 PM
the Wild for NHL,

Pretty certain I've never heard of them but wikipedia says they exist. My boss's wife works for the Hurricanes, going to check if he has heard of them.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on January 22, 2021, 08:15:19 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on January 22, 2021, 08:07:45 PM
yeah it is always a bit arbitrary as a non US/Canadian fan, I find. I picked the Jays as I started watching during 92/93 when they were great

A good choice for gear too as they have easily the best logo.

The Cubs one is classic but a bit plain for my tastes, so I have the alt one with the bear cub on it

(https://www.topperzstore.co.uk/media/image/ee/f0/d0/47brand_clean_up_0000s_0067_B-RGW05GWS-RYA-HR-F.png)

Really looking forward to watching sunny day games of an evening.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on January 22, 2021, 08:20:54 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on January 22, 2021, 08:14:48 PM
Pretty certain I've never heard of them but wikipedia says they exist. My boss's wife works for the Hurricanes, going to check if he has heard of them.

not a great name either (I just call them Minnesota in my head) but they fitted the bill ie. nice logo, reasonably anonymous, not going to burden me too much as a casual fan
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 30, 2021, 01:38:02 PM
Wow!

The Cardinals have traded for Nolan Arenado, giving up some fairly middling prospects and getting $50 million from Colorado to pay off some of his contract. (this is if the package reported yesterday ends up being correct)

He's a fantastic player and I'm now interested in watching the team again. A breakout season from someone like Dylan Carlson and the Cardinals are set.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on January 30, 2021, 02:11:01 PM
Arenado is a terrific player, Cards have done well to pick him up. He was being so overpaid that I think he recognized the only way he was going to get traded was to defer some of his contract but I'm surprised the Rockies were willing to send cash along with him. Great deal for both teams, though I don't know the Cards prospects or farm system at all.

As noted above, Jays picked up Springer and Semien (who's moving over to 2B) which are a really good couple of upgrades. We look very solid for position players now, and good depth all round. Would love to get another impact starter or two and a reliever, and kick the tires on Realmuto just in case, but I think we actually look competitive this year. Actually, is Bryant still being shopped for trades? I'd take him at third and all.

Should be a good season! If covid ever fucking ends I'll go to Toronto for a few games, maybe take the nipper.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 30, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
The Jays are looking really good now - I loved it when they came to St Louis a couple of years ago, hopefully they come again when I've had a vaccine (because I do not trust the sort of fuckers who go to Cardinals games to have any respect for social distancing or wearing a mask).

The prospects the Cardinals gave up aren't much of anything, as far as I can tell. Gomber is a decent pitcher, but that's all, and the Rockies fan site I went on to see how their lot are reacting were pretty upset, at the same time as being resigned to having a very bad FO.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on January 30, 2021, 03:58:09 PM
The Rockies are an impressively badly run organization. At some point, they must have had Blackmon, Tulowitzki, Arenado and Scherzer (?) on the roster and they translated that into the square root of fuck all, with the additional bonus that every one of those players hates the organization and doesn't mind saying publicly (and presumably privately to other players).
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on January 30, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on January 22, 2021, 08:15:19 PM
A good choice for gear too as they have easily the best logo.

The Cubs one is classic but a bit plain for my tastes, so I have the alt one with the bear cub on it

(https://www.topperzstore.co.uk/media/image/ee/f0/d0/47brand_clean_up_0000s_0067_B-RGW05GWS-RYA-HR-F.png)

Really looking forward to watching sunny day games of an evening.

I got a cubs t-shirt in Chicago a couple of years ago (but don't tell Ferris)...I also have a Blue Jays pride t-shirt which is very striking (rainbow coloured).
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on January 30, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on January 30, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
The prospects the Cardinals gave up aren't much of anything, as far as I can tell. Gomber is a decent pitcher, but that's all, and the Rockies fan site I went on to see how their lot are reacting were pretty upset, at the same time as being resigned to having a very bad FO.

I'm looking at the (rumoured) prospect return for Arenado. What are the Rockies doing? And they're paying St Louis $50m?!

They also traded for Kevin Pillar then let his contract expire after half a season (after he put up a career high .801 OPS)? To be honest I've never paid much attention to Colorado but they seem to be run by a magic 8 ball.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on January 30, 2021, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on January 30, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
I got a cubs t-shirt in Chicago a couple of years ago (but don't tell Ferris)

Ok well don't tell anyone but the Cubs are my NL team and I think they have quite a good logo.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 01, 2021, 08:14:49 PM
Pedroia officially retired. I think he had one year left on his deal, I assume the Red Sox will just give him that money to avoid him taking up a roster spot as he's played 9 games in 3 years with no return in sight.

On his day, one of the best contact hitters in the game. Slick second baseman, bit of pop, would have been a lock for the Hall if he could have stayed on the field another couple years. This is the best outcome for all sides I suppose, but he powered my Beat The Streak team for 2 years so I have a soft spot for him.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 05, 2021, 04:09:50 AM
More Cardinals news - they traded Dexter Fowler to the Angels, and are kicking in most of his salary (12.75 out of 14 million), just to get rid of him. He was never fantastic in St Louis, but I liked him on the team and am sad to see him go.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 05, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
I like Fowler as well, I was looking at his batted ball profile the other day and think he is due a bounceback. His peripherals are better than you'd think, though not amazing or anything.

I'd say with some new scenery, a .780 OPS for his 2021 isn't unrealistic. As long as he's still halfway decent in CF at that price, he's a good pickup for San Fran. Though maybe they're thinking bench bat? I don't know what their outfield looks like tbh.

Awful nothing post. Sorry about that.

Anyone want to guess where Bauer is going? I am quietly hopeful he'll sign with the Jays...
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 05, 2021, 04:13:50 PM
Bauer is the most odious player I can recall ever seeing in MLB, and he is also bizarrely overrated as a pitcher. He has just one and one third seasons of being better than a #3 starting pitcher (2018 and 2020). That is going to be one of the worst short-term contracts in the history of the game if he genuinely looking at $30-40 million per season as is being reported.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on February 05, 2021, 04:15:06 PM
Fowler must be a bench bat, no way he's prising Trout from CF.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 05, 2021, 04:17:47 PM
I'll guess Mets, because the offer looks too good to ignore. But it looks like they're expecting a decision in the next few hours.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 05, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on February 05, 2021, 04:15:06 PM
Fowler must be a bench bat, no way he's prising Trout from CF.

Trout plays for LA, not the giants. Last I checked they were still running out Hunter Pence and Kevin Pillar, but ones retired and ones a free agent so I have no idea if Fowler will be every day or not.

Re: Bauer - he's pretty openly using pine tar, which is why he is far more elite in the last 2 seasons. If I was the opposing manager, I'd refer him to the umps after one pitch and get him tossed. Rinse and repeat all season long - Bauer throws about a dozen pitches all season, or reverts to his non-elite 4.50 ERA normal (with the bonus of costing your opponent a huge amount of money).

I'd still like him for the Jays (even though he's a cunt), but the risk of the pine tar rules actually being enforced means he doesn't have as much value as if he was getting those numbers cleanly because he could be rumbled at any minute. See also: Gerrit Cole.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 09, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
Looks like things are falling into place - the Cardinals have signed Yadier Molina to a one-year contract, hopefully the last one of a career that'll get him within sniffing distance of the Hall of Fame; they might be in the market for another pitcher, but that looks to be that.

Ball's being changed to make it have a little less pop, so if something isn't done about pitchers cheating with pine tar, I can see this being a less than thrilling season.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 09, 2021, 11:14:29 PM
Ferris' 2021 baseball thoughts:

- I saw the stuff about the ball - I thought MLB's stance was that nothing has changed, but they're tacitly acknowledging that's bullshit if they're changing it back.

- Bauer signed with the Dodgers, cementing their place as everyone's least favourite NL team.

- Considering Yu Darvish went to the Dads for a song, I'm surprised more teams aren't calling the Cubs to pick their pockets. They still have a few good players on that roster - I'd take Bryant at 3rd every day of the week against the Jays' current options.

- Unless we see some big moves soon, I'm worried this once in a generation core of talent (along with the Red Sox and Yankees and rays going into the basement with the O's) will amount to the Jays being competitive in the division and that's about it. We need more starting pitching; Tanaka, Paxton, anybody please and thanks. I want to win it all when we can actually win, rather than another decade of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Gurke and Hare on February 10, 2021, 01:14:44 AM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 05, 2021, 04:13:50 PM
Bauer is the most odious player I can recall ever seeing in MLB

He's a cunt, no doubt, but Aubrey Huff is twice the cunt. And I'll assume you're jsut too young to have seen Schilling.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 10, 2021, 02:30:10 AM
Quote from: Gurke and Hare on February 10, 2021, 01:14:44 AM
He's a cunt, no doubt, but Aubrey Huff is twice the cunt. And I'll assume you're jsut too young to have seen Schilling.

Schilling wasn't really a weird right-wing asshole until after he left the majors. (Nor was Huff that I recall? I remember he saved my fantasy team one year.) Of course there have always been your John Rockers and the like, but I prefer a normal right-wing asshole (most pro athletes are right-wing assholes) to an obnoxious fratty Twitter troll.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 10, 2021, 02:33:23 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 09, 2021, 11:14:29 PM
Ferris' 2021 baseball thoughts:

- I saw the stuff about the ball - I thought MLB's stance was that nothing has changed, but they're tacitly acknowledging that's bullshit if they're changing it back.

- Bauer signed with the Dodgers, cementing their place as everyone's least favourite NL team.

- Considering Yu Darvish went to the Dads for a song, I'm surprised more teams aren't calling the Cubs to pick their pockets. They still have a few good players on that roster - I'd take Bryant at 3rd every day of the week against the Jays' current options.

- Unless we see some big moves soon, I'm worried this once in a generation core of talent (along with the Red Sox and Yankees and rays going into the basement with the O's) will amount to the Jays being competitive in the division and that's about it. We need more starting pitching; Tanaka, Paxton, anybody please and thanks. I want to win it all when we can actually win, rather than another decade of mediocrity.

Tanaka went back to Japan and signed with the Rakuten Golden Eagles. Reportedly turned down an offer from the Blue Jays after being "frightened" by the film Strange Brew.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 10, 2021, 02:49:56 AM
The utter bastard.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 23, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
President of the Mariners saying the quiet part loud

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zBg8_44uDZ0

The labour negotiations are this year, so that'll be fun. Owners cheerfully admitting to manipulating service time, colluding with the rest of the league to underpay players as much as possible, and fuck over Joe public on the parking? Good luck.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 24, 2021, 04:36:33 PM
I'm absolutely delighted he said this - now the owners are going to have to give up more in the CBA, and it might prevent a strike or lockout.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 25, 2021, 02:33:38 AM
I was about to post the Jomboy Media clip, but FWB already did it. It's pretty wild.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 25, 2021, 02:53:12 AM
Yeah I like Jomboy - he gets why baseball is fun, and that is laughably rare within the business of MLB (which seems to largely revolve around money and acquiring more of it as quickly as possible).

He has a lot of clout these days so he's free to do his own thing without being beholden to anyone - the fact that's he's been able to waltz in and fill the media gap that MLB has neglected (podcasts, highlight videos, a funny Twitter/reddit presence etc) says a lot about the people at the top.

Crucially, his stuff is approachable and appeals to people who aren't already die hard baseball fans. With the sport struggling to attract a new generation of fans, its the kind of content that the clowns running MLB should be promoting (instead of threatening him with DMCAs).

End of rant.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on February 25, 2021, 06:46:21 AM
Foolish Baseball is a good youtube channel that has some access and clout. His is more analysis but done with a specific aesthetic of late 80s/early 90s gaming.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on February 25, 2021, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on February 25, 2021, 06:46:21 AM
Foolish Baseball is a good youtube channel that has some access and clout. His is more analysis but done with a specific aesthetic of late 80s/early 90s gaming.

Yeah another good shout.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 01, 2021, 07:20:38 PM
Spring training games are back, baby!

All the games usually available daily in great quality (never have any issues like with football streams) here

https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBStreams/
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 02, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on March 01, 2021, 07:20:38 PM
Spring training games are back, baby!

All the games usually available daily in great quality (never have any issues like with football streams) here

https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBStreams/
Agreed, it's kept me from having to pay for an MLB.tv (or cable) subscription for the last few years.

Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 02, 2021, 03:20:14 PM
Yeah I use it all the time. Used to pay $120 (~70 quid?) a year for MLB.tv but they're enforcing the blackout in Canada now, so it's entirely useless if you wanna see the good guys play. I'm trying to give these cunts money, but they're not interested.

To my earlier post...

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 25, 2021, 02:53:12 AM
With the sport struggling to attract a new generation of fans, its the kind of content that the clowns running MLB should be promoting (instead of threatening him with DMCAs).

Everyone my generation and younger streams, and nobody has cable anymore, but you aren't going to let me give you money for a subscription service to stream legally? This kind of backwards thinking is what is harming the future of the sport.

Sorry for the rants. I love baseball, and this kind of dinosaur mentality is very frustrating.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 04, 2021, 09:24:20 PM
The sad thing is, I don't think the people in charge care that much about the future of the sport.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 09, 2021, 04:39:42 PM
Looks like the O's have a knuckleballer at spring training! This is an incredible shot, worth your time.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Orioles/status/1369290959301865479?s=19
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 09, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
Beautiful, never seen a shot of a knuckleball like that before, barely any rotation.

Generally liking these cinematic cameras they're using in sports these days every so often.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 09, 2021, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on March 09, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
Beautiful, never seen a shot of a knuckleball like that before, barely any rotation.

Generally liking these cinematic cameras they're using in sports these days every so often.

Yeah and me. Could watch someone throw knuckleballs for hours (and when RA Dickey was in Toronto, did).
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Bernice on March 09, 2021, 08:02:32 PM
That's a great little video. Who's the pitcher?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 09, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
Quote from: Bernice on March 09, 2021, 08:02:32 PM
That's a great little video. Who's the pitcher?

Not a scooby. He's in the Orioles ST camp and there were no knuckleballers in the majors (in fact none since RA Dickey?) so assume it's a minor league prospect I've never heard of.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 09, 2021, 09:53:49 PM
Mickey Jannis (never heard of him) apparently

https://www.mlb.com/news/mickey-jannis-amazing-knuckleball-video
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 23, 2021, 02:26:57 PM
Anyone else starting to get HYPE for this season? This is the first time the Jays have been good since the second half of 2015 - a wildcard should be the minimum this year, and winning the AL East is the target.

The Yankees are Vegas favourites for the division but I think it is close. I don't rate their position players any higher than the Jays (actually I think they are worse pretty much across the board), and while Cole is undeniably excellent the rest of their staff is solid but not overwhelming (particularly their gamble on a mid-30s Kluber - I don't know how his extreme precision stuff will play at Yankee Stadium). They are also relying on a lot of older players continuing to perform (Gardner, LaMahieu) and guys with extensive history of injuries (Judge, Stanton).

The O's and Red Sox are listless enterprises at the moment so we'll say no more there, and the Rays are doing a weird tear-down/rebuild (?) after getting to the World Series so who knows what they're up to. They won't be challenging for anything anyway[nb]doubtless I will be wrong about that...[/nb].

The Jays need pitching and have a deep farm (particularly for catchers and SPs which are premium trade chips, and a shitload of quality sort-of-MLB ready infielders) - I'm hoping they'll trade at the break and bring in one or two rotation arms. Ryu is an All Star if he stays healthy (and that's a big if), but Stripling, Matz and Ray are all question marks and that's assuming rookie Nate Pearson is able to perform at Major League level (and hes currently injured anyway). Roark shouldn't be pitching on a team that is trying to win - with his salary I don't even know if he's a trade piece tbh. There's a lot of depth in AAA (Woods-Richardson, Hatch, Kay, Thornton, Zeuch...) to cover any injuries or whatever but you (probably) can't rely on them for long stretches.

This is the start of the Blue Jays' competitive window. The kids are up, they're cheap and they're performing so there is money to spend to upgrade other pieces. I really hope the front office go for it. The position players are all in and signed for a few years at least - with 1 or two veteran starters and a reliever or two, they could be very good for a long time.

Gonna be a good year (until it isn't and I am inevitably disappointed).
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Bernice on March 23, 2021, 02:32:19 PM
I've nearly finished watching all of Ken Burns' Baseball in preparation for this season, and have decided that, contrary to anything you think I may have posted earlier in this thread, I am (and always have been) a Mets fan. Been reading a shit ton of Athletic coverage of spring training and pre-season expectations and generally trying to burn reams of terminology and arcane numerology into my thick skull. Never really had such a gulf between my actual understanding of a sport and my enjoyment of/excitement about it. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 23, 2021, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: Bernice on March 23, 2021, 02:32:19 PM
I've nearly finished watching all of Ken Burns' Baseball in preparation for this season, and have decided that, contrary to anything you think I may have posted earlier in this thread, I am (and always have been) a Mets fan. Been reading a shit ton of Athletic coverage of spring training and pre-season expectations and generally trying to burn reams of terminology and arcane numerology into my thick skull. Never really had such a gulf between my actual understanding of a sport and my enjoyment of/excitement about it. Can't wait.

With Lindor, the Mets are probably in the Wild Card race for sure. The NL East is tough this year - I think the Braves are my FerrisPickTM to win the division, but the Phillies and Mets are not far behind.

Looking at their depth chart, they have a similar set up to the Jays. A very good roster of position players, and several I think will have excellent seasons (Lindor, McNeil, Alonso, Nimmo) and the #1 DeGrom is a certified ace, but I have question marks over the rest of the starting pitching.

Stroman in particular I think will regress, he's a ground ball guy and his GB% was way down (and his LD% was worryingly up) for the Mets in 2019 before opting out of 2020. Lindor will help there, but there's only so much he can do. Shorter pitchers don't tend to age as well, even sinker/slider types like Stro. Walker was excellent for the Jays last season but looking at his advanced stats (particularly his FIP and oppBABIP), I don't know how much of that was just a serviceable starter having an incredible short season.

If you come across any terminology that is particularly arcane or doesn't make much sense, post it in here and I'll be happy to give an explainer if helpful? With the caveat that I'm not a baseball oracle or anything but have spent a fair bit of time diving into some of the weirder sabermetrics out there so might be able to give a decent explanation or comparison.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 23, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
Likely to be a similar story to last year (Dodgers, Yankees) but I'm looking forward to a full season with fans.

Cubs back to being mediocre, like I always knew and loved them.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 23, 2021, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on March 23, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
Likely to be a similar story to last year (Dodgers, Yankees) but I'm looking forward to a full season with fans.

Cubs back to being mediocre, like I always knew and loved them.

Yeah I saw Darvish was traded for a song. Rizzo and Bryant are still there (I think?), but I heard a lot of chatter around Bryant for teams looking at upgrading their 3B so he might be gone at the trade deadline? Depends how borderline teams are doing I suppose.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 23, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
Bryant has been quite inconsistent, batted .206 last season, a lot of calls for him to be traded so maybe. Rizzo underperformed a bit too but definitely someone we need to keep. Schwarber gone so that's going to be a big miss in the power department.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 24, 2021, 12:03:16 AM
I know fuck all about a lot of NL players, but looking at Kyle Schwarber (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schwaky01.shtml) he's the definition of replacement player no? 5.3 WAR over 5 seasons (excluding 2020).

Seems like he has good pop, but for a corner outfielder (is that where he is mostly? BBref has him as a catcher also which would be very valuable) it's not all that. Being traded to this incarnation of the Nats kind of reinforces that for me, but I really don't know the league or the team at all so would not be surprised if I'm totally wrong!

Again, I always had Bryant down as an elite bat/glove, but may well be out of date there and all.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 24, 2021, 10:45:03 AM
Actually yeah, looking at Schwarber's stats he's really never been a great hitter, aside from getting a nice number of home runs each season. I recall he slotted nicely into the Cubs lineup and delivered when he needed to but maybe I overrated him.

Kris Bryant could definitely be one of the best in the league again, I mean he won the Rookie of the Year (2015), NL MVP (2016) and was integral to the Cubs winning the World Series, but definitely one whose initial promise has waned in the years following, partly due to shoulder injury. It's got to be hard to live up to what were basically perfect first two years in the majors though.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 24, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on March 24, 2021, 10:45:03 AM
Actually yeah, looking at Schwarber's stats he's really never been a great hitter, aside from getting a nice number of home runs each season. I recall he slotted nicely into the Cubs lineup and delivered when he needed to but maybe I overrated him.

Kris Bryant could definitely be one of the best in the league again, I mean he won the Rookie of the Year (2015), NL MVP (2016) and was integral to the Cubs winning the World Series, but definitely one whose initial promise has waned in the years following, partly due to shoulder injury. It's got to be hard to live up to what were basically perfect first two years in the majors though.

Yeah I definitely remember Schwarber being heavily mentioned in the coverage of the WS win along with Bryant and Rizzo and was a bit surprised his stats were so unflashy, maybe he was just a really nice guy or something.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 24, 2021, 03:39:55 PM
Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 05, 2021, 04:13:50 PM
...that is going to be one of the worst short-term contracts in the history of the game if he genuinely looking at $30-40 million per season as is being reported.

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 05, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
Re: Bauer - he's pretty openly using pine tar, which is why he is far more elite in the last 2 seasons... the risk of the pine tar rules actually being enforced means he doesn't have as much value as if he was getting those numbers cleanly because he could be rumbled at any minute. See also: Gerrit Cole.

Ruh roh (https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1374715004629442562?s=19)

This is why you should always rely on CaB for your hot baseball takes.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 24, 2021, 04:34:16 PM
And there's still the people saying "but more batters will get hit now!" in the comments. If you believe there's been more sticky substance usage in the last few years, you'd also assume hit batters had gone down, but that's not the case. I presume the talking heads on the MLB Network will neglect to mention this too.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on March 24, 2021, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on March 23, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
Bryant has been quite inconsistent, batted .206 last season, a lot of calls for him to be traded so maybe. Rizzo underperformed a bit too but definitely someone we need to keep. Schwarber gone so that's going to be a big miss in the power department.

only over 34 games though. his career OPS is super.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 24, 2021, 06:01:10 PM
True, and I'd like to keep him. But with his contract ending after this season it will also depend on how well the Cubs do whether or not he stays. The White Sox are apparently interested.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on March 24, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on March 24, 2021, 06:01:10 PM
True, and I'd like to keep him. But with his contract ending after this season it will also depend on how well the Cubs do whether or not he stays. The White Sox are apparently interested.

I hadn't thought about it before, but I bet staying in the same city/region is a big draw because you don't have to uproot your family.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on March 24, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
Yeah that would sweeten the deal. I guess also the difference with the US vs say English football is that you could go somewhere completely different culturally and climate wise. I'd be more enthusiastic about being traded to, say, the SF Giants than the Kansas City Royals based on those factors.

Chicago's a great city but April can be cold enough to snow, not the weather you want to kick the season off with.

(https://express-images.franklymedia.com/6616/sites/238/2018/04/09143858/2018_04_09_14_37_23_Greenshot.jpg)
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 05, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
So the Jays won 2 of 3 against the Yankees, Merryweather looks a ridiculously good pickup (worried about that TJ surgery though...), and maybe it'll all be ok.

I'll mention Beat The Streak here, a free to play app (that isn't full of fucking adverts or whatever) which is ostensibly run by MLB but it seems to me they keep it quiet because... well...

So you pick a hitter each day to get a hit. You can double down and pick 2 a day if you like, and the UI lets you customize your selection so you can pick out hot hitters in games against pitchers they have historically hit well against.

Pick 56 in a row (one more than DiMaggio's hit streak, hence the app name) and you win $5.6m USD. It'll never happen obviously, but it's free to play, your hits roll over (so if you miss a day or a month you keep your streak), and you have a good chance of just winning stuff for no reason (I got a load of discount codes last few seasons off MLB merch which is already overpriced but whatever). Worth a look if you're interested.

Jays the first team to break in the new Globe Life Park in Texas. Would be delighted if they walloped the Rangers.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 06, 2021, 12:02:41 PM
Ooh, I'll have a go at that. It's also reminded me that I forgot to set up a fantasy baseball team this year.

I watched some of the Blue Jays v Rangers game last night, looks like a solid team. Cubs 3-1 so things looking OK at the moment.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 01:28:53 PM
Who did the Cubs pick up over the break? I suppose Rizzo/Baez/Bryant are still there and with no one else that's the core of a very good team regardless.

My streak up to 4 now, beat that!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 06, 2021, 02:09:03 PM
Not much of note. Jake Arietta's back with the Cubs, signed a one-year deal. But he's been nowhere near the Cy Young winner of 2015 in the past few years.

Otherwise seems like we're hoping for the aforementioned three to have a good year, and some prospects in the long run.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 03:20:26 PM
Cards are making a bit of a play for the NL Central right? I saw they robbed the Rockies blind for Arenado, and the Pirates are there for everyone to pad their stats so that's nice of them. Who else is in there, Reds? They're a strange one - Votto is a generational talent and they picked up Castellanos but don't seem inclined to do anything else. Brewers also seem to have stalled after Yelich's mad season a year or two ago.

I don't know enough about the NL central to comment much further really, but sounds like you might have enough to win a pennant?

Hot BTS News - I have Escobar and Abreu down for bits today. Will try and get the streak to 6. I think my personal best is like 14 or 15 so let's see!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 06, 2021, 03:36:08 PM
NL Central is pretty competitive, could realistically be won by anyone (aside from the Pirates, who are probably the worst team in baseball). Brewers are slight favourites though.

OK I've set up my Beat the Streak for the next few days. Is it better to pick 2 or 1 per day? I've got one of your fellas, Bo Bichette, down for today.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 04:29:54 PM
I usually go aggressive and double down every day unless there aren't any good candidates. I also do the custom filter thing and look for batters who have faced the pitcher before and done well and try for a sample size of at bats greater than 10 (going 1 for 1 for a batter against a pitcher is great, but I'd rather take a batter who has gone 12 for 16 or whatever) and batters at the top of the order so they're more likely to get 5 at bats - if there's nobody that fits those criteria or only one, I'll pick the one or skip the day.

Looking at Bichette, he's a great hitter no question (and he doesn't take a lot of walks - that's good because they don't count as hits) but it looks like he hasn't faced that pitcher before (and I don't recognize his name) so he might be a new guy? I stay away from them - newer pitchers typically do well their first few starts because batters don't know them so their release point and arm angles are mysteries that have to be figured out on the fly, and typically team scouting reports are patchy on them until at least a few MLB starts for pitch types and velo.

That could be complete nonsense, so take my input with the requisite pinch of salt. If anyone will knock him around (and this crop of Jays are sluggers no question) it'd be Bo. He has a great eye and his contact/spray chart is ridiculous so he's a pretty good choice any day of the week.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 06, 2021, 04:57:02 PM
Cool, sounds fun, although I don't think I could handle the stress of getting to 55 in a row and then my batter not getting a hit.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 05:54:08 PM
Don't worry, no one ever gets close. One person got to 40 a few years back and everyone lost their minds.

If a batter got a hit 70% of the time and you needed 56 in a row, your chances are ~0.0000002% of winning (or about 1 in 500 million). If they "only" hit .300 then your chances are astronomically small. Although that isn't right is it, because they don't need 56 hits in a row, just a hit in 56 games in a row. If you assume a league average hitter batting .250 and getting at least one hit in (say) each "set" of 4 at bats (representing a game)...

That said, I guess every gameday has at least a few dozen players getting a hit, so probably a better check on win probability is to define the number of possible batters that could be selected by a player each day (1 from any of the 9 players for each of the 30 teams plus pinch hitters = 1/~300 if just selecting randomly), the likelihood of each one being picked, and the probability of the more popular batters recording a hit...

I can't think about this too much because I have work to do, but it would be an interesting exercise to figure out the odds of winning. Fuck all, is the take home message.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 06, 2021, 07:00:13 PM
I'm on 55, putting it all on Biggio tomorrow!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 08:11:23 PM
Money in the bank toilet.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 06, 2021, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on April 06, 2021, 08:11:23 PM
Money in the bank toilet.

He just needs one hit.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on April 06, 2021, 08:58:47 PM
He just needs one hit.

Like a demented punter at the bookies, surrounded by broken tiny pencils and crumpled betting slips.

"Just need one more... to come in big..."
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 09:07:54 PM
(I'm kidding obviously)

Have you been watching the Jays? They're actually exciting and fun to watch this year.

Does MLB.tv work in the UK? I bet you could stream for free maybe?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 06, 2021, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on April 06, 2021, 09:07:54 PM
(I'm kidding obviously)

Have you been watching the Jays? They're actually exciting and fun to watch this year.

Does MLB.tv work in the UK? I bet you could stream for free maybe?

Looks like it might work - for 109 dollars!

Anyway, I'm doing a rewatch of The Shield so that occupies my time - maybe will catch a weekend game for old times sake. ps. they were exciting the two games we saw, I thought - great entertainment.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 06, 2021, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on April 06, 2021, 09:59:23 PM
Looks like it might work - for 109 dollars!

Anyway, I'm doing a rewatch of The Shield so that occupies my time - maybe will catch a weekend game for old times sake. ps. they were exciting the two games we saw, I thought - great entertainment.

Yeah and that was when they were a bag of shit - imagine how much fun it is when they're decent!

I was suckered into baseball in 2015 when the Jays were a terrific team and I'm still jonesing for my excellent baseball fix 6 years later. When baseball is good, it's really good.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 07, 2021, 08:08:31 AM
Fuck it - lost out on the 56! Knew I should have gone with Bichette!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 07, 2021, 11:06:50 AM
Just saw Bo hit two dingers last night!

You love to see it.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 07, 2021, 11:11:27 AM
I got 2, yay! Bichette and Betts. Hey this is easy, 56 here i come!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 07, 2021, 11:40:48 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on April 07, 2021, 11:11:27 AM
I got 2, yay! Bichette and Betts. Hey this is easy, 56 here i come!

It's super easy, looks like we'll both be millionaires by June. Both my guys got a hit, streak extended to 6.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on April 07, 2021, 12:00:31 PM
I'm super excited about this 56 thing. Will give it a go this winter when there are fewer distractions.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 08, 2021, 05:16:31 AM
It's tough to say with the Cardinals. Their pitching could fall apart quite easily, but their position players are looking solid-to-decent. I'm looking forward to the season, though.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 08, 2021, 08:12:16 AM
Season falling apart already :(
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on April 09, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
Well, I'm up to six on Beat the Meat, but I've just noticed that the prize money is only available to US/Canada residents, and I gave up my US residency 2 years ago :-(
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 09, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on April 09, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
Well, I'm up to six on Beat the Meat, but I've just noticed that the prize money is only available to US/Canada residents, and I gave up my US residency 2 years ago :-(

Oh no, looks like you'll have to give your millions to me.

(Aside: it's all coming together!)
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Bernice on April 09, 2021, 06:06:42 PM
Watched a repeat of yesterday's Mets Marlins game while I was working today, and very much enjoyed the ninth inning where the Mets came from 2-1 down to take the game with a very controversial Walk-off win, thanks to Michael Conforto quite deliberately putting his elbow in front of a perfectly good pitch (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10001019-video-michael-conforto-hbp-gives-mets-controversial-walk-off-win-vs-marlins). It's a mark of how much I'm enjoying having a new sport to follow that the sort of hand-wringing over officiating that I find utterly tedious in footy has been a glory to behold. It seems that a challenge can only say whether or not the ball actually hit the batter, which it did. Arbitrary nonsense. Glorious.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 09, 2021, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: Bernice on April 09, 2021, 06:06:42 PM
Watched a repeat of yesterday's Mets Marlins game while I was working today, and very much enjoyed the ninth inning where the Mets came from 2-1 down to take the game with a very controversial Walk-off win, thanks to Michael Conforto quite deliberately putting his elbow in front of a perfectly good pitch (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10001019-video-michael-conforto-hbp-gives-mets-controversial-walk-off-win-vs-marlins). It's a mark of how much I'm enjoying having a new sport to follow that the sort of hand-wringing over officiating that I find utterly tedious in footy has been a glory to behold. It seems that a challenge can only say whether or not the ball actually hit the batter, which it did. Arbitrary nonsense. Glorious.

I didn't know that a pitch that hits a batter is a called strike if it is in the zone, though that seems obvious in hindsight.

Proper shithousing getting that called a HBP, but Kulpa is a fucking terrible umpire, up there (down there?) with Joe west and Angel Hernandez for me.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 09, 2021, 07:20:45 PM
My workplace has a Div 3 baseball team, and they're apparently doing rather well at the moment. I found out that they actually stream games with commentary, but rather delightfully the broadcast is a slightly muffled commentary over a standard-definition webcam placed behind the plate. There's a game happening right now, and there was just what seemed to be a pretty exciting play at 2nd completely obscured by the catcher and ump.

Re: MLB, though, it looks like they're already investigating Bauer for using foreign substances. Good.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on April 09, 2021, 07:24:13 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on April 09, 2021, 07:20:45 PM
My workplace has a Div 3 baseball team, and they're apparently doing rather well at the moment. I found out that they actually stream games with commentary, but rather delightfully the broadcast is a slightly muffled commentary over a standard-definition webcam placed behind the plate. There's a game happening right now, and there was just what seemed to be a pretty exciting play at 2nd completely obscured by the catcher and ump.

Re: MLB, though, it looks like they're already investigating Bauer for using foreign substances. Good.

He's always to bamlem.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 29, 2021, 03:07:52 PM
Jomboy once again brings the fun analysis of the latest event featuring the Cardinals, where a reliever hit Bryce Harper in the face with his first pitch, hits Gregorius in the ribs with his second, then gives up the go-ahead hit with his third before being pulled from the game.

Lot of people blaming the three-pitcher minimum but the umps should do their damn job and eject the guy. I don't think there's any particular reason the Phillies and Cardinals hate each other, but if a guy has so little control, get him the hell out of there.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on April 29, 2021, 05:17:10 PM
2 HBPs on two pitches in a row should be an auto ejection. It might not be intentional, but it is dangerous.

In other NL news:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=paaFLpJg79o
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 30, 2021, 02:45:54 PM
I love that Rizzo keeps shaking off the catcher too. 71mph heater!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: dr beat on May 01, 2021, 05:38:19 PM
I was watching an episode of Frasier the other night where he gets roped into playing softball. Theres a scene where him and Martin go to one of those places where people practice their batting with coin-op machines doing the pitching. I've seen these in other films and TV and an slightly fascinated by them. Are they common in North America? They look quite good fun.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 01, 2021, 05:56:54 PM
Quote from: dr beat on May 01, 2021, 05:38:19 PM
I was watching an episode of Frasier the other night where he gets roped into playing softball. Theres a scene where him and Martin go to one of those places where people practice their batting with coin-op machines doing the pitching. I've seen these in other films and TV and an slightly fascinated by them. Are they common in North America? They look quite good fun.

They look tremendous fun, but for some reason aren't very common in Canada. Toronto (pop ~6m, home of Canada's only Major League Baseball team) had 2, I think there's only one in Nova Scotia total.

Might be more common in the states (depending on region)? I bet California and Nevada are rife with them for example because baseball is a bigger sport out there.

It's one of those things I secretly reckon I'd be amazing at ("Hal get over here, we gotta sign this kid man!) and until I go to one I'll never have that dream dispelled.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on May 01, 2021, 07:58:57 PM
Lots of batting cages here. Google shows more than 10 within 20 miles of my house. There will prob be a few more than that since places that have go karts or mini golf often have one or two cages as an afterthought.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 01, 2021, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on May 01, 2021, 07:58:57 PM
Lots of batting cages here. Google shows more than 10 within 20 miles of my house. There will prob be a few more than that since places that have go karts or mini golf often have one or two cages as an afterthought.

Jammy bastard. I'd be at them every Friday night after too many ales at the crazy golf.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 03, 2021, 03:58:50 AM
There's loads of them round here too.

Brilliant stretch for the Cardinals. Outfielders have started to hit, pitchers are looking like world-beaters.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Pranet on May 06, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
This is probably old or uninteresting news to you aficionados, but I've just noticed youtube is showing a game a week.

Quite good for me who has vague memories of watching it on Channel 5 in the 90s but can't be arsed finding hooky streams really.

Braves v Nationals right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6n8NAJQKao
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 06, 2021, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: Pranet on May 06, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
This is probably old or uninteresting news to you aficionados, but I've just noticed youtube is showing a game a week.

Quite good for me who has vague memories of watching it on Channel 5 in the 90s but can't be arsed finding hooky streams really.

Braves v Nationals right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6n8NAJQKao

Jon Lester is still pitching?!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 06, 2021, 09:44:45 PM
Seems like he's been around for ever but he's only 37. Jamie Moyer was 49 and still pitching in the modern era!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 07, 2021, 06:19:57 PM
Albert Pujols, former Cardinal and future inner-circle Hall of Famer, has been DFA'ed by the Angels in the last year of his contract - as soon as he passes waivers, he'll be released. He's probably a few years older than his listed 41 and isn't really able to run any more, but from 2001-2011 he was better than anyone (well, maybe not Bonds, but it was close). 3000 hits, 600 home runs, etc.

A lot of Cardinals are hoping to tempt him back for a farewell tour, but I think the idea of having their greatest player in 60 years back is nicer than the reality of a guy who, were it not for his contract, would have been out of baseball a couple of years ago. Perhaps they'll give him a one-day contract on the final day of the season, have him stand on 1st for an inning (or have a friendly opposing pitcher groove him one down the middle), have a huge standing ovation, and that be it.

Or perhaps his old manager Tony La Russa will hire him for the White Sox, who are short a first baseman due to injuries. Who knows?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 08, 2021, 12:52:00 AM
The two halves of Pujols's career and his contract with the Angels are hilarious.

St. Louis, 2001-2011: 1705 G, 7433 PA, .430 wOBA, +81.3 fWAR!
Los Angeles, 2012-2021: 1181 G, 5053 PA, .322 wOBA, +5.7 fWAR, $240,000,000

Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 08, 2021, 01:38:43 AM
The rumour is he's about 4 years older than he claimed in order to get a major league contract (and everyone sort of knows it, which is why a lot of teams passed on him even though he was raking).

The angels must have know they were paying for a guy past his prime even as he was signing that contract.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 08, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
I only saw Pujols live once, in a loss to the Braves in 2009, but the sheer force of the noise from the crowd every time he came to the plate was incredible.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 08, 2021, 04:27:17 PM
I saw him and Trout when the angels were in Toronto probably... 4/5 years ago? I remember explaining why Mike trout was a big deal to a friend from the UK, and nothing about Pujols at all. Pathetic anecdote.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: dr beat on May 09, 2021, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: Pranet on May 06, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
This is probably old or uninteresting news to you aficionados, but I've just noticed youtube is showing a game a week.

Quite good for me who has vague memories of watching it on Channel 5 in the 90s but can't be arsed finding hooky streams really.

Braves v Nationals right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6n8NAJQKao

Thanks for flagging this up. Is there anywhere which has details for which games will feature and when? I've tried googling but all I get is the schedule for games which have already happened.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 09, 2021, 07:01:58 PM
Quote from: dr beat on May 09, 2021, 06:39:24 PM
Thanks for flagging this up. Is there anywhere which has details for which games will feature and when? I've tried googling but all I get is the schedule for games which have already happened.

I think it's these ones?

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL-lmlkrmJanAeIIfwSpaB-HpDYmW6-rF
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 09, 2021, 07:41:33 PM
Loving the mother's day attire today. Not loving the Cubs getting spanked by the Pirates

(https://i.ibb.co/rt0MDdH/mlb.jpg)
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: dr beat on May 09, 2021, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on May 09, 2021, 07:01:58 PM
I think it's these ones?

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL-lmlkrmJanAeIIfwSpaB-HpDYmW6-rF

Thanks! By my reckoning they all look like they are starting at reasonable times in the evening UK time.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 08:09:02 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 09, 2021, 07:41:33 PM
Loving the mother's day attire today. Not loving the Cubs getting spanked by the Pirates

(https://i.ibb.co/rt0MDdH/mlb.jpg)

gender normative bullshit
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 08:12:19 AM
I saw Blue Jays are limping along - 7-4 loss to Astros

In the score sheet it has entries of - and x. I assume x is a base loaded 4 runs, but what is - ?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 10, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 08:12:19 AM
I saw Blue Jays are limping along - 7-4 loss to Astros

In the score sheet it has entries of - and x. I assume x is a base loaded 4 runs, but what is - ?

Base empty usually, so that's runners on 2nd and 3rd.

    X
  /   \
X      -
  \   /

I might have misunderstood what you meant though, if you can send me a look I'll try and decipher it.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 10, 2021, 12:29:10 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 08:09:02 AM
gender normative bullshit

The proceeds all go to breast cancer so I can't say it's a bad thing
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Post by: Dex Sawash on May 10, 2021, 05:19:55 PM

Listened to the baseball on the car radio this weekend. Was only a 20 minute trip, 2 strike outs and a pitcher change.
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Post by: Ferris on May 10, 2021, 05:21:58 PM
Probably the Rays? They had leaked research a few years about making pitchers wait as long as possible in between pitches. Something like every 4 second delay lead to an increase of .3 mph on their fastball.

Could just be a bad offensive team though.
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Post by: Dex Sawash on May 10, 2021, 05:30:02 PM

Durham Bulls, don't know any names and I didn't even absorb which team was batting. Really great radio, play by play man drops an ad for a plumbing company in at a break in the action.
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Post by: Ferris on May 10, 2021, 06:05:29 PM
Yeah I find it massively relaxing just to have on in the background. Impressed you get minor league games on the radio!

I'm so excited to get to a game in Toronto but probably won't be until this time 2022 which is a bit depressing. Maybe I'll bring the nipper!
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Post by: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 06:14:20 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on May 10, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
Base empty usually, so that's runners on 2nd and 3rd.

    X
  /   \
X      -
  \   /

I might have misunderstood what you meant though, if you can send me a look I'll try and decipher it.

It's alright, they've changed it, - became 4, so the x is just no inning batted (in the 9th when the Astros had already won)...not sure why the - was there

(Baseball scorecards on google)
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 10, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Ohhh, right yeah. If the home team is already winning after top of the 9th then they don't bother playing the bottom half and it's just ruled with a dash. I think it's a rule inherited from cricket?
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Post by: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
Yes, I knew that before, but this morning there was a missing 4 and the errant -, so I thought this may have been where the 4 should be (not noticing the 9th innings). Odd
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 10, 2021, 06:28:54 PM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 10, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
Yes, I knew that before, but this morning there was a missing 4 and the errant -, so I thought this may have been where the 4 should be (not noticing the 9th innings). Odd

Ah, got it.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 14, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Padres fan knocks a Rockies fan out with one punch, gets mobbed by other Rockies fans (https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1392920375118516225?s=20)

I hope knocking that guy out was worth the severe beating he no doubt received, and possibly a nice arrest too.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 14, 2021, 09:01:50 PM
Damn. Although I like that at baseball such incidents are incredibly rare despite no fan segregation, alcohol freely served, and people trash talking each others teams throughout games.
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Post by: Ferris on May 14, 2021, 10:19:46 PM
Yeah that's horrible.

One of the things I've always liked about baseball (doubly so at games) is the collegiate atmosphere. I've had nice chats with people from all over the US and recommended bars and things to see in Toronto, and they have likewise been pleasant to me. Unthinkable in football.
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 20, 2021, 05:31:22 AM
Another stupid unwritten rules kerfuffle in baseball, but this time grumpy old man Tony La Russa is directly involved, rather than just shooting his mouth off to the press. His White Sox are beating the Twins in a blowout, so the Twins send backup catcher Willians Astudillo out there to pitch. Yermin Mercedes, feel good story of the Sox season, hits a homer on a 3-0 pitch.

La Russa criticises his own player, apologising to the Twins, showing, as Jomboy says in this excellent breakdown video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjz2UKPdFCU), that these tough old-school guys are actually a huge bunch of babies. I'm glad that opinion seems to be swinging against this nonsense, and hopefully the media response to this will get baseball to have a word with its old men, telling them to shut their mouths for the good of the game.
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Post by: BlodwynPig on May 20, 2021, 07:04:45 AM
What was the problem? No understand american sporrs
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Post by: Bernice on May 20, 2021, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 20, 2021, 07:04:45 AM
What was the problem? No understand american sporrs


I'm a  neophyte baseball fan, but:

The Twins had no hope of winning the game, so to save their pitchers' arms they sent a backup position player out to gently lob the ball vaguely in the direction of the plate for the last inning.

I gather etiquette here is for the batting team to... Not swing? Bunt it? Catch it and say 'aw shucks, nice pitch'? Either way, not to twat it out of the park. Old man gets angry at breach of unwritten rule, and has a go at his own player.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 20, 2021, 10:05:35 AM
Yeah the Twins made a tactical decision to save one of their pitchers arms, and quite rightly shouldn't be spared. I'm all for sportsmanship but you don't take your foot off the pedal against an opponent.

Reminds me of this thing from 1993 that was newsworthy enough to be on Transworld Sports one Sunday morning

QuoteCanseco asked his manager, Kevin Kennedy, to let him pitch the eighth inning of a runaway loss to the Boston Red Sox, and becoming the first ever positional player to pitch for the Rangers; he injured his arm, underwent Tommy John surgery, and was lost for the remainder of the season.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 20, 2021, 10:27:30 AM
Speaking of pitchers, Shohei Ohtani currently leads the majors in home runs as well as:

• Batting second while being the starting pitcher (hadn't been done in the AL or NL since 1903)
• Leading off the day after being the starting pitcher (hadn't been done since 1916)
• Becoming the third player ever to play the field in the same game as striking out 10 batters
• Becoming one of just two players on record to throw a ball 100-plus mph and hit one 100-plus mph in the same game).

Absolutely incredible.
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Post by: Ferris on May 20, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Bernice on May 20, 2021, 09:13:41 AM
I'm a  neophyte baseball fan, but:

The Twins had no hope of winning the game, so to save their pitchers' arms they sent a backup position player out to gently lob the ball vaguely in the direction of the plate for the last inning.

I gather etiquette here is for the batting team to... Not swing? Bunt it? Catch it and say 'aw shucks, nice pitch'? Either way, not to twat it out of the park. Old man gets angry at breach of unwritten rule, and has a go at his own player.

A 3-0 pitch means the pitcher has no control basically - they haven't been able to throw a single strike in the at bat. Every pitcher at 3-0 will at least try and throw a strike to avoid walking the batter - to do that (and as they're already as far behind in the count as they can get which means they don't have their precision dialled in), they will take some speed off a fastball and throw it middle-middle. If you're a batter up 3-0, that means in all likelihood you will get a slower fastball right down the middle of the plate (a hitter's dream, and in the Majors that's a pretty much guaranteed hit especially if you essentially know it's coming) and if the pitcher misses you still get a walk. Under the stupid "unwritten rules", if you swing 3-0, you're showing up the pitcher[nb]that the pitcher has already shown up himself is, for some unexplained reason, besides the point[/nb]. The thinking goes - the other team sucks, you don't need to run up the score[nb]excelt yes you do because it's sports you lunatic[/nb]. You're supposed to take the 4th pitch and walk, or take the strike and go back to normal next pitch. It's incredibly dumb.

There's so much wrong with that thinking it's hard to know where to begin. There are specifics to this latest case that make it even more mind-bogglingly stupid.

The twins weren't using a pitcher, they were using Williams "La Tortuga[nb]because he's small and round[/nb]" Astudillo. He wasn't trying - sometimes position players pitch in blowout games but they're professional athletes and have their pride. They might not need the stats, but they still want to beat you and can likely throw 80mph+ without too much hassle. I've literally never seen a pitch as slow as Astudillo's 46mph in all my years of watching the game - if he was down 3-0 in the count, he's not even throwing it accurately. Nobody will get "shown up" because nobody gives a fuck in the first place.

Yermín Mercedes (the batter) is a 28 year old rookie. That's very old to be breaking through, he will be on league minimum and every stat matters for his next (and likely, only) contract worth more than a few hundred thousand. For a guy who's been playing pro ball since he was 18, he needs every stat he can get to make his career make financial sense because you earn peanuts in the minors (a disgrace to the sport tbh, and something I could rant about all day - the minor league reliever of the year in 2019 was driving Uber in the off season to make ends meet).

So why is LaRussa so publicly mad? Two possible arguments - the batter ignored the "take" sign and swung anyway, and that's a discipline thing. Ok, maybe, but no need to have that argument in public and that's a stupid sign to give a batter anyway. Two - worried that the Twins might feel shown up, he is being loudly apologetic as publicly as possible to ensure the Twins don't hit anybody with "wild" pitches tomorrow. By making himself look a clown, he's taking one for the team... except the next day, the Twins did throw at Mercedes (and missed lol) and LaRussa publicly said he had no problem with what they did. That's your player, dipshit - if you don't have a problem with them getting beaned you probably should, and you definitely shouldn't say it's fine out loud to the media.

So what's going on here? Basically, LaRussa is a dinosaur. He turned a blind eye to a lot of players juicing in the '90s and early '00s on his teams, then complained they were getting pilloried just for cheating. He has two DUIs on record (including one this year where he was literally asleep at the wheel, and the dashcam footage is public and not a good look). The guy's a clown shoe stuck in the '70s. This incarnation of the white Sox are fun and full of flair so they're the worst possible fit. Basically, because LaRussa is mates with the current owner (who runs his teams like fiefdoms), he's got a job for life regardless of how embarrassing and untenable that becomes. That he's squandering this much talent just makes it worse.

Incredibly long boring rambling post fuck it post.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 20, 2021, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 20, 2021, 10:27:30 AM
Speaking of pitchers, Shohei Ohtani currently leads the majors in home runs as well as:

• Batting second while being the starting pitcher (hadn't been done in the AL or NL since 1903)
• Leading off the day after being the starting pitcher (hadn't been done since 1916)
• Becoming the third player ever to play the field in the same game as striking out 10 batters
• Becoming one of just two players on record to throw a ball 100-plus mph and hit one 100-plus mph in the same game).

Absolutely incredible.

Love these Ohtani stats. He was pitching faster (100mph) than the exit velo on his dinger (99.7mph) the other day.
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Post by: Bernice on May 20, 2021, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on May 20, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
Incredibly long boring rambling post fuck it post.

Not at all, very much enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on May 20, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
Anyone had a go at the radar pitching cage? Have spent a dollar probably 10 times, lifetime record in high 30s and it felt as though I would burst a blood vessel in my hand from the blood whipping down there on the best ones. I bet my form is all wrong though.
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Post by: Ferris on May 20, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
No, but I'd love a go.
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Post by: Dex Sawash on May 20, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
King of CaB should be obtainable, seems almost everyone over 12 breaks 40
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Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on May 21, 2021, 03:37:35 AM
I'm against padding your stats off a jolly catcher-utility man throwing 40 mph. I say plunk away!
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Post by: BlodwynPig on May 21, 2021, 07:16:30 AM
I thought the walk was on the 3 not the 4?
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 21, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
Strikeout is 3, walk is 4
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Post by: dr beat on May 21, 2021, 01:17:37 PM
Quote from: Bernice on May 20, 2021, 11:20:57 AM
Not at all, very much enjoyed that.

Yes thanks also Ferris.

I've been very much getting back into baseball, been enjoying sticking a full game on Youtube of an evening, even if its just an old one.  Whenever I've been in baseball territory on my travels I've always tried to get to a game.  Been to a couple of MLB matches, and a minor league one out in Fresno, but particularly enjoyed the one I saw in South Korea.  Packed stadium and great atmosphere. 
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Post by: Ferris on May 21, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
Gah! Wrote out a long piece about east Asian baseball (and NPB in particular) only to have to put my phone down to attend to childcare. When I returned, the page had refreshed (?) and my reply was gone!

The basic point was - jealous! I'd love to see a game in Korea or Japan.

And a quick mention of personal hero Larry Doby who played a season in Japan, and ceremonial first pitches in Asia being far more interesting than in North America. Might try and reconstruct my original post later if I get time.
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Post by: dr beat on May 21, 2021, 04:30:49 PM
Please do if you can, sounds like a good read!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: BlodwynPig on May 21, 2021, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 21, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
Strikeout is 3, walk is 4

Guh! Dissonance
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 24, 2021, 07:34:41 PM
I've only just noticed the Blue Jays are playing their home games in Florida. I like sunny open air grass stadiums but it definitely feels a bit wrong. And then they're gonna be in Buffalo?
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Post by: Ferris on May 24, 2021, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 24, 2021, 07:34:41 PM
I've only just noticed the Blue Jays are playing their home games in Florida. I like sunny open air grass stadiums but it definitely feels a bit wrong. And then they're gonna be in Buffalo?

Border's still closed so they're playing at the spring training complex in Dunedin. The tiddly capacity isn't a huge deal while no one is really allowed into games but as gathering limits relax, they'll move to Sahlen Field in Buffalo, home of the Jays AAA affiliate the Buffalo Bisons (they've been expanding seating in preparation). It's close to TO so if (when?) the border opens the team won't have far to move.

The uncertainty about where the team would play "home" games (where players buy a house and set their up family up, put their kids in school etc) apparently made some free agent signings difficult this off season so they're hoping to get re-settled as quickly possible.
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Post by: BlodwynPig on May 24, 2021, 07:58:49 PM
Buffalo Bisons going to be pissed. Ive found a site with archive Bison games from 1995 onwards, apparently Indians affiliated back then. Some great matches.
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Post by: El Unicornio, mang on May 24, 2021, 08:24:08 PM
Thanks for the info. Nice to see they're winning anyway, the Rays have been on a 10-0 run, Yankees doing well lately, that whole division is tough.
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Post by: Ferris on May 24, 2021, 08:46:50 PM
Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 24, 2021, 08:24:08 PM
Thanks for the info. Nice to see they're winning anyway, the Rays have been on a 10-0 run, Yankees doing well lately, that whole division is tough.

Yeah it's not super fun really, if we were in the NL East life would be much easier and we'd make the post season more regularly. As it is, when the Yankees are bad the Red Sox are good. Or the Rays. Even the orioles were making post season appearances a few years back.

Such is life.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 28, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
The Cardinals are in the news, and...they may not be in the wrong?

Chris Rose podcast segment on the situation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_KAOGrfK3o)

Cardinals reliever Gio Gallegos is asked to remove his cap before he's even thrown a pitch, because old-ass umpire Joe West thought there was a foreign substance on it. There may have been, I take the protestations from the team with a pinch of salt, but Cardinals manager Mike Shildt went nuclear in the post-game presser, accusing MLB of ignoring cheating, pointing out that pitchers have been openly mocking the rules on foreign substances (Trevor Bauer sells a shirt with "legalise pine tar" written on it, for example) and not a damn thing has happened to any of them - so why come and get in his pitcher's head before he's even started? Why pick this moment to suddenly start enforcing the rules?

Of course, Twitter was full the next day of pictures of pitchers, that day, with foreign substances on their caps, and there were tons of videos shared of pitchers very obviously using something, from their glove, cap, arm or whatever.

I think the gradual decrease in offense is slowly killing the game. Before, if one of the Cardinals guys had a no-hitter going through 6, you'd be excited, maybe tell people to start watching the game if they weren't already. Now, it's a boringly regular occurence. Batting averages are lower than they were in 1968, "the year of the pitcher", after which MLB lowered the mound. Something has to happen, and it has to be big. Either drastically increase the penalties for cheating and rigorously enforce them, move the mound back, shrink the strike zone, I don't care - but this is not working.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on May 28, 2021, 05:32:47 PM
They will have to enforce the pine tar rules, I don't see how they can ignore it much longer. Every scrub can get elite spin rates by cheating in a way MLB allows.

We're at what, 8 no hitters already? Plus a complete game no hitter for Bumgarner that was 7 innings because it was the second half of a double header[nb]MLB after these rule changes: yes, 7 innings is a full game so you should pay full price to watch it, also no it doesn't count as a full game in the scoring record for [insert reason here][/nb]. As you say, league batting average is in the .230s and an entire team is hitting below the Mendoza Line (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line). That's absurd, even if it is the Mariners.

Lower the mound, increase the distance to HP, or just enforce the rules that are there already (and they made a big song and dance about enforcing before conveniently forgetting, putting fingers in their ears, and hoping the very visible issue would just resolve itself. See also: steroids in the '90s).

Still, Vlad looks good this year eh?
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Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 30, 2021, 01:05:47 PM
It seems this is going to snowball - more and more active players are calling out the open cheating, and if MLB do nothing about it, it's going to look absolutely terrible for them. I get the feeling we're going to have a situation where a batter at the plate openly complains about it, or picks up a ball and demonstrates to the cameras what's happening, and fairly soon. I'd say it's been an open secret but it's not even been a secret.

Marcell Ozuna, who I enjoyed as a Cardinal, was arrested on Friday for allegedly choking his wife and throwing her against a wall (the second thing was witnessed by the cops that responded to the call, apparently). She was arrested for assaulting him last year, too, to add a cherry to the top of this shit sundae. This sort of assault on a spouse is guaranteed jail time, too, so looks like Ozuna's time in organised baseball is at an end.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 25, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
Looks like the pitchers are now complaining about the foreign substance challenges, without seeming to understand it's their actions that caused all this in the first place.

Anyway. The Cardinals are in free-fall, it seems like, with their normally great players doing terribly, their pitchers aiming for some all-time record for walks, and them losing at such a rate that trading for guys to help them this season seems more and more pointless. I shall ignore the hyperbole of the fanbase, but this feels like the worst team they've had since the 90s. Someone in the front office of this team is not going to make it to the end of the season.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on June 25, 2021, 06:52:05 PM
Meanwhile the jays are on the up and up!

Ludicrous offensive numbers not helped by the worst bullpen by WAR in the league, with a few nice trades we could be in wild card territory this year and after that who knows?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on June 29, 2021, 11:17:03 PM
We got the nipper a tiny basketball net that came with half a dozen of those plastic ball-pit balls. Out of interest, I threw a couple and they're excellent for pitching. If you snap you wrist at the release point your slider can get insane movement, and fastballs with enough backspin travel in ruler-straight lines. Still can't throw a decent curveball to save me life but it was really interesting to see the spin impact each throw. I even worked out the grip/release for a screwball and can see how they'd mess up your shoulder.

Fun little diversion if you get the opportunity.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on June 30, 2021, 12:07:37 AM

NC State baseball team sent home from college world series semi-finals for too many players testing positive for banned substances (COVID virus). The university didn't require vax.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on June 30, 2021, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on June 25, 2021, 06:52:05 PM
Meanwhile the jays are on the up and up!

Ludicrous offensive numbers not helped by the worst bullpen by WAR in the league, with a few nice trades we could be in wild card territory this year and after that who knows?

Jays traded for a decent reliever and Dickerson, who'd be the 5th (?) outfielder but currently unable to walk with no timeline for a return from injury. I'm pretty sure the Marlins just traded him to avoid his salary because they're a joke franchise, but a veteran left handed bench bat (I think he's league average?) and a desperately needed bullpen addition in Cimber (who pitches submarine style! My favourite!) is alright by me.

Quote from: Dex Sawash on June 30, 2021, 12:07:37 AM
NC State baseball team sent home from college world series semi-finals for too many players testing positive for banned substances (COVID virus). The university didn't require vax.

The framing of vaccines in the US seems to be about "personal choice", but it's like your personal choice to text while driving or have a few martinis before operating heavy machinery on a construction site. From a hyper-libertarian view I suppose you could make a case for it, but it is a baffling position from the outside.

The uptake is now so poor, American-made vaccines are being exported at much higher than anticipated volumes and the Canadian vaccine timeline has moved up dramatically. I'm getting my second Moderna shot on Friday instead of early September as a result so thank you NC State baseball team, I guess.

I assumed the Research Triangle area would be heavily vaccinated as it tends to skew by education and socio-economic lines. Shows what I know.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on June 30, 2021, 12:49:06 PM

At the kids level, baseball (and softball) seems to attract a high participation level of families of fuckwits. That probably trickles up to higher levels of sport. Baseball may be the most individual of team sports but I haven't really paused to think that through. Astonishing that NCSU only had 13 vaxxed on the squad.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on June 30, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=demRwn71yl8

Jomboy goes to Savannah, watches the Bananas, and tells everyone about the brilliant new game of banana ball. I have a Savannah Bananas shirt from when they first started, and am delighted they seem to have turned into the Harlem Globetrotters of baseball.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 30, 2021, 09:53:32 PM
Well, how did your team make out at the trade deadline? The Cardinals traded for JA Happ, who's the worst starter in baseball this season (per bWAR) and Jon Lester, who was good five years ago.

Both of them (along with dumpster pickup Wade LeBlanc, who I'll be going to Busch Stadium to watch start tonight) will probably be retiring at the end of the season. Add in Adam Wainwright, who's older than all of them, and the Cardinals might be close to having the oldest rotation of all time. These are not the moves of a team that wants to win, and not the moves of a team who wants to get better in the future. They're nothing moves, and every media outlet is rightly mocking them for it.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on July 30, 2021, 10:16:49 PM
Jays have picked up Brad Hand as part of the Nationals' fire sale, and José Berríos from the twins for 1.5 very legit prospects.

Suspect that's a massive overpay (we're not even getting a lottery ticket type prospect back) and although I'm not as massively hyped as some on Austin Martin who was never going to play the infield for the Jays anyway because of the existing roster, I still feel like we should have gotten more.

Other than that, nothing outside of small-time players (think we just picked up a reliever or two?) so there you go. Semien will go after this season (my preddo: Yankees) so we will clear some of the logjam in the infield and the Jays can focus on pitching and a solid third baseman (Bryant?). Overall not massively impressed, but pleased we aren't making knee jerk moves on rentals when this season is already a bit of a write off.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 06, 2021, 04:38:33 AM
I'm not sure if the Cardinals broke a single game record tonight, but they managed to walk in 4 runs in a row with the bases loaded. They are, though, two bases loaded walks away from the all-time single season record.

I've thought the Cardinals have been bad before, but this is the first time I've been embarrassed for them. It's pathetic, a bunch of has-beens, underperforming young guys, and the only real star having an average season.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on August 06, 2021, 12:43:50 PM
I saw the Cards were trading for some ridiculously past-it pitchers. I don't know the depth of the farm but I can't think of any highly touted prospects in that system.

I think this is the beginning of a 5 year rebuild unfortunately. It means tickets will be cheap! When the Jays stunk I could go watch a game on a whim for like $3.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on August 06, 2021, 01:25:14 PM
I've mentioned it before, but one of the things I love about baseball is due to the sheer number of games played, very unlikely things happen all the time.

Here is a fly ball that bounced, hit a door handle and unlatched it right at the moment a player was running at it so he literally ran off the field (without meaning to).

https://gfycat.com/acceptablehappygoluckyharborporpoise
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Gurke and Hare on August 07, 2021, 11:14:22 PM
Mets have Metsed it. They'll probably finish third if they're lucky, and won't finish about .500.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 10, 2021, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 06, 2021, 01:25:14 PM
I've mentioned it before, but one of the things I love about baseball is due to the sheer number of games played, very unlikely things happen all the time.

Here is a fly ball that bounced, hit a door handle and unlatched it right at the moment a player was running at it so he literally ran off the field (without meaning to).

https://gfycat.com/acceptablehappygoluckyharborporpoise
The link you linked to is a perfectly reasonable (but not very exciting) groundout.

The most common feeling among Cardinals fans at the moment is just...boredom. They're not good and going for the pennant, they're not bad and trying out a bunch of new guys, they're just there, with their slightly better than replacement players, in mid table obscurity.

I'm already getting "hey, come see a game for $6, with $6 worth of credit to spend inside the ballpark" emails, but it's so fucking hot and humid in St Louis, I'm not going outside til late September.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on August 10, 2021, 11:18:13 PM
Yeah I saw the link went to a default thing and I couldn't work out how to fix it. Lazy lazy ferris. Apologies.

Anyone see the Dinger-gate at the Rockies/Marlins game? Larry David type stuff.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 12, 2021, 02:45:18 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 10, 2021, 11:18:13 PM

Anyone see the Dinger-gate at the Rockies/Marlins game? Larry David type stuff.

Reverse Milkshake Duck
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on August 12, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
I can see him trying to explain it to Suzie after the game

LD: I was yelling at the dinosaur! The mascot! I wanted a picture!

SG: Larry why the fuck does a grown man get photos with a mascot?
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 12, 2021, 02:47:05 PM
That was a very weird thing. Now, of course, "I was saying dinger" will be the first excuse every racist uses.

The Cardinals, freed from the chance of qualifying for the post season, have been beating up on a terrible team like they're supposed to (well, their chances are 1.9%, but they're not going to do it). Adam Wainwright pitched a complete game shutout on just 88 pitches last night, a few weeks before his 40th birthday, and the lovely stats people told us he's the oldest person to ever do that (the 88 pitches or less thing).
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on August 15, 2021, 12:15:16 PM
rewatched Moneyball and then had a poke around on Baseball Reference to see how true it is. complete pack of lies. The 2002 As five best players by WAR: Zito, Hudson, Tejada, Chavez, Mulder. None mentioned in the film at all.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on August 15, 2021, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: sevendaughters on August 15, 2021, 12:15:16 PM
rewatched Moneyball and then had a poke around on Baseball Reference to see how true it is. complete pack of lies. The 2002 As five best players by WAR: Zito, Hudson, Tejada, Chavez, Mulder. None mentioned in the film at all.

Zito won a Cy Young that year too. I think the analytics (as rudimentary as it looks today) helped get an extra few points of OPS out of the offence (and that's not nothing) but it was definitely not as crucial as it's made out to be. Some of the thinking was genuinely novel at the time though.

I've read the book and I remember it is more all-encompassing, but it still focuses on the fringe players in a way that is (to be fair) more narratively interesting rather than wholly accurate. A single crocked reliever and a first baseman who gets on base 30 points higher than the next guy won't win it all.

Anyway, still my favourite baseball film.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on August 15, 2021, 02:30:02 PM

Was expecting a textwall of Moneyball defense. 9/10
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on August 15, 2021, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 15, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
Was expecting a textwall of Moneyball defense. 9/10

I held myself to "some of the thinking was genuinely novel" which deserves some sort of medal for restraint.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on August 15, 2021, 03:50:20 PM
I like that it presents a different view of reality other than the prevailing one, but I think acknowledging some of the larger realities would have made for a stronger film.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on August 15, 2021, 06:37:46 PM
I read the book about 10 years ago, and it was pretty interesting. It made a bunch of also-ran As players into famous names, which was quite nice too.

I feel bad for any actual As fans, though. They're the absolute definition of cheering on laundry (along with the Rays, in recent years). If a player gets good, they'll trade him for someone slightly less good but a lot cheaper.

It's maybe slightly out of date now, but if you can find it cheap, "Baseball Between The Numbers" by the staff of Baseball Prospectus is a really interesting book. Talks about how stats, for instance, would try to accurately compare Bonds to Ruth, taking into account the vastly different environments both guys played in, and so on. Slightly more up to date is Brian Kenny's "Ahead of the Curve: Inside the Baseball Revolution", which is a "traditional" journalist proselytising for the advanced use of stats.

Too many recent books on baseball, especially from people who used to be employed by Fangraphs or whoever, are faintly psychopathic odes to billionaire owners getting even richer by screwing their players. There was one a year or so ago which heavily featured Trevor Bauer, a decision I presume the authors now regret.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on August 16, 2021, 01:40:48 AM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on August 15, 2021, 02:24:18 PM


Anyway, still my favourite baseball film.

I'd have it a close second behind Major League. There are actually quite a lot of good baseball films, at least compared to movies about other sports.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: EOLAN on August 16, 2021, 09:54:05 AM
Quote from: Dex Sawash on August 15, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
Was expecting a textwall of Moneyball defense. 9/10

The book was great. The film was meh.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 13, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
Blue Jays put 22 runs past Baltimore today. Damn.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on September 13, 2021, 12:43:44 AM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on September 13, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
Blue Jays put 22 runs past Baltimore today. Damn.

And scored 22 against them yesterday too (albeit across 2 games or a double header) including 11 runs in one half inning.

Officially in a wild card spot now too.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 13, 2021, 01:16:55 AM
Good news for Orioles fans is tickets must be $0 now.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on September 13, 2021, 02:07:43 AM
I think they'll need to start paying people to show up at this rate. They stink out loud.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 22, 2021, 03:40:29 AM
Amazingly, the Cardinals have become world-beaters since I last posted, winning 9 in a row and almost locking up the second wild card spot. Trevor Plouffe, who now works for Jomboy Media doing really insightful breakdowns of crucial plays, did one on a Cardinals double play in the 10th, against the Mets. While it certainly helps that it's my team being talked about, Plouffe is just really interesting to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQBXxE3zYI
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on September 22, 2021, 08:27:22 AM
Orioles at home all week to close out, loads of availability but cheapest is for the midweek games (ie. today/tomorrow) against the Rangers, $15. Bet if you live locally you can probably get a freebie, sports events are always papering crowds. I got two freebies for MLS when I was in California.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on September 22, 2021, 02:06:09 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on September 22, 2021, 03:40:29 AM
Amazingly, the Cardinals have become world-beaters since I last posted, winning 9 in a row and almost locking up the second wild card spot. Trevor Plouffe, who now works for Jomboy Media doing really insightful breakdowns of crucial plays, did one on a Cardinals double play in the 10th, against the Mets. While it certainly helps that it's my team being talked about, Plouffe is just really interesting to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQBXxE3zYI

And despite being on track for 90+ wins and Guerrero Jr leading the league in hits, runs, home runs, batting average, on base percentage, OPS (& OPS+), and oWAR, he is unlikely to win MVP and the Jays are 50/50 to even make the post season.

Life is not fair.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 22, 2021, 02:20:11 PM
sevendaughters, that seems weird. The Cardinals are offering great swathes of their stadium at $10 a ticket for the last week of the season, and that includes the Cubs, who admittedly aren't very good this year but the rivalry / hatred usually does well for ticket sales. Perhaps they just want to get people in the door so it looks good on the telly, whereas the Orioles don't care either way.

The Cardinals are up to 10 in a row now, which is their best run of wins in nearly 20 years. This team! Although it's one of those things, where you look at it and see that Arenado and O'Neill are having great years despite not having any flashy hitting numbers; and their defence is best in the majors by quite a distance. At least Blue Jays fans get to see one of the best players in the world doing his thing? Honestly, watching Cardinals games this year has occasionally felt like a chore.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Attila on September 22, 2021, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on September 13, 2021, 02:07:43 AM
I think they'll need to start paying people to show up at this rate. They stink out loud.

Lifelong Orioles fan here: sigh...and I remember the heady days of the start of the 1988 season.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on September 22, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
Quote from: Attila on September 22, 2021, 07:23:16 PM
Lifelong Orioles fan here: sigh...and I remember the heady days of the start of the 1988 season.

They'll get a few decent draft picks for this abject season, and their farm is supposed to be very good so I don't think they'll be terrible for much longer?

Another year or two and the Red Sox rebuild will be under way, the Yankees will run out of steam with the overpaid vets they have. The O's will be running headlong into the Jays' competitive window but if they're good enough a wildcard spot will be theirs for the taking (maybe).
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on September 27, 2021, 02:43:30 PM
Mocking the title of the thread, last night's game had one of those wild endings that will hopefully make a great Jomboy breakdown.

Cardinals - Cubs, bottom of the 9th. An "infield fly" was called, and the umpire at 2nd didn't understand the rule very well, calling a runner out as if it was a force play, then calling the ball dead while things were still happening. Fuck-up after fuck-up, and the umpires were asked to explain the rule after the end of the game, to which they replied "no comment". Ah, to be completely free from consequence!
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 07, 2021, 02:47:23 PM
Ah well, the Cardinals made it to the Wild Card game but were unable to do much against the Dodgers, and are out. Still, that last month was a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on October 07, 2021, 02:53:21 PM
Jays the best 4th placed team in the history of baseball, but 4th doesn't get you into the post season so we're done until 2022.

Cool.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: sevendaughters on October 07, 2021, 03:42:03 PM
bring that team back next year a decent bullpen and Ryu gaining some control and they win 100
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on October 14, 2021, 10:58:31 PM
Moderately interesting news - out of nowhere, the same day that a playoff game is happening, the Cardinals have fired their manager, Mike Shildt. A "philosophical difference", apparently, and I look forward to more news coming out about this, the Cardinals hiring some other boring guy from inside their org, etc.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: El Unicornio, mang on October 15, 2021, 05:44:52 AM
Atrocious umpire call on a blatant check swing ends it for the Giants (although statistically they'd have likely gone out anyway). Not even close.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBts0rYXoAE6yE9?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBtt61GXMAIUXYP?format=jpg&name=medium)

I like the Dodgers enough though, and can't stand the three other teams left in so hoping they retain the title.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on October 15, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
Horrible way to end it, but calls in the 9th are always fucking brutal.

I can think of a few where the Jays were just cheated out of a fair chance because the umps are lazy fucks who want to go home. We win 2 of those, we're in the post season. Robot umps will fix those, but there's no definition of what constitutes a checked swing in the rules, so you can't review it or even objectively say if it was or not.

Personally I think something should be added about the bat head crossing home plate - if it goes past, it's a swinging strike and if not it's a checked swing. That makes sense, and you can use overhead cameras to say "yes that was the right call" or not even if you can't review it on the field. Right now, it is entirely umpire discretion and they face no repercussions for being terrible and lazy so even a huge call like this can be tossed off and they can piss off home.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Dex Sawash on November 03, 2021, 12:32:58 PM
I think the braves are a lock for world series of based ball
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Ferris on November 03, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Hmm I dunno, still a long way to go.
Title: Re: Baseball 2021 - we defy you to care
Post by: Famous Mortimer on November 03, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
Former MLBer and current Jomboy team member Trevor Plouffe is getting a lot of publicity because he exactly predicted this ("Braves over Astros in 6") back in March. Good on him!