FREE TOMMY ROBINSON!!!!!!!!!!!

[DrGreggles]

tolerant
/ˈtɒl(ə)r(ə)nt/
adjective
1. showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behaviour that one does not necessarily agree with.

Right, I'm blocking the cunt.

[Cuellar]

It's no coincidence but it IS bullshit. Surely the most educated about Islam would be its followers who would be unlikely to be phobic against themselves. Ya dummy

Shia vs Sunni

CHECKMATE

[phantom_power]

Fuck you pal

As a side note, I can't help reading this thread title and following up with "IN EVERY COPY OF THIS WEEK'S LOOK-IN!!!!!!"

[Pdine]

This is exactly what I was after, many thanks. Sounds like a damning passage, but the respondent's case underneath that quote makes clear the context of those words, where he is directly addressing the press, which again is presumably why the court didn't charge or convict him with incitement.

You're welcome, although your analysis is lacking to the point of tendentiousness. He was accused of contempt, and this judgement deals with that accusation. The fact that the same process didn't result in a charge of 'incitement' is entirely unremarkable. What he did say, and what he did, risked the due process around a case he pretended to care about. He either did care, and was too stupid to understand how his self-promotion risked potentially freeing paedophiles, or he didn't care, and was there for the views. There's not another option, as far as I can see.

[Johnny Yesno]

There's not another option, as far as I can see.

There is another option: that he hoped the accused would get off.

[Jumblegraws]

Yes that's been posted here before. Alas I don't find much of it hugely convincing, except the bit at the start where they announce that Tommy So-Called-Etc is not a nazi, a fascist or a white supremacist. Even so, hopenothate is a very partial source, their arguments here are weak and vague and crucially there are next to no seriously damning quotes from the subject (if they were doing a hit-piece on Nick Griffin, it would be full of his own words).

What's crucial here about the available volume of on-the-record bile, as compared with Nick Griffin or otherwise? Even if I were to make the incredibly generous allowance that his most unequivocal anti-muslim comments have to left aside because he apologised afterwards or whatever other asinine reason you'd care to aver, I'd still be able to point to the inflated rhetoric about encroaching Sharia and the marginalisation of non-muslims, disseminated moreover in the context of an increased hostility towards muslims generally. A disinterested party might read his words in the abstract and conclude that he has nothing more than an ideological opposition to radical Islamism, but in reality only a recklessly ignorant or disingenuous person would claim to hold that position.

I could go through it and flag up each of the various issues, but nobody wants that. I'm not much fussed if Flouncer wants to argue that I'm demonstrating 'bad faith', I'm not trying to deceive anyone. I'm an agnostic on virtually everything, I'm never going to vote, march, donate or campaign for any political figure. These thoughts are harmless, and if they can be rationally rebutted without recourse to personal insults, then the sooner the better.

Detached apathy (because if you're as neutral about Robinson as you claim, that's what it is, not agnosticism) isn't a credential, and there's plenty historical precedent that, as a prevailing attitude, it can be very harmful.
I hope the personal insults don't let up. You're clearly part of the Ann Widdecombe school of pompous spite that is presented as occupying the higher civil ground because your opinions trickle put with nary a "CUNT!!!" or "fuck off" in sight. You deserve the invective and it's fun to read.

PS I suspect you're trying to channel Flemming Rose with your little aside about allowing bigoted opinions to be debated publicly. Two points: 1) That has no bearing on Robinson's latest conviction or this tangent about whether or not he's an islamophobe. 2) Based on his comments about Geert Wilders, Rose would probably take a dim view of Robinson's vague-but-forthright belief that restrictions of some kind or another be placed on muslims.

[sponk]

Islamophobia can't exist. Knowledge about Islam and fear of it are a one-way street. It's no coincidence that the most educated about Islam are its biggest critics. Ignorance of Islam results in Islamophilia, which does exist.

Working class thickos are the most vocal about Islam because it has been imported into their neighbourhoods, and they suffer the effects, rather than the middle-class Islamophiles.

If I fear that Islam is going to cover the world in 80 foot cockroaches and blow up the sun would that be islamophobic?

[marquis_de_sad]

Islamophobia can't exist. Knowledge about Islam and fear of it are a one-way street. It's no coincidence that the most educated about Islam are its biggest critics. Ignorance of Islam results in Islamophilia, which does exist.

This doesn't even work on its own terms. There must be some clever bigots out there you can read who can help you to at least put together a coherent argument.

[lebowskibukowski]

Found this poem on Twitter today, written by "a talented wordsmith".
Do not have the basic skills to link it so will just write it out...


Seeking asylum FROM Great Britain
The country where the Magna Carta was written
A country where the rape-gangs roam
To lure the young girl from her home
A country where the left appease
The moslems...on their knees
Where Tommy is the new Rubin Carter
Tommy, the revolution starter
And like Hurricane, he gave no quarter
And if he dies in prison, he'll be a martyr
And the media are like Bello and Bradley
Who want Tommy punished, very badly
And I can't help but feel ashamed
To live in a land
Where justice is a game

I'm welling up here. Makes you proud to be British, dunnit?

[lazarou]

Where Tommy is the new Rubin Carter
Tommy, the revolution starter
And like Hurricane, he gave no quarter
And if he dies in prison, he'll be a martyr

Hurricane who? Higgins?

[Norton Canes]

Intriguing use of ellipsis as sort of... blank syllables. Dramatic pause?

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Wasn't Rubin Carter actually guilty as fuck, leading Dylan to basically disassociate from him, or have I got the wrong end of the stick there

[Lordofthefiles]

Carter
Starter
Quarter
Martyr
Sharter
Farter
Cunta

[Barry Admin]

Hurricane who? Higgins?

The afore-mentioned Rubin Carter:

Rubin "Hurricane" Carter (May 6, 1937 – April 20, 2014) was an American-Canadian middleweight boxer who was convicted twice of triple murder. He was released after a judge subsequently granted a petition of habeas corpus on procedural grounds [1] after spending almost 20 years in prison.

[king_tubby]

He's not even English!

[phantom_power]

Want Tommy punished, very badly? Does that mean they will do a bad job of it?

Tim Key couldn't write a poem as funny as that. The right wing might be shit at intentional humour but they are fucking amazing at the unintended variety

You can always spot a racist cunt by the way they spell "moslem" as well.

And on a point of technicality, would a rape gang lure a young girl from their home? You would have to be pretty stupid to be lured out by a rape gang

[phantom_power]

Oh and likening Are Tommy to a victim of racism is next level lacking in self-awareness

[drummersaredeaf]

Blarter

[Jumblegraws]

Intriguing use of ellipsis as sort of... blank syllables. Dramatic pause?

I think it's filler put in because that line is shorter than the others by a few metrical feet (barring the dramatic couplet at the end).

[lazarou]

The afore-mentioned Rubin Carter:

Ah cheers for that. Probably should have got that from the context really.

[SpiderChrist]

"And I can't help but feel ashamed
To live in a land
Where justice is a game"

This is essentially a steal from Bob Dylan's "Hurricane". Cunt can't even write anything original.

"Rubin Carter was falsely tried
The crime was murder "one," guess who testified?
Bello and Bradley and they both baldly lied
And the newspapers, they all went along for the ride
How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool's hand?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game"

[Dex Sawash]

Hurricane who? Higgins?

Hawker Hurricane

[Golden E. Pump]

Hurricane Helms.

Tried to chokeslam The Rock, mate.

[Ferris]

"And I can't help but feel ashamed
To live in a land
Where justice is a game"

This is essentially a steal from Bob Dylan's "Hurricane". Cunt can't even write anything original.

"Rubin Carter was falsely tried
The crime was murder "one," guess who testified?
Bello and Bradley and they both baldly lied
And the newspapers, they all went along for the ride
How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool's hand?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game"

Was just about to make this point.

Imagine trying to pass off fucking Hurricane as your own shoddy verse. It's Bob fucking Dylan for fuck's sake. Referencing Rubin Carter and Bello/Bradley, about someone in the UK in 2019 as if that was the most natural reference in the world, rather than the obvious fingerprints of some third-rate lyrical larceny.

"Yeah I reckon I'll get away with this"

Fucking state of that. For shame.

[Cuellar]

It's like when that nonce hunter started quoting Dylan at a nonce.

Incomprehensible.

[ErnestTakadichi]

A country where the left appease
The moslems dot dot dot on their knees

[What Doth Life?]

A country where the left appease
The moslems dot dot dot on their knees

If you actually say the word "ellipsis" it almost scans. Would also accept "comma" and "em dash", "colon" probably pushes the luck a bit too far.

[Ferris]

It's like when that nonce hunter started quoting Dylan at a nonce.

???

[What Doth Life?]

A country where the rape-gangs roam

"...hear their hellish rondeleeeeeeeeet"

[Cuellar]

???

Can't remember the exact hunter/nonce involved. I'm sure someone here will, though. It came up in one of the hunter threads here.