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Title: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on June 24, 2017, 08:33:19 AM
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'Watchmen' TV Series From Damon Lindelof in the Works at HBO. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/watchmen-tv-series-damon-lindelof-works-at-hbo-1014987)

I'm sure Alan Moore will be setting his DVR for this... anyway, what do you reckon? The movie was quite faithful to the source material in many ways, but also quite corny and leaden.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: samadriel on June 24, 2017, 10:02:04 AM
Lindelof is shit, so my hopes are pretty much dashed. People say The Leftovers is good, but I'm suspicious.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: hermitical on June 24, 2017, 10:30:13 AM
yes and with Damon Lindelof involved I am even 'Moore' excited. Especially as Lindelof is a huge fan of Watchmen

http://www.cbr.com/re-reading-watchmen-with-lost-co-creator-damon-lindelof/ (http://www.cbr.com/re-reading-watchmen-with-lost-co-creator-damon-lindelof/)
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Catalogue Trousers on June 24, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
It all strikes me as rather pointless. You can't really do a sequel to Watchmen, and the prequels that DC put out didn't exactly go down a storm even with the less discerning fans. You could maybe get a decent mini-series out of 'what the Watchmen did before Watchmen', maybe giving more air-time and love to the Minutemen, but that's about all. The simple truth is that the Watchmen universe really isn't very ripe for expansion.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kittens on June 24, 2017, 11:34:50 AM
leftovers is best tv i ever seen. so will watch this
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Ja'moke on June 24, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Lindelof is shit, so my hopes are pretty much dashed. People say The Leftovers is good, but I'm suspicious.

The Leftovers is fucking fantastic. Especially Season 2 and 3.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: spock rogers on June 24, 2017, 09:05:47 PM
Didn't Terry Gilliam want to do Watchmen as a miniseries? Someone get him on the blower asap.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on June 25, 2017, 07:46:07 AM
Didn't Terry Gilliam want to do Watchmen as a miniseries? Someone get him on the blower asap.

Never heard that he wanted to do it as a series, but he was working on a movie at one point (I believe Michael Palin gives mention in his diaries to popping in to Gilliam's one day and chatting about it)... Alan Moore himself apparently talked him out of it. Paul Greengrass had a shot too, before Zack Snyder finally made it a reality.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: KennyMonster on June 30, 2017, 09:15:26 AM
Snyders film was too faithful that it came out a bit bland and yet at the same time seemed to miss a lot of the feeling of the original story, things taken at face value etc.

Plus needless slowed down action sequences which seemed a bit gratuitous.

If I was adapting it I'd make it a TV mini series instead of a movie so I could include the interviews, Tales From The Black Freighter as well as the main story.

I also don't know why people seem to insist on it having to be 'real action' as if it in some way validates the adaptation, I've always imagined an animation in the style of Akira would work best.

Having said that I have know idea how to make TV programmes or Movies or what sells, usually the stuff really I like is not enjoyed by the mainstream so what do I know.

Also HBO stuff tends to go straight onto Sky Atlantic so I won't be watching it on there so why are you even listening to me?   
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on June 30, 2017, 02:48:51 PM
Snyder's Watchmen movie was a total load of point-missing shit but I still think it's probably rendered this redundant if they're planning to do a straight-up adaptation, as good as (say) a 12-episode, faithful miniseries sounds on paper.

Plus, much of what made Watchmen work was that it did things that you can only do in comics. So a straight adaptation in any medium is going to be a bit pointless.

Similarly, though, I wouldn't want to see the comic adapted then padded out with extra guff to warrant multiple seasons. I don't want a bunch of 1960s/70s scenes added just so they can fill out a three-season order.

I think the best play would be to take characters, atmosphere and basic plot mechanics and update them so it's set in an alternative modern day rather than an alternative 1986 (or whenever).

Nobody's scared of nukes outside of North Korean craziness; nobody's scared of a US/Russia conflict outside of people caught up in their Syrian proxy war. There is a sense of grim foreboding and existential fear but that comes more from Global Warming, divisive politics, the rise of terrorism, the moron in the White House and the general feeling that post-WWII developments are collapsing.

So have Dr Manhattan be formed in the 1960s, make his triumph in Vietnam into a triumph in the Cold War, and update Ozymandias's sinister plot to make it about curbing Global Warming complacency and splintered humanity rather than stopping the bombs falling. Bosh! Sorted. (Respect due.)
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Sexton Brackets Drugbust on June 30, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
One of the oddest things about Snyders version was that, for remaining so slavishly faithful to much of it - at least cosmetically - he seemed to be labouring under the impression that they were all Superheroes, when the majority were just pillocks who dressed up.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Nobody Soup on July 02, 2017, 03:58:24 AM
here's me being a bit of a dick, and this is potentially a rubbish opinion but ok.

watchmen has dated pretty badly and is kinda over-rated. when it came out it was great, but only because it took the comic industry and subverted the hell out of the perception of superheroes in comics and the whole comic form. as an actual story about some characters it's a bit meh, rorscharch is the only really interesting one among them, the rest are bozos. and the whole idea of the threat being some outside foreign power just seems so 80s now. it gave the comic book industry a kick at the time but it responded to that kick and has since taken those experiments and concepts and done them better.

as an aside, I'm still annoyed the smartest man in the world used his public obsession as his password.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on September 20, 2017, 03:43:41 AM
So this has started filming... (https://www.instagram.com/p/BZO0ijeDh43)
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Shaky on September 20, 2017, 09:43:20 AM
here's me being a bit of a dick, and this is potentially a rubbish opinion but ok.

watchmen has dated pretty badly and is kinda over-rated. when it came out it was great, but only because it took the comic industry and subverted the hell out of the perception of superheroes in comics and the whole comic form. as an actual story about some characters it's a bit meh, rorscharch is the only really interesting one among them, the rest are bozos. and the whole idea of the threat being some outside foreign power just seems so 80s now. it gave the comic book industry a kick at the time but it responded to that kick and has since taken those experiments and concepts and done them better.

You're right in that it's very much of it's time - even Snyder realised that, although it was also an excuse for him to go all nostalgia-porn with the movie. I still think the graphic novel stands up though in terms of general themes, though, even if in places the execution and grim-dark characterisation has been copied to death now.

But yeah.. there's literally nothing more to mine out of it. Leave it as a period piece worth revisiting from time to time.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on September 20, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
Making out Dr. Manhattan to be the threat does make some kind of thematic sense, but I still can't get over the feeling that it was done more to be not so jarring to modern audiences, who, used to the idea of DNA analysis, would scoff at the notion of an "alien" created by genetically engineering a dead psychic's brain.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Gulftastic on September 20, 2017, 08:30:13 PM
I remember back in the day, (i.e. the 80's) when talk of a movie first surfaced. I remember one of the fan magazines doing a list of things they thought might happen, with a rating of one to five of how likely they were to happen. One of them was 'Chances that they might improve on the ending', and that was given a 50/50 chance.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 21, 2017, 12:17:18 AM
Making out Dr. Manhattan to be the threat does make some kind of thematic sense, but I still can't get over the feeling that it was done more to be not so jarring to modern audiences, who, used to the idea of DNA analysis, would scoff at the notion of an "alien" created by genetically engineering a dead psychic's brain.

The Doc Manhattan ending is better than the comic books. Makes much more sense. Adds to the notion that Ozymandias has a failing in that he is vain and jealous/bitter that an accident gave Doc much greater power and that he has had to (and must continue to) work extremely hard to stay at a peak that age will eventually rob from him.

Unless they can find a different light for it, it could be that it's the wrong time to adapt it. The Superhero realm is still pushing to optimism and away from "grim and gritty".



Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Urinal Cake on September 21, 2017, 12:28:18 AM
Moore's ending thematically made more sense. Ozymandias smartest man in the world puts all his effort into a theory of a 14 year old boy that the world would stop fighting and finally come together to defeat a greater threat from outer space. Which of course works temporarily. The idea you had creatives providing the inspiration for the scientists was tongue cv in cheek.
By changing it to Manhattan the irony is lost though you can add some personal animosity between Ozy and Dr M which makes the ending more reasonable to movie goers.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 21, 2017, 02:24:06 AM
the ending more reasonable to movie goers.

For me it moves in waves. I'm now of the opinion that the mind monster was a big multi-colour blowout necessitated by the nature of comics, just as much as the Doc Manhattan was needed for the cinema.
But I do prefer the Manhattan villain.
That growing sense of paranoia over him, build to a crescendo.

Is Ozymandias in the vein of some iterations of Lex Luthor? He has a distrust of superpowers because he wants mankind to not get lazy and just expect Superman/Doc Manhattan to save the day every time?


Okay, something has just struck me in the brains. I'm going to have an argument with myself.

Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Urinal Cake on September 21, 2017, 04:03:18 AM
I think Ozy believes that everybody has a duty to be their best and help humanity so Dr M having the powers of a god and fucking off to Mars would be annoying.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on September 21, 2017, 08:42:39 AM
But, while he couldn't have predicted Dr. M. would fuck off to Mars, the whole cancer plot was to marginalise and isolate him and drive him away so he wouldn't interfere. M's contributions to mankind at that point had been overall positive. Ish.

With that in consideration the movie ending does make more sense. He could have returned at any time and stopped it, or revealed the truth (despite ultimately agreeing with O's motives). Making him appear to be responsible forestalls that.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on October 06, 2017, 04:06:04 AM
SCOOP: Channel 4 Developing A 'V For Vendetta' TV Series. (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/04/scoop-channel-4-v-for-vendetta-tv-series)

Fucksake. If they do decide to go ahead with it, hopefully it'll be close to the source material than the movie.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Urinal Cake on October 06, 2017, 04:29:22 AM
But, while he couldn't have predicted Dr. M. would fuck off to Mars, the whole cancer plot was to marginalise and isolate him and drive him away so he wouldn't interfere. M's contributions to mankind at that point had been overall positive. Ish.

With that in consideration the movie ending does make more sense. He could have returned at any time and stopped it, or revealed the truth (despite ultimately agreeing with O's motives). Making him appear to be responsible forestalls that.
A bit late but that was Plan A, he also had Plan B which was to disintegrate him again in case M decided to become a hero again.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on October 06, 2017, 04:19:14 PM
And that was even more blatantly stupid. Dr. M. even says so - why would anyone think that killing him using a method he’d recovered from previously was on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: MojoJojo on October 06, 2017, 04:24:57 PM
Well, yes - I never really thought that was Plan B, it was just a delaying tactic till he could show off his new world order.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on January 31, 2018, 10:41:52 AM
'Watchmen' Enlists 'The Leftovers' Favorite to Direct Pilot. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/watchmen-enlists-leftovers-favorite-direct-pilot-1080242)

That is all.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on January 31, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
Having finally seen The Leftovers, I actually have some hope this could be a good show. Even excellent. Fingers crossed they diverge from the source material though.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Famous Mortimer on January 31, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
If they're going to diverge, update, whatever, why not just do something different? At that point, it just becomes a name, a few characters and a vague sense of mood you're borrowing. And every article about it will reference the not-great film, the fact the creator wants nothing to do with it, etc. Just leave it be.

I fully admit that I love the comic, think it's worth every bit of praise it's ever received and was cock-a-hoop with excitement when I first heard about the film. Heck, I still think there were some great bits to it, some amazing casting (although it feels like it had two casting directors, one of whom was a genius, one of whom was an idiot); but so much of it is tied up in its medium that it feels sort of pointless adapting it for another one. It's like doing an exactly faithful version of "If On A Winter's Night A Traveller".

If you're desperate to adapt another comic, how about "Invincible"? Or "Incorruptible" and "Irredeemable", running side by side?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Dr Rock on January 31, 2018, 10:03:34 PM
I would watch more Rorschach saying Rorschach things and doing Rorschach stuff.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Dr Rock on January 31, 2018, 10:05:47 PM
Ultimately Rorschach is the only one who is right, as he is the only one capable of thinking things are right or wrong.



Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: bgmnts on January 31, 2018, 10:08:38 PM
I would watch more Rorschach saying Rorschach things and doing Rorschach stuff.

Alan Moore reading excerpts of Rorschach's diary is delightful. He gives it some welly.

Oh and this is a stupid idea. Why can't people just do something new?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on February 01, 2018, 12:34:58 AM
If they're going to diverge, update, whatever, why not just do something different?

The themes, characters, dialogue and plot of Watchmen are all strong, it's just that everything else is basically a period piece. Even with a nuclear war with North Korea on the horizon it still feels like a relic. So take the good ideas, and the basic concept of diverging timelines with the arrival of Dr Manhattan, and give us an alternate reality 2018 that's still grappling with the same anxieties we have now.

Otherwise to might as well just go read the comic again.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on May 25, 2018, 04:11:32 AM
HBO’s ‘Watchmen’ Pilot Casts Regina King, Don Johnson, Four Others. (http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/watchmen-hbo-cast-regina-king-don-johnson-louis-gossett-jr-1202819966)

Quote
“Some of the characters will be unknown,” he said. “New faces. New masks to cover them. We also intend to revisit the past century of Costumed Adventuring through a surprising yet familiar set of eyes…and it is here we will be taking our greatest risks.”

I'm really losing interest in this.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: phantom_power on May 25, 2018, 07:13:27 AM
I don't know. I think that is a better idea than just another rehash of the comic. It's all in the execution I suppose
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: gatchamandave on May 25, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Hmmm...what's the betting they will try and incorporate material from the thoroughly misguided Before Watchmen series ?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: bgmnts on May 25, 2018, 10:46:35 AM
See I assumed most Watchmen fans would hate everything except the comic books. So who is this for?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: samadriel on May 25, 2018, 01:43:12 PM
See I assumed most Watchmen fans would hate everything except the comic books. So who is this for?

Well, outside of the main comic, 'everything' only includes the movie and 'Beyond Watchmen' (and the RPG handbook, I guess?), so the 'purity' of fans' enthusiasm hasn't really been tested very much.  I'd rather they'd change their approach -- maybe a bit like how the Preacher TV series has diverged from the comic -- than do another slavish Zach Snyder-esque effort.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Famous Mortimer on May 26, 2018, 01:23:05 PM
I realise there's a rant of mine on the previous page, but...does anyone actually want this? I mean, some of you are really looking forward to it, but were any of you, before it was announced, going "I sure hope they do something else with the Watchmen characters?"
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Deyv on May 26, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
I keep forgetting a TV show is being made, and when I'm reminded it elicits a sigh of low anxiety from me. I'm a fan of the comic, even if it did lead to too many bad imitators, and even the film has its merits, even if they are shallow.

There is a theoretical target audience for this show, though. Which is more than a completely new, risky idea has. Don't get me wrong, I think you're right, I just don't think it's how executives think.

Anyway, it might be really, really, really good!
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on June 27, 2018, 11:40:27 PM
‘Watchmen’: Jeremy Irons To Star In Damon Lindelof’s HBO Pilot. (https://deadline.com/2018/06/watchmen-jeremy-irons-cast-damon-lindelof-hbo-pilot-1202417623)

He's already part of the DC-verse as Alfred, but who will he play in this? YOU decide!
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: gatchamandave on July 01, 2018, 09:29:18 PM
Hooded Justice?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on July 01, 2018, 09:31:59 PM
An aged Ozymandias, I reckon.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: chveik on November 16, 2018, 04:13:16 AM
Reznor and Ross will make the soundtrack apparently
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on November 16, 2018, 08:10:42 AM
Good to see paul ross getting to work after the whole dogging thing.

I hear there's going to be a reznor/Paul ross collaboration out in Feb also
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: QDRPHNC on May 08, 2019, 06:54:51 PM
Official teaser is out. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zymgtV99Rko)

Can't decide if this is good or stupid.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Glebe on May 08, 2019, 08:38:52 PM
Official teaser is out. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zymgtV99Rko)

Can't decide if this is good or stupid.

Hmm. Yeah, actually quite a dramatic little tease, but... yeah. We'll see.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: chveik on May 08, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
still cautiously optimistic. tbh I don't care about Watchem at all, but Lindelof is an incredible screenwriter when he works for TV.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Norton Canes on May 08, 2019, 10:39:55 PM
‘Watchmen’: Jeremy Irons To Star In Damon Lindelof’s HBO Pilot. (https://deadline.com/2018/06/watchmen-jeremy-irons-cast-damon-lindelof-hbo-pilot-1202417623)

He's already part of the DC-verse as Alfred, but who will he play in this? YOU decide!

Just about to watch the teaser but before I do, my guess is... Moloch? Or perhaps one of the detectives.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Norton Canes on May 08, 2019, 10:42:04 PM
Hang on, what?!?! What the fuck's this?! I haven't been reading this thread at all have I.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Urinal Cake on May 08, 2019, 10:45:27 PM
So Watchmen: Gangs edition?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on May 08, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
Given the near-total lack of any familiar character names on IMDb, and the presence of Jeremy Irons as an elderly Ozymandias, looks like it’s following on from the events of the film/book.

EDIT: ha! Called it.

An aged Ozymandias, I reckon.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kalowski on May 08, 2019, 11:06:03 PM
An aged Ozymandias, I reckon.
That's who he looks like in the trailer. But Rorshach is dead, the Comedian is dead, Dr Manhattan fucked off. Not really interested in new characters.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on May 08, 2019, 11:10:28 PM
There is also, I note, a character called Mothman. Fame (non-supernatural) at last! He’sonly in two episodes. And I didn’t see a Night Owl or a Silk Spectre listed.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on May 08, 2019, 11:17:56 PM
Hopeful about this. Exactly recreating the comic is pointless - especially so after Snyder's shitfest - so just stealing some imagery and themes and going mad with a Rorschach army seems like a decent solution.

I will admit that 99 percent of my optimism is based on the fact that Damon Lindelof is behind it, though. The Leftovers became sublime once he left the book behind and went off on his own weird tangents.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on May 08, 2019, 11:27:17 PM
I binged the whole Leftovers run while on holiday last year. Terrific. I really hope his involvement in this equates to a guarantee of excellence.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mjwilson on July 21, 2019, 02:27:04 PM
Trailer out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKq1PRvPJQ

Use of "Life on Mars" is a bit much but otherwise looks quite fun.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Golden E. Pump on July 21, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Sounds like a show for poofters to me mate.

Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 21, 2019, 07:16:31 PM
Well up for this judging by the trailer, but how much sense will it make to someone unfamiliar with the comic? Was the Snyder film that popular? Even the trailer is making off-handed references to Veidt and Dr Manhattan without explaining who they are or why they're significant.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on July 21, 2019, 07:21:31 PM
I imagine there'll be a few reminders salted throughout the first few episodes. Can't quite tell what's going on from the new trailer; policemen are now wearing masks for thier own safety? And people are being murdered by Rorschach fanboys? Police being killed, or previous superheroes - so, like in the original. I wonder if that is how they'll ensure no involvement from Night Owl or Silk Spectre (who, like Ozymandias, would probably be too old to get up to much anyway)...
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 21, 2019, 07:27:10 PM
I assume Jeremy Irons is old Ozymandias, who's faked his death (hence one candle on his birthday cake - his new identity is only a year old).

Actual plot unclear, but yeah - looks like Rorschach's diary was found and printed at the end of Watchmen, leading to a bunch of nutter vigilantes. Those vigilantes started targeting cops (for not doing their jobs properly?) and the cops started wearing masks to hide their identities. Massive escalation, basically.

The rest of it - the conspiracy, the lad surrounded by dead people etc - I have no idea.

And yes, reminders will be sprinkled. But what about people who have never read the comic or seen the Snyder film? I'll be interested to see how they explain the significance of all that to the newcomers...
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kidsick5000 on July 21, 2019, 07:32:59 PM
Have they said which Watchmen this follows? The film or the comic? What was the disaster that ‘saved’ the world?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 21, 2019, 07:46:13 PM
I don't think they've said, but I would assume the comic.

Although they could gloss over it, I suppose, if they're careful about how they discuss the event, and people's views of Dr Manhattan.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on July 21, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
Just think, a whole new generation gets to say "Hur hur, you can totally see the blue dude's penis."
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mjwilson on July 21, 2019, 08:54:25 PM
Comic, there are squid mentions in the trailer.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Zetetic on July 21, 2019, 09:30:19 PM
"…set in an alternate history where masked vigilantes are treated as outlaws"

Um.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 21, 2019, 09:58:46 PM
I loved the Watchmen graphic novel - how absolutely devastated will I be by this?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 21, 2019, 10:08:58 PM
I loved the Watchmen graphic novel - how absolutely devastated will I be by this?

If you're willing to accept someone who isn't Moore doing a sequel, then probably not very. The showrunner is Damon Lindelof, whose work on The Leftovers - another adaptation from a book, albeit a prose novel - was exemplary. I didn't think a follow-up to Watchmen could have any value at all, but I'm seriously reassessing that now.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Dropshadow on July 21, 2019, 10:36:33 PM
If they don't bring Rorschach back from the dead, I'm not really interested. His bits in the film are my favourite. I could watch him beating the shite out of people all day.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on July 21, 2019, 10:40:11 PM
I didn't think a follow-up to Watchmen could have any value at all, but I'm seriously reassessing that now.

You could debate it endlessly. If you think that Moore’s work in general, or Watchmen in particular, is sacrosanct in some way and can or should never be extrapolated on by another, then you’re probably gonna hate this however good or bad bit turns out to be. But the thing about comics universes is they don’t belong to any one person. Moore himself worked with others’ material.

Or if you view Watchmen as a variant fictional world created to explore certain themes - power, responsibility, what have you - then you might feel it’s all done with and this doesn’t need to exist.

The counterpoint to that though is that the characters created, the world laid out, the situations portrayed and their likely ramifications, are arguably worth exploring. “Nothing is ever over” says Dr. Manhattan before he leaves. What happens if Rorschach’s journal is read and believed, by some or many? And what happens if it isn’t? Can Veidt’s brave new world truly thrive when it is built on a lie? He attempted to subvert and derail the antagonistic nature of humanity by fabricating an Outside Context Problem; but there’s a tide in the affairs of men, what happens when the aliens don’t come, or Dr. M. doesn’t return (depending on which version they’re basing it on)?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 22, 2019, 12:30:10 AM
I don't think Moore's work is sacrosanct and I don't think (as tacky as DC's Doomsday Clock is) that writing more Watchmen stories devalues the original at all. I just view Watchmen as being a self-contained story that set out to do certain things and did them, and that there isn't much to contribute to that story or world, or anywhere to take those characters that isn't basically pointless. The lady-or-the-tiger ending is deliberately ambiguous, so collapsing the waveform and saying that, yes, Rorschach's diary was published kind of misses the point a bit.

But what Lindelof is doing here - looking at that world 20 years on, and using it as an opportunity to explore problems that are prominent and relevant today, such as police violence, the growing extreme partisan divide in American politics etc - actually looks worthwhile.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 22, 2019, 04:14:15 AM
Just glanced through the Watchmen trailer to see how much worldbuilding is in there - pleased to note the electric cars are present. Also at 1:19 the poster in the background says that Robert Redford is currently president of the USA.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on July 22, 2019, 09:39:10 AM
If you're willing to accept someone who isn't Moore doing a sequel, then probably not very. The showrunner is Damon Lindelof, whose work on The Leftovers - another adaptation from a book, albeit a prose novel - was exemplary. I didn't think a follow-up to Watchmen could have any value at all, but I'm seriously reassessing that now.

Hmm, alrighty then!
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: chveik on July 22, 2019, 10:22:48 AM
still really looking forward to it. there seems to have a bit much action for my taste though.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Puce Moment on July 22, 2019, 12:32:40 PM
Yeah, does seem actiony but I always assumed that they would simply string the whole shit out for a number of seasons, or end the first season at the end of the last comic (like The Handmaid's Take, Big Little Lies, and of course The Leftovers etc). However, this does look like it extends out way beyond the comics. I will watch it - but then I get quite exhilerated by rampant infidelity in adaptations.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mothman on July 22, 2019, 05:57:55 PM
still really looking forward to it. there seems to have a bit much action for my taste though.

Well, it is a trailer...

(and, I wasn’t explicitly counterpointing anything Mr. 6 said, just using it as the jumping-off point hit my own nonsense ramblings...)
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: mjwilson on July 22, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
Just glanced through the Watchmen trailer to see how much worldbuilding is in there - pleased to note the electric cars are present. Also at 1:19 the poster in the background says that Robert Redford is currently president of the USA.

"American Hero Story" is my favourite.

Yeah, does seem actiony but I always assumed that they would simply string the whole shit out for a number of seasons, or end the first season at the end of the last comic (like The Handmaid's Take, Big Little Lies, and of course The Leftovers etc). However, this does look like it extends out way beyond the comics. I will watch it - but then I get quite exhilerated by rampant infidelity in adaptations.

I get the impression it's starting after the end of the comics.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 22, 2019, 07:54:25 PM
Yeah, looks like it's set in the present day (or some time in the last few years) but in the comic's universe. Which is about the best possible way to tackle it, I think.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kngen on July 23, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
The bloke at the start with the mask pulled half up audibly gulping beans from a can might be the oddest bit of fan service I've ever come across.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/beans1.jpg?w=927)

Unless all the Rorschach devotees eat like that in tribute to their hero (but how would they know?).

Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
Maybe they read the comic.
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: kngen on July 23, 2019, 10:29:08 PM
Maybe they read the comic.

So in the Watchmen world, the Watchmen is also a comic after the Watchmen comic ends?
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: Mister Six on July 23, 2019, 11:26:35 PM
Yes. And there's a HBO show that occurs concurrently with the events of the show. And, in real life, a camera spying on each viewer.

(Nah, I was just being whimsical.)
Title: Re: Who'll watch the Watchmen series?
Post by: phantom_power on July 24, 2019, 08:13:25 AM
That looks pretty great, and definitely more Leftovers Lindelof than Prometheus Lindelof.