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Title: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Swoz_MK on June 28, 2018, 09:21:29 AM
Panos Cosmatos who directed the fucking wonderful Beyond the Black Rainbow is BACK and has brought NIC CAGE with him. And some music that sounds a bit like SunnO)))

Trailer -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI054ow6KJk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI054ow6KJk)

Biker fellas look a bit like The Plague from Hobo With A Shotgun, which appeals.


(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjk1MjhmZWQtNzU3OC00NDE4LThlODQtNTdhZGM4M2E3MWZkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTMxODk2OTU@._V1_.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Gregory Torso on June 28, 2018, 12:07:37 PM
Beyond The Black Rainbow was super mega fantastic, black ichor bass chatter and sexy synth throb fantastic. Based on that poster I need to see this.

Nic Cage is a plus too, in my book.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Steven on June 28, 2018, 01:15:40 PM
Beyond The Black Rainbow was super mega fantastic, black ichor bass chatter and sexy synth throb fantastic. Based on that poster I need to see this.

I need to see it again but wasn't it pretty much coasting off of copying Kubrick's cinematography style/half-implied story which then turns into a shitty teen slasher film by the last third?
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Head Gardener on June 28, 2018, 01:16:52 PM
I'm in, on drugs too!
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Blumf on June 28, 2018, 01:45:05 PM
I'm intrigued. I loved Black Rainbow, but the slasher ending was a let down. This looks good (visually), but there's some ridiculous stuff in here - e.g. the chainsaw battle - that must need to be done with tongue-in-cheek and I don't know if Cosmatos can do that (Cage can, so maybe a good sign)
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Gregory Torso on June 28, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
I need to see it again but wasn't it pretty much coasting off of copying Kubrick's cinematography style/half-implied story which then turns into a shitty teen slasher film by the last third?

Quite possibly. It was very derivative but I still loved it, enjoyed it the same way I enjoy Matthew Barney’s Cremaster Cycle, beautiful to look at in abstract, not quite working in bits. I don’t know enough about films or art to recognise plagiarism or heavy influences. I just really liked it, and ting.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 28, 2018, 02:56:24 PM
I need to see it again but wasn't it pretty much coasting off of copying Kubrick's cinematography style/half-implied story which then turns into a shitty teen slasher film by the last third?

last eight I think.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 28, 2018, 02:57:25 PM
Quite possibly. It was very derivative but I still loved it, enjoyed it the same way I enjoy Matthew Barney’s Cremaster Cycle, beautiful to look at in abstract, not quite working in bits. I don’t know enough about films or art to recognise plagiarism or heavy influences. I just really liked it, and ting.

Derivative of films I haven't seen then. Loved the aesthetics of it.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Gregory Torso on June 28, 2018, 03:02:50 PM
Loved the aesthetics of it.

Yes, it was gorgeous and the soundtrack was amazing.

I don’t really remember the “shitty slasher” part of it? It’s been a year or so since I saw it.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 28, 2018, 03:17:29 PM
Yes, it was gorgeous and the soundtrack was amazing.

I don’t really remember the “shitty slasher” part of it? It’s been a year or so since I saw it.

it was just the last 10 minutes or so. Almost seemed like a theatre set.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Steven on June 28, 2018, 06:21:01 PM
it was just the last 10 minutes or so. Almost seemed like a theatre set.

As I said I need to watch it again, but it was quite jarring the shift in tone to shitty-80s-teen-slasher.. all that came before was heavily borrowing from Kubrick though, specifically 2001, segments of A Clockwork Orange and The Shining.

I sort of liked it but couldn't tell if Kubrickian-ness was giving a false sense of gravitas to something that was really of little substance, but then, some would argue that about Kubrick's own work.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Blumf on June 28, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
I think it's more that Cosmatos is homaging 70s and 80s films that themselves are in the shadow of Kubrick (think; Saturn 3, Phase IV, and, err, Jackson 5)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HEhD0SOWm1c/V1MbBdApCiI/AAAAAAAAz3k/TDl_1xMuMrUMmgW1Ww0WO7-C2MIK_o0iwCLcB/s640/79a27caf417a35bec92a3ae3e52.jpg)

(https://quadcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/phase-iv-1400x574.jpg)

Here's a short interview where he mentions Ridley Scott as an influence (which I'm sure will enamour some of you with him even less (I like Black Rain, good sound track))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD00HW9ipSU

Robocop for president!
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 28, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
As I said I need to watch it again, but it was quite jarring the shift in tone to shitty-80s-teen-slasher.. all that came before was heavily borrowing from Kubrick though, specifically 2001, segments of A Clockwork Orange and The Shining.

I sort of liked it but couldn't tell if Kubrickian-ness was giving a false sense of gravitas to something that was really of little substance, but then, some would argue that about Kubrick's own work.

3 films I haven't seen (fully). I've seen the beginning of 2001, the middle of Clockwork Orange and the ending of the shining.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Steven on June 28, 2018, 11:30:22 PM
I've seen the beginning of 2001, the middle of Clockwork Orange and the ending of the shining.

Alcoholic projectionist?

That might work as a film though. But yeah BTBL is very Kubrick but also other 70s stuff like THX1180, and prolly Tarkovsky.. but I've not seen any of his films yet only some of the cinematography.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Shaky on June 29, 2018, 02:26:48 AM
Black Rainbow looks and sounds amazing but I found it an incredible slog to get through. Lots of slow bits which just don't work, unlike those films Cosmatos is trying to emulate. Like, the parts are there but it couldn't quite figure out how to get them to move together.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on June 29, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
Black Rainbow looks and sounds amazing but I found it an incredible slog to get through. Lots of slow bits which just don't work, unlike those films Cosmatos is trying to emulate. Like, the parts are there but it couldn't quite figure out how to get them to move together.

It has the same pacing/vibe as Sun Choke albeit much more retro-cosmic.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Default to the negative on June 29, 2018, 05:29:51 PM
I still think it's funny that Black Rainbow has its villain die by tripping on own his shoelaces and bumping his head on a rock. (https://youtu.be/Yjh1IatRrPU?t=6256)

If you want proof that they had no idea how to end the film, then there it is.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Chriddof on June 30, 2018, 04:23:19 AM
That was basically what saved the movie for me. Like everyone else I was really let down by the slasher thing, and then that happened and I was fucking howling with laughter. The way the makers of Black Rainbow were ballsy / desperate enough to pretty much have a man tripping over as an ending genuinely delighted me.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: itsfredtitmus on June 30, 2018, 04:29:19 AM
music video movies
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Shaky on July 01, 2018, 03:10:56 AM
It has the same pacing/vibe as Sun Choke albeit much more retro-cosmic.

While the comparison doesn't exactly fill me with delight, I've been meaning to check out Sun Choke but had forgotten the name so thanks for that.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Bence Fekete on July 01, 2018, 04:18:06 AM
I was ASMR'd to sleep during Black Rainbow, very much like Neon Demon which was also sexy but cripplingly flat.  Perhaps Cage will add some gravitas and/or narrative to proceedings and early reviews seem to be very promising.  The trailer makes it look a bit more Dusk Til Dawn meets Evil Dead which can't be a bad thing either.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Swoz_MK on September 14, 2018, 11:29:00 AM
Out on VOD in the States today so keep a pirate-patched eye out
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Junglist on September 15, 2018, 12:41:13 AM
I absolutely loved every single insane fucking second of this.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 15, 2018, 02:58:10 AM
I absolutely loved every single insane fucking second of this.

YOUR AVATAR IS MAN FROM NOWHERE!!!
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Junglist on September 15, 2018, 02:21:03 PM
YOUR AVATAR IS MAN FROM NOWHERE!!!

It is the best film
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: kidsick5000 on September 15, 2018, 03:19:23 PM
It is the best film

For that, I shall call you "brother"
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: SteveDave on September 17, 2018, 10:07:44 AM
I made two notes whilst watching "Mandy"

The LSD bikers had a lot of takeaway cartons in their house (or the house of the people they'd killed). How did they order them? And what happened to the delivery people?

Cassettes don't make that slowing down noise that records do when you stop a tape machine.

I liked it overall though.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Absorb the anus burn on September 17, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
<Tag> I'm Mandy, Tie-Dye Me <Tag>
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Bazooka on September 19, 2018, 11:52:47 PM
I am not familiar with Panos Casmatos's other works, but watched it last night and felt very conflicted, I was semi compelled due to the overabundance of the visuals, Dario Argento style, but fucking christ if you are aiming for style over substance get the pacing right, the opening hour is a real slog.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Mass_Panic on September 21, 2018, 11:33:21 PM
It's like Evil Dead crossed with a Tarkovsky film. The first half is a slow burn, but very atmospheric - I didn't have a problem with it - it absolutely nails the atmosphere. Anyone interested in things like Hauntology should check it out because it will probably appeal.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Moribunderast on September 22, 2018, 12:22:18 AM
Saw this last night at a cinema screening - I think that atmosphere really elevated the film for me, whereas watching it at home I would've been entertained but slightly nonplussed. The cinema was roaring with laughter, rapturous applause for some of Cage's "acting" and all manner of levity. It almost felt like being at a screening of The Room or something. If somebody told me beforehand the crowd would be reacting to the whole thing like a giant meme I would have thought it to be interminable but it was actually very fun. The film itself I thought was very good at what it was setting out to do. The first half was a little slow but I think that served the giant fuck-off change in tone and atmosphere that came later.

Also, any film that opens with "Starless" is going to be a film I like.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 06, 2018, 09:58:17 PM
Half way through but popped in to say the opening King Crimson into woozy psychedelia (the shot of them on the lake) was the best opening I can think of in a film. Perfect Johansson score. Anyway, onto the next hour.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 06, 2018, 11:22:15 PM
Yep, fantastic although the second half didn't elevate the film, just took it to a deeper fantasy realm. Didn't know Johannsson was dead. Fucking great score.

oh, and Cheddar Goblin!
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 06, 2018, 11:24:27 PM
From Wallsend to Hell...good stuff from Riseborough.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: iamcoop on October 14, 2018, 10:39:15 PM
Well I thought this was absolutely fucking amazing. Just got out the showing now - absolutely buzzing.

I’ll try and describe why when I’ve slept on it. 
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: TrenterPercenter on October 21, 2018, 07:12:38 PM
Going to see this tonight with the other half!
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: amputeeporn on October 21, 2018, 10:19:04 PM
Really looking forward to seeing this with an old friend at an afternoon showing in London. Glad to get the chance to catch it on the big(gish) screen.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Mister Six on October 21, 2018, 11:17:49 PM
Watched it with the missus the other night, and we loved it. Despite some chatter on here, we thought the first hour shot by, aided by the stunning visuals. The cast were on top form, and Cage cracked us up with his manic staring/grinning at the end.

It's all style over substance, except I suppose the style is the substance. Love that it was seemingly inspired by 60s/70s prog rock/metal album covers rather than the current fad for 80s neon-retro.

Not quite sure why it was called Mandy, though. She was better fleshed out than many doomed women are in revenge films, but she did still just exist to serve the usual purpose, and the director's talk about her being the heart of the story or whatever seemed hollow.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: TrenterPercenter on October 23, 2018, 07:48:46 PM
Going to see this tonight with the other half!

Dunno.  Not for me and I usually like a bit of grindcore.  I liked the cinematography but otherwise largely shit as it didn't really have any coherence.

Great grinning at the end mind.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: TrenterPercenter on October 23, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Yep, fantastic although the second half didn't elevate the film, just took it to a deeper fantasy realm. Didn't know Johannsson was dead. Fucking great score.

oh, and Cheddar Goblin!

Yes that trippy guitar riff has been in my head for days.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: TrenterPercenter on October 24, 2018, 05:43:18 PM
So i just had to hear that trippy guitar track again (Mandy love theme) so i found it and listened to it just now.  All i could feel was an immense sense and physical feeling of how much he loved mandy, then the film clicked.

Fuck. That is art.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: iamcoop on October 27, 2018, 03:20:01 PM
I’m think I’m going to see this again tonight, it’s the last time they’re showing it at my local.

I know it’s so over the top to the point of absurdity but I found the scene where the bikers come and kidnap Mandy one of the most unsettling 5 minutes of cinema I’ve seen in ages. With all it’s strobe-y glory.

Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on October 27, 2018, 04:17:36 PM
I’m think I’m going to see this again tonight, it’s the last time they’re showing it at my local.

I know it’s so over the top to the point of absurdity but I found the scene where the bikers come and kidnap Mandy one of the most unsettling 5 minutes of cinema I’ve seen in ages. With all it’s strobe-y glory.

Tyneside?

There was a midnight showing of it in East Toronto last night but I couldn't be arsed having to try and get back to Hamilton at 2:30 in the morning. Would love to see it on the big screen sometime.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: iamcoop on October 27, 2018, 07:38:51 PM
Yeah.

It’s sold out unfortunately. Gutted. This film has really got inside my head and it would’ve been nice to have seen it one last time on the big screen.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Pinckle Wicker on November 01, 2018, 08:05:16 AM
Watched this last night. Wow!!! What a stunning and sublime film. I knew it was going somewhere but not till it did take the revenge turn. Brilliantly cast of mostly unknown actors (to me).Jeremiah was fantastic as a Koresh and Manson mixture.  I am still reeling from the whole psychotropic darkness of it all and still thinking about the imagery of the scenes, the wasp sting and Jeremiah’s music especially and failure to entice with his seduction. Even when it took the revenge turn I was still totally fixated. 

Not watched BTBR as yet but now I will aim to ASAP.

Fun fact- Jeremiah actor Linus Roche is none other than Ken Barlow’s son.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Bad Ambassador on November 01, 2018, 08:57:11 AM
It's out on DVD now.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on November 01, 2018, 12:07:25 PM


Fun fact- Jeremiah actor Linus Roche is none other than Ken Barlow’s son.

As Ken Barlow is a high druid, it makes sense.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Shameless Custard on November 27, 2018, 02:56:53 PM
A mental/metal film, and I like to think of it as Nic Cage's character from The Wicker Man remake's fever dream as he burns to death. His yell of "FIIIIRE!!!" has to be a cheeky wink back to that film

Cage is hilarious throughout, and it wouldn't be half the film without him. "You're a vicious snowflake"

Lovely music choices, the world looks amazing, and the revenge scenes pack a hefty, satisfying wallop

Would've loved to have seen this in a fun audience. They should add a live laughter track to the DVD
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on January 06, 2019, 12:35:03 AM
I was trawling the January/possible closing down sale at HMV and picked this up on blu ray for a scant £7.49 (even though it'll probably turn up on Netflix in a month or two). My brain is a little melted after my first viewing, so I'm not sure I can fully articulate my thoughts about it, but it's certainly not something I'm going to forget soon.

Speaking of Netflix, it reminded me a little of their recent horror effort, Apostle. The freaky bikers and the image of someone being hoist up in a sack had similar counterparts in Apostle. Just an odd coincidence, I suppose and I think this was overall the better film.

It probably goes without saying that the imagery and soundtrack are very striking. The synth bits on the score make me wonder why in the hell Johannsson's work on Blade Runner 2049 was scrapped in favour of Hans Zimmer's blaring nonsense.

Not quite sure why it was called Mandy, though. She was better fleshed out than many doomed women are in revenge films, but she did still just exist to serve the usual purpose, and the director's talk about her being the heart of the story or whatever seemed hollow.
Yeah. At the risk of sounding like a (vicious) snowflake I was disappointed to see her ultimately reduced to little more than a plot device. In such an horrific way, as well. Despite (or maybe bacause of) the brutality of Cage's revenge, the film still manages to seem flippant. I was hoping that the murder would turn out to be a ruse and that he would find her in the church, still alive and resisting Jeremiah's attempts to brainwash her.

I'd seen the trailer, so I know it was the type of film to include chainsaw duels. I feel like the first half hints at a more interesting direction that it could have gone in, though, rather than devolve into a series of loosely connected fight scenes. Perhaps there is some argument to be made for the film being kind of timely, in the #metoo era. Jeremiah could be a stand in for any number of Hollywood scumbags, who destroy any woman that rejects their sexual advances. I'm not sure if that would make Mandy's fate artistically justified though.

Also, Brother Swan reminded me of Pablo Myers, from Check It Out! with Dr. Steve Brule.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: ASFTSN on January 15, 2019, 07:56:22 AM
Watched this yesterday. Complete flimsy nonsense bullshit, but that hasn't yet stopped me enjoying a film. Quite liked it.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Cuntbeaks on January 15, 2019, 11:08:01 PM
Eventually watched this at the weekend. A film of two halves, which has already been pointed out. The first half was very 'Black Rainbow', dripping with lysergic abandon. The initial scene with them on the bed together was excellent, very low key, yet wonderfully hallucinogenic.

When the slasher/revenge plot kicked in I kinda lost interest to be honest. Overall a decent film, one which would have been superb on the big screen.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: alan nagsworth on February 27, 2019, 03:48:21 PM
I watched this last night and honestly I thought it was a very bad film. I'm going to loosely compare it to Kung Fury in the category of "style over substance", which I didn't think could be hammered into the dirt any more than KF already has done, but wow, Mandy really sweeps it, eh.

For those of you who say the first hour is a slog, I'm keen to know exactly how you found the following hour in any way rewarding or satisfying, considering the plot is so utterly banal it's impossible to be invested in anything that happens, and the violent rampage that follows is so totally lackluster and underwhelming.

Okay, so I get it, the film is supposed to be OTT. The dialogue is supposed to be extremely drawn out and cheesy. The performances are possibly intended to be hammy. You're meant to watch this with a tongue in cheek but also be blown away by the intense atmospherics and, later, the brutal vengeance. Well, the soundtrack was great but the "Argento turned up to 11" visual aspect was largely a flop because there was nothing unsettling, endearing or in any way remotely engaging about anything happening beyond that. The characters and their dialogue were all complete wall-to-wall crap. How am I meant to applaud our hero's eventual and tediously inevitable triumph when I don't even remotely care about his plight (despite it being the wonderful Nicolas Cage for fuck's sake) and the path of destruction he plows through is so sorely lacking in imagination?

There are so many modern films that rely strongly on aesthetic value to carry a shit plot and the overall payoff for me has been complete disappointment. You're Next, Kung Fury, and most recently, The Night Comes For Us. I have no idea what people see in these films. Whether they're trying to be the next Brain Dead or the next Oldboy or they're trying to move from those in a new direction, in my opinion they all fail, and it's really quite disheartening to be let down by these films over and over again.

Cheddar Goblin was legit the only great thing about Mandy.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: PlanktonSideburns on February 27, 2019, 05:06:15 PM


Cheddar Goblin was legit the only great thing about Mandy.

Richard Herring is in this?
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: TwinPeaks on February 27, 2019, 10:15:32 PM
I'm just glad it gave us this beautiful track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilaRNAPSUKc4

The synth bits on the score make me wonder why in the hell Johannsson's work on Blade Runner 2049 was scrapped in favour of Hans Zimmer's blaring nonsense.

Really hope we get to hear that score one day.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: DukeDeMondo on February 27, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
I haven't seen this since whenever it was, October or whenever, so my memory is a bit hazy, but I remember being pretty underwhelmed too. Not as underwhelmed as Nags was up above there, but underwhelmed nonetheless. There were things about it that I found pretty engaging - I'd been reading a lot of Matilda Joslyn Gage's writings on witch trials and the like at the time, Woman, Church and State and things like this, and I did find it fairly interesting how the villains of the piece were a bunch of deranged Christians pursuing a woman very much in tune with the Earth about her and whose body was literally marked with a pentagram from the off, and some of the SPOILERY stuff that later went on obviously chimed with that too -  and some passages were undoubtedly compelling in a woozy sort of way and there was the very occasional image that I found to be quite breathtaking, even if most of those were in the trailer.

But generally I felt short changed. All I had heard about it was how formally daring it was, how visually innovative it was, how unlike anything else, how unique and unpredictable, and it just isn't. It has its moments of razzling and dazzling, but they're short lived. A lot of the time it's pretty bog standard shot-reverse-shot stuff that just so happens to have a red filter slapped on top. I'd go so far as to say it's visually boring for much of the running time. Compositions that were entirely unremarkable save for the fact that they were sometimes held for longer than expected or slowed to a crawl, and again, that they made judicious use of whatever filters were at their disposal.

I mean, I think it's fine, I enjoyed it, but it's nothing like the technical feat some claim it to be.   
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on February 28, 2019, 12:45:48 AM
I'm just glad it gave us this beautiful track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilaRNAPSUKc4



You're not wrong. Sad he is dead now, though. There are probably others making breathtaking soundtracks and not the shit "big names" that win oscars all the time. Any recommendations? Boom Bip's Sun Choke soundtrack comes to mind.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: zomgmouse on February 28, 2019, 01:01:31 AM
Pros: it's just Nicolas Cage going full metal against a bunch of tough dudes

Cons: it's just Nicolas Cage going full metal against a bunch of tough dudes
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: phantom_power on February 28, 2019, 08:55:01 AM
You're not wrong. Sad he is dead now, though. There are probably others making breathtaking soundtracks and not the shit "big names" that win oscars all the time. Any recommendations? Boom Bip's Sun Choke soundtrack comes to mind.

I think some of Jonny Greenwood's stuff falls into both those categories
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: Howj Begg on February 28, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
This film is an absolute atrocity, a travesty, and unfortunately a classic.

It made me feel more sick than almost anything else after Salo or Bula Quo. It oozes queasy evil. There's that one scene with the brief "trip", but basically the rest of it feels like a cocktail of mismatched downers and stimulants. It's the colour haze, yeah, but also the way the action is slowed down, the submerged audio, the almost senseless long takes on people staring at something.

I can't say that it's good this thing exists. But I can't deny it was effective.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: iamcoop on February 28, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
This film is an absolute atrocity, a travesty, and unfortunately a classic.

It made me feel more sick than almost anything else after Salo or Bula Quo. It oozes queasy evil. There's that one scene with the brief "trip", but basically the rest of it feels like a cocktail of mismatched downers and stimulants. It's the colour haze, yeah, but also the way the action is slowed down, the submerged audio, the almost senseless long takes on people staring at something.

I can't say that it's good this thing exists. But I can't deny it was effective.

I had a similar reaction as you. I found it almost overwhelming at times. And despite how fucking mad it is it I found it had an odd pervasive sense of gloom around it. It’s one of the few films I’ve seen recently that I find oddly difficult to articulate exactly how it made me feel. (Not that I’m particularly great at that anyway).

I saw it in the cinema with a small yet enthusiastic audience who I assume knew as little about it going in as I did and I’d imagine this definitely added to the overall effect. I found it hard to get out of my mind for the next few days and I almost never get that watching films these days. I totally sympathise with the people that found it disappointing though. My other half didn’t enjoy it at all and stuff like Mandy is usually right up her street.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: BlodwynPig on March 01, 2019, 01:32:00 AM
I think it's better to watch it when you're not steeped in modern film-i-verse, such as superhero franchises etc. Not saying that applies to people here, but I rarely see films now, so this was a real gem of an experience, not tainted by expectation.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: alan nagsworth on March 01, 2019, 06:32:44 PM
My friend told me yesterday this film was the most accurate onscreen representation of an acid trip he's ever seen. It's as if he wanted me to somehow hate the thing even more than I already do.
Title: Re: Mandy (2018, FFO Beyond the Black Rainbow)
Post by: greenman on March 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Pros: it's just Nicolas Cage going full metal against a bunch of tough dudes

Cons: it's just Nicolas Cage going full metal against a bunch of tough dudes

Although judging it just as a revenge film I'd say a weakness was that only the S&M bikers really presented much of a physical threat, the actual cultists were all pretty weedy.

My expectations were tempered enough that I ended up enjoying it a good deal although hopefully Cage's film with Sion Sono latter this year will be more genuinely out there.