Cook'd and Bomb'd

Forums => Technology => Topic started by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 12:21:58 PM

Title: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 12:21:58 PM
Yes, another one of these threads.

It's new phone time, and I've been looking at these Virgin deals (https://www.virginmedia.com/mobile/pay-monthly/sony/xperia-xz2-PS4-bundle/?contractDuration=24&tariffID=374810875). A Sony XZ2 with a PS4 and 15 gigs of data for £42 a month would probably be my sweet spot.

However, I've had a Sony phone before and it was dogshit. A huge slab of dogshit that was buggy from the start, which I had to send back because the drag down menu didn't work, and then I dropped it 2cm onto a bed of petals and angel's breath and it shattered into a million pieces.

Anybody got the XZ2? I had a look at one in a shop the other day and it does look a lot better, but still bulky and with a stupid curved back. Why would I want a curved back. Isn't it going to slide around everywhere and get right on my tits?

The phone I actually think I want is the Nokia 8, which is less than half the price and just feels nice to hold, probably does everything I want it to, and comes with zero bloatware. Opinions pls I need free PS4 thx.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 24, 2018, 12:27:29 PM
Buy a Honor or a Xiaomi or even a Oneplus or Oppo yourself and get on giffgaff and you'll save a fortune versus a contract, which would be useful PS4 money plus also freedom - there's a reason they have to bribe you

Sony phones are alreet but I like all the above brands due to the near-stock Android experience or root-friendly stuff if you're gonna put custom ROMs on like I do. I gypped off Sony for Oneplus mind and never looked back.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 12:29:52 PM
I did the giffgaff thing a few years ago and the reception was terrible. I travelled around a lot at the time and it was impressively consistent in being shit everywhere. Has it got better?
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 24, 2018, 12:33:08 PM
Isn't it just o2's network?

It has gotten better over the past couple years for me, but it weren't bad in the first place. Might be worth having a go on:

https://www.giffgaff.com/coverage-and-service

GSMArena is the top dog phone site btw, lets you compare models, has spinny 3D views of phones, and you can read comments off fanboy idiots and that!
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 12:37:05 PM
Well, yeah that's what I thought, but I was on O2 and it was fine, switched to giffgaff and it was shit. It was a while ago now, 2011 I think.

Thanks for the tip on GSMArena, will check it out.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 24, 2018, 01:12:10 PM
It's not like giffgaff are the only sim-only provider, there's dozens. Some are a little bit cheaper depending on which data package you go for. They don't all piggyback on the same network I don't think.

Buy a phone outright if you can afford it and get on a sim only.

Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: gabrielconroy on October 24, 2018, 01:16:22 PM
I bought a Nokia 6.1 outright about 6 months ago and it's pretty ace. There was a slight issue at the start where it would constantly just turn itself off but Vodafone finally rolled out the Android update that fixed it and now it's right as rain.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: surreal on October 24, 2018, 01:18:49 PM
I got a Nokia 8 when the price dropped from £500+ to about £350, no regrets, lovely bit of kit.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Endicott on October 24, 2018, 01:31:40 PM
I replaced my 8 year old HTC Desire last month. It was a shame to see the back of it, but on the other hand it had become worse than useless. I don't like big phones and it was quite a surprise to find that there are hardly any small ones available anymore. As usual I am outside the current fashion loop. I got a second hand Sony Xperia Z1 Compact for 95 quid, replaced the battery and rear panel for another 25 quid, now it looks and behaves as if it was brand new. £10 per month SIM only contract (only 2GB data but that's more than I use anyway). I'm quite pleased with this.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on October 24, 2018, 01:38:23 PM
Nokia 7+ here, fucking lovely bit of phone. Can't go wrong with the recent Nokias.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: chveik on October 24, 2018, 01:47:46 PM
(https://image.darty.com/gps_communication/telephone_mobile/telephone_portable/wiko_lubi_4_noir_rose_t1510204173848A_180625021.jpg)

That's the one.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 01:57:28 PM
How's the camera on those Nokias?
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: The Boston Crab on October 24, 2018, 01:57:42 PM
I got the Samsung S9 and I've subsequently become what my nan described as 'a fanny magnet'. Pretty offensive these days I said but the sentiment was very accurate.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on October 24, 2018, 02:02:53 PM
How's the camera on those Nokias?
I don't really know much (anything) about cameras but the one on the 7 Plus seems to be really good. Here's a picture of a bird I took (https://imgur.com/2PpgbNp). The Nokia camera app is pretty good but I think some people have had more success by installing the Google Pixel one.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 02:16:39 PM
THEN IT IS DECIDED.

Think I'll pick up a 7 Plus, this seems a good deal? (https://www.tobydeals.co.uk/en_GB/product/nokia-7-plus-4gb-64gb-dual-sim-sim-free-unlocked-black-1.html)

Looks like you'll have to organise a whip round for the PS4 lads.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on October 24, 2018, 02:29:22 PM
Yeah that's good, I paid £350 for mine back in May. No doubt there will be some new better version of it along shortly but that's always the case.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: mojo filters on October 24, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
I just go with the cheapest Samsung Android model every year or so, free on a circa £20 monthly plan. I'm sure the better models work a bit more slickly and effectively, but I still find mine perfectly serviceable and effectively replacing my need for a decent laptop and up to date tablet, in an impressive number of ways.

I'm not bothered about the cameras, if I can see the occasional photo I take - that'll do me. Each phone has lasted long enough to wear out the battery before breaking. I'm sure an iPhone is far better built, but I just don't see enough cost/benefit to justify the expense - plus I much prefer the extra 2 navigation buttons for getting around the device quickly.

Admittedly I've not really explored the Android alternatives, even though they seem to get better reviews than the equivalent Samsung models. I find the change in GUI with each new Samsung hard enough to get used to, but at least it seems reasonably consistently familiar.

I can see the attraction of the more intuitive interface on an iPhone, for the technically challenged folks like my mother - who certainly gets her value for money via regular visits to the Apple store for free help and support with the most minor of issues!

What perplexes me is nosey friends and colleagues who see my Android and ask why I haven't got an iPhone?! Those folks seem to assume the Android system is inherently not as good, though normally when I enquire I find they've not actually tried to use one.

Whatever the OP decides on, I hope it works out well. I have no interest in poking my nose into other folks phone business!
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: olliebean on October 24, 2018, 03:22:14 PM
What perplexes me is nosey friends and colleagues who see my Android and ask why I haven't got an iPhone?! Those folks seem to assume the Android system is inherently not as good, though normally when I enquire I find they've not actually tried to use one.

Anyone asking why I haven't got an iPhone is too rich to be my friend.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 24, 2018, 03:31:04 PM
Every iphone user who says "i hate android phones" has generally used them for about five minutes and found that some things aren't precisely the same.

Enjoy your iphone, I'll enjoy my having £700 more quid and not being a thick fuck
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Josef K on October 24, 2018, 04:21:20 PM
I've got a Pixel 2 and love it. The camera is astounding. I often take photos on an SLR for work and the phone photos always come out looking better. The upcoming Night Sight feature for all Pixels is an amazing technical feat
https://www.gsmarena.com/heres_what_pixel_3___3_xls_night_sight_camera_mode_can_do-news-33881.php
 (https://www.gsmarena.com/heres_what_pixel_3___3_xls_night_sight_camera_mode_can_do-news-33881.php)
If you can, I'd definitely recommend buying a phone outright and going SIM only, saves a lot if you're keeping the phone for 2+ years.

ID Mobile seem to do the cheapest SIM only deals. £8 a month for 3GB 4G, unlimited texts and calls works well for me since I'm on work or home wifi 90% of the time anyway.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 24, 2018, 04:36:03 PM
Wow, yes those night sight photos are amazing. Photos are a big deal to me as I have a child which is interesting as fuck to literally everybody and I have to document his every breath so I can get those sweet perfunctory thumbs on social media. Night sight is good but are there any modes that can filter him to be slightly less fat and annoying looking? Also good for selfies.

I've never owned an iPhone, but to be honest I bought an iPad for music stuff and it so ridiculously blows away every other tablet I've ever owned that I can definitely see the appeal. Just, fuck paying that much.

Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 24, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
The Google pixel software has been modded or whatever so you can get downloads online and it will run on other android phones. It won't improve the quality of the lens but the software alone is shit hot and makes a big difference to my images.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on October 24, 2018, 07:26:11 PM
I'm with Giffgaff and haven't had any issues with them, but I am based in London so you'd expect the coverage to be good. And I got an Iphone recently which I love, but a friend gave me his old one for free so I get to be truly smug about it.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: kenneth trousers on October 24, 2018, 08:47:08 PM
I got a Pixel 2 xl in September for £70 down and £31 a month, for 20gb of data and unlimited minutes. I've had sim only deals for the last 6 years but  a similar sim only would be at least £18 alone.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Dex Sawash on October 25, 2018, 03:47:36 AM
Dropped my galaxy7 in the toilet at work today while having a wee. Kind of weird having to continue pissing on your phone. Gave it a rinse and it's still going. Always wondered what IP68 stood for.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Z on October 25, 2018, 06:52:05 AM
SIM free 32gb iPhone SE will cost you about 110 on eBay. For that you get some extremely well designed hardware, a pretty good camera, great battery life and one of the last reasonably sized phones


Cookd and bombd will be even less usable than on larger phones though
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: canadagoose on October 25, 2018, 09:56:43 AM
Virgin Mobile has some pretty good SIM only deals if you're looking for one.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Replies From View on October 25, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Don’t forget that a PS4 needs a ram pack that you’ll need to pay for separately.  Then factor in the cost of the games and that cheeky console isn’t as “free” as you first assumed!!
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Mister Six on October 26, 2018, 07:09:02 AM
The Google Pixel 2 is fucking rad. I don't know how it compares to what you're looking at at the minute but I wanted to throw that out there. The camera is fantastic and it runs all the main apps and games. What more do you want?
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Replies From View on October 26, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
(https://www.mobilephonehistory.co.uk/nokia/nokia_101.gif)

+

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/5gIAAOSw3BNa5i17/$_86.JPG)
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 26, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
S9 here.  I got it effectively for nowt as it was such a good deal with a 30GB contract vs. going SIM-only.

It's not the best though.  I actually quite like the Samsung "skin" these days, I think it adds to Android, but unfortunately you also get lag if you don't  reboot once a week (how quaint) and the battery life is crap. 

OnePlus 3T was the best Android phone I ever had.  Would have another OnePlus if they hadn't succumbed to Notch Disease (I hate it, and I hate this mindset they all have of "Apple did it so it must be good").   As things stand, I'm probably on course for upgrading to a Note 10 next year as that should be enough "oomph" in the hardware department to get past the lag and battery life issues.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Jittlebags on October 26, 2018, 02:42:21 PM
Have Pixel 2 XL. Very smooth. Pixel 3 out imminently.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: AsparagusTrevor on October 26, 2018, 02:44:26 PM
I own a Pixel 2 XL also, love it. It's the first phone I've had in a while which truly feels 'smart', as in well thought out and actually useful beyond regular phone functions.

With the imminent release of the 3, the 2s will likely drop in price.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 26, 2018, 04:00:48 PM
Got me Nokia 7 Plus, ended up paying 350 notes for it in the end just not to have to deal with our friends in Hong Kong. Seems lovely. They were trying to flog me other maybe better handsets in the shop and I felt like a fanny saying "I just love this chassis", but I just love this chassis.

Looking forward to getting off my £75 a month contact in a couple of weeks (yeah, I know).
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Depressed Beyond Tables on October 26, 2018, 06:10:41 PM
Save yourself time and money and just get a bloody Moto G. Super phones.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cuellar on October 26, 2018, 06:49:27 PM
Yeah moto gs are the tits to be fair.

My partner got one for about 200 and I got a Huawei p20 for about 350 and honestly there's barely any difference.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: greencalx on October 26, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
I'm with Giffgaff and haven't had any issues with them, but I am based in London so you'd expect the coverage to be good.

Another giffgaffer here.

People who live in London tend to describe it as the only place they know where they can get obscure thing X at 3 in the morning. That may well be true, but, relevantly to this thread, London is the only place where I struggle to get a stable 4G connection (maybe O2 customers get first dibs?). Or a pint after 11pm.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: a duncandisorderly on October 26, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Every iphone user who says "i hate android phones" has generally used them for about five minutes and found that some things aren't precisely the same.

Enjoy your iphone, I'll enjoy my having £700 more quid and not being a thick fuck

everyone's got their own opinions, just like they've got their own arseholes. there's no need to tar all of us as thick fucks or fanboys or whatever just because we prefer one sort of hardware/ecosystem over another.

my first 'smartphone' was a nokia, back in 2000. it was shit, but I could use it as a modem for my laptop. later I tried a windows phone. it was shit, but I could just about use it as a modem for my laptop. I went back to using ordinary phones that couldn't even take pictures until the dell 'streak' came out in 2009-10. this was running android 1.6 when I got it, & while it was great for browsing, watching telly, taking pics & stuff, it was a shit phone, & actually cost me work on more than one occasion. I actually liked the thing, but it was flakey as fuck.

a year into this contract, I binned it & bought an iphone 4. immediately, I was able to use about 90% of the apps I had on my ipad- lots of music stuff, but many other things too. I JB'd it so that I could alter the fonts & alert sounds (this is much harder these days).
 
I've had other android stuff- four tablets & another phone, all of which were catastrophically unreliable, refusing to charge off anything but their own special wall-wart, always seeming to need updates, & without the extensive & vetted ecosystem of the iOS stuff. getting files on & off them, either with mac or windows, is a proper arse-ache.

so I'm sim-only on a refurbed 5s, & perfectly happy with it. I've had it apart & changed the battery. including that, it cost me £250, & works fine with image-capture & itunes on seven different macs I use.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on October 26, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
Another giffgaffer here.

People who live in London tend to describe it as the only place they know where they can get obscure thing X at 3 in the morning. That may well be true, but, relevantly to this thread, London is the only place where I struggle to get a stable 4G connection (maybe O2 customers get first dibs?). Or a pint after 11pm.

Hard to tell which sim-only deal I should go for as according to trustpilot they're all worse than Hitler, but giffgaff being flakey in London still sets off alarm bells. Anybody on Virgin?
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: olliebean on October 26, 2018, 08:51:11 PM
Just because you've only had shit Android phones and tablets, doesn't mean all Android phones and tablets are shit.

What's the problem with getting files off them? You plug it in via USB, you select the notification to enable file sharing, you open it on your computer like a USB disk. iPhones are more of an arse-ache, you can't get anything off them without installing bloody iTunes.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Dr Rock on October 26, 2018, 09:42:27 PM
My two year contract with ee for a Samsung S6 is coming to an end and I've been offered to upgrade. Although the phone's charging point has broken so I have to use a charging pad, other than that I'm not excited about an upgrade but I am interested in just keeping the phone and changing to one of these Sim only £10 a month sounding things (currently stuck with the £35 a month plan I soon regretted not thinking through). I was seduced the hot phone sales lady. I have no idea how much data I use, I mostly use it for free calls on Wassap and some other calls which come with my unlimited plan. Are there any Sim only deals where you get unlimited calls? i've gone over my limit when I had them in the past quite easily by chatting to someone for four hours.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: canadagoose on October 26, 2018, 10:12:21 PM
Hard to tell which sim-only deal I should go for as according to trustpilot they're all worse than Hitler, but giffgaff being flakey in London still sets off alarm bells. Anybody on Virgin?
I've been with them since February, on a 40GB SIM-only plan for £18 a month. (Dr Rock may be interested to know that it's got unlimited calls!) It works perfectly well for me; it uses EE's network, but you don't get access to their 800MHz layer so don't go expecting to be able to use data in old stone-walled pubs in the middle of nowhere. It's absolutely fine in the central belt of Scotland and the Borders, though. Probably the best 4G coverage of all the networks, good speeds, and your unused data rolls over to the next month if you haven't used it. I swear I don't work for them. To balance it out, Virgin Media's cable broadband service can stick their outages up their backside.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: greencalx on October 26, 2018, 10:22:43 PM
Hard to tell which sim-only deal I should go for as according to trustpilot they're all worse than Hitler, but giffgaff being flakey in London still sets off alarm bells. Anybody on Virgin?

I’m only an occasional visitor to London, and it may be specific to the region I tend to visit so I would put more store on what people who actually live there have to say.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 26, 2018, 10:55:58 PM
S9 here.  I got it effectively for nowt as it was such a good deal with a 30GB contract vs. going SIM-only.

It's not the best though.  I actually quite like the Samsung "skin" these days, I think it adds to Android, but unfortunately you also get lag if you don't  reboot once a week (how quaint) and the battery life is crap. 

OnePlus 3T was the best Android phone I ever had.  Would have another OnePlus if they hadn't succumbed to Notch Disease (I hate it, and I hate this mindset they all have of "Apple did it so it must be good").   As things stand, I'm probably on course for upgrading to a Note 10 next year as that should be enough "oomph" in the hardware department to get past the lag and battery life issues

I've got the Oneplus five and it's ace. Fast charging and lasts two days and has no notch and it has headphone socket
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: a duncandisorderly on October 27, 2018, 01:00:16 AM
Just because you've only had shit Android phones and tablets, doesn't mean all Android phones and tablets are shit.

What's the problem with getting files off them? You plug it in via USB, you select the notification to enable file sharing, you open it on your computer like a USB disk. iPhones are more of an arse-ache, you can't get anything off them without installing bloody iTunes.

you're kind of making my point for me... I never said they were all shit. I said I'd had issues with them. other people get along fine with them.
I prefer the iOS ecosystem, because there are more music apps & so on, & because the apps are properly ratified for the devices.

& if you really can't tame itunes & make it work for you, there are plenty of other ways to get things in & out of iOS devices.

there are other places where you can thrash this out, air your disparagements & wave your dicks if you want.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 27, 2018, 01:15:45 PM
If you can't use Nova launcher there's something wrong and it isn't with the blower
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on October 27, 2018, 09:54:25 PM
I can both recommend and urge to steer clear from Huaweis - brilliant phones, but the battery fucking sucks.  Two charges a day if I've made or received a few calls.  Doing my fucking nut in.

Admittedly I've been used to BlackBerrys and old style Nokias which survive on one charge a week, but even compared with other cheap Android phones it's appalling.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on October 28, 2018, 02:26:42 AM
iPhone 6s. Had it 2+ years, still going strong. Got it free on my contract and not looking to change it any time soon.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: gmoney on October 28, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
I can both recommend and urge to steer clear from Huaweis - brilliant phones, but the battery fucking sucks.  Two charges a day if I've made or received a few calls.  Doing my fucking nut in.

Admittedly I've been used to BlackBerrys and old style Nokias which survive on one charge a week, but even compared with other cheap Android phones it's appalling.

I've got a Honor 9 which I believe is made by Huawei and the battery is great. I very rarely have to charge it during the day, and I use it a good amount.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: seepage on October 28, 2018, 12:02:17 PM
very happy with my LG G6, but then again it's my first smartphone so waddoIknow?
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 28, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
Went down the Samsung path but would be perfectly happy with the Huawei 'ecosystem'.  The phones seem great, I have their noise cancelling USB-C-powered earbuds which are magic, and their smartwatch is also very good.   They even have a pretty decent health app.  To integrate it all would be a pretty decent experience I think.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on October 29, 2018, 12:28:52 PM
Went down the Samsung path but would be perfectly happy with the Huawei 'ecosystem'.  The phones seem great, I have their noise cancelling USB-C-powered earbuds which are magic, and their smartwatch is also very good.   They even have a pretty decent health app.  To integrate it all would be a pretty decent experience I think.

I have a P8 light (let's say RRP brand new £150, although I know you can get it new for £110) and compared it with my mate's £700 iPhone (6 or 7, I can't remember) and, ignoring the battery life (not that his iPhone was much better, mind) we basically confirmed that he'd massively wasted his money - about the only thing his iPhone was the clear winner on was the quality of pictures and video from the camera, but even the ones from the P8 were absolutely fine for everyday use. 

I really don't get what people see in Apple products, but then I've never liked anything they've done so I am admittedly biased against them.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 29, 2018, 08:33:26 PM
Oneplus 6T looks shite value for the money. I got the first Oneplus then the 3 and the 5 but think this will break my loyalty.

- Not waterproof
- No headphone socket
- No SD card
- No Wireless charging
- Notch (albeit a nice teardrop one)


Now,  some of those I live with already, but it seems to be falling behind still leaving these out. REALLY can't stand the idea of bluetooth headphones - especially if it's not in aid of waterproofing?

GSMArena's review seems to confirm my fears

https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_6t-review-1843p7.php

Quote
the heyday of OnePlus as the underdog disrupting the market and growing big on viral marketing seems to be officially over now. Frankly, this comes as no surprise, since the earlier model was inherently unsustainable and we have been observing the slow transition to a more mature market presence for a few generations now. It took the arrival of the OnePlus 6T, however, to officially finalize the transition in our mind.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 29, 2018, 10:24:06 PM
I have a P8 light (let's say RRP brand new £150, although I know you can get it new for £110) and compared it with my mate's £700 iPhone (6 or 7, I can't remember) and, ignoring the battery life (not that his iPhone was much better, mind) we basically confirmed that he'd massively wasted his money - about the only thing his iPhone was the clear winner on was the quality of pictures and video from the camera, but even the ones from the P8 were absolutely fine for everyday use. 

I really don't get what people see in Apple products, but then I've never liked anything they've done so I am admittedly biased against them.

Part of it is historical. Apple  used to make really good, solid, dependable products.  Not the case any more (typing this from my MacBook  Pro 2017 which  now inserts double spaces randomly because the keyboard has been ruined with a spec of dust) and I won't be buying their shit again.  But they used to and people remember that.

Also with iPhones,  I've had them a few times and the attraction is the same reason NOT to like them: the restrictions.  Because they're heavily restricted and apps can't run in the background etc you don't get the random lag and battery  drain issues caused by third party software on Android, so you  know you're always consistently going to get an instant response from the device and your  battery life will always be about the same.  It's the one thing I hate about Android.  On an iPhone when you get random battery drain...  well you just don't.   On Android it's "oh, well you're supposed to not install any third party software really, because a lot of it sucks, and really you should turn off all the features as well, and maybe try the cache partition wipe placebo".  A few times now I've missed photo moments with Android because it's decided to go on a lagfest and take too long to open the camera.

iPhones also  have masses of oomph  and good memory management - I could multitask with Pokemon Go, Ingress, Messenger etc on the iPhone  8+ when I had it, without it breaking a sweat.   On the S9 it's constantly kicking them out of memory and slowing to a crawl.

But the downside is they're Apple shit.  So horrendously expensive, appalling design decisions, force you to use their apps as default apps, and a speck of fucking dust can ruin your £1750 laptop.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: olliebean on October 29, 2018, 10:36:50 PM
On an iPhone when you get random battery drain...  well you just don't.

Pretty much every time they release a new version of iOS, the internet is flooded with reports of excessive battery drain.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 29, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Pretty much every time they release a new version of iOS, the internet is flooded with reports of excessive battery drain.

This  is a couple of things - 1) OS  upgrades mean it spends time doing whatever it does for the first day or two (reindexing  or whatever) and it settles soon enough and 2) OS upgrade effect in general and people imagining stuff.  The internet is also usually flooded with reports of better battery  life.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 30, 2018, 10:14:18 AM

Also with iPhones,  I've had them a few times and the attraction is the same reason NOT to like them: the restrictions.  Because they're heavily restricted and apps can't run in the background etc you don't get the random lag and battery  drain issues caused by third party software on Android, so you  know you're always consistently going to get an instant response from the device and your  battery life will always be about the same.  It's the one thing I hate about Android.

I know full well most people aren't going to root their phones, and even an app you don't need root for like Greenify is "too much" for some, but the counterpoint to all this, the plus of Android, is I can control and address what I want to control and address, including these and other strengths of the iPhone. Where I couldn't change that if I tried.

It does sound like that's the android of a few years ago.... but I'll cop to being well into custom ROMs and monitoring what services run so I might be a bit out of touch with the vanilla experience.

I think some of the big names are fucking terrible for exacerbating problems this though - Samsung for example. Entire layers of bloat, my Samsung tablet phones home constantly until I basically crippled those worthless functions. Christ, what is it with Android and the chance to mark your own stamp on it? It is almost always a layer added for the worse.

Apple in that sense have congruity. And I suspect, well, I know full well, for many - that's enough. Aye you're right, the pluses to some are negatives to others.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: MojoJojo on October 30, 2018, 10:22:38 AM
Also with iPhones,  I've had them a few times and the attraction is the same reason NOT to like them: the restrictions.  Because they're heavily restricted and apps can't run in the background etc you don't get the random lag and battery  drain issues caused by third party software on Android, so you  know you're always consistently going to get an instant response from the device and your  battery life will always be about the same.  It's the one thing I hate about Android.  On an iPhone when you get random battery drain...  well you just don't.   On Android it's "oh, well you're supposed to not install any third party software really, because a lot of it sucks, and really you should turn off all the features as well, and maybe try the cache partition wipe placebo".  A few times now I've missed photo moments with Android because it's decided to go on a lagfest and take too long to open the camera.

I know I can't argue against personal experience, and I would have agreed with you about five years ago, but I really don't have this problem with android anymore - I believe google have tightened things up, consumers have left punishing reviews for shitty app behaviour, and developers have learnt how to write apps properly. End result is I don't have apps randomly killing my battery anymore.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 30, 2018, 10:24:18 AM
Yeah that's the perfectly fair counterargument in Android's favour.  It's down to the individual and how much tinkering they want to do or have time for.

I quite like what Samsung added in their current 'skin'.  Things like how it Googles incoming caller ID to tell you what company it is, the shortcuts you can get by swiping from the edge, the built-in equivalent of Greenify, the palm swipe for a screenshot, double click power button for camera etc.  Some of it can be had by adding third party software to plain Android but if you don't root (I don't) then not all of it.  Plus it's more clutter for the "soandso is running in the background" notifications.  Also I find the camera app way better than Google's.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: MojoJojo on October 30, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
I quite like what Samsung added in their current 'skin'.  Things like how it Googles incoming caller ID to tell you what company it is, the shortcuts you can get by swiping from the edge, the built-in equivalent of Greenify, the palm swipe for a screenshot, double click power button for camera etc.  Some of it can be had by adding third party software to plain Android but if you don't root (I don't) then not all of it.  Plus it's more clutter for the "soandso is running in the background" notifications.  Also I find the camera app way better than Google's.

I don't know exactly what samsung have added or what Greenify is, but I think the basic functionality is basically built into android now - i.e. you can see what apps are using battery while idle (and sometimes get warned by battery hogs) and "battery optimise" them.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 30, 2018, 10:56:48 AM
I don't know exactly what samsung have added or what Greenify is, but I think the basic functionality is basically built into android now - i.e. you can see what apps are using battery while idle (and sometimes get warned by battery hogs) and "battery optimise" them.

yes, that's (hibernation of apps) a core android feature, since Marshmallow. I'm not even sure "free" Greenify is that good for that reason - with the donation version and rooted I like snoozing system apps and services the built-in optimise functions won't touch. And it seems to sync with the optimise feature which is pretty elegant.

If anyone else is tinkerin' with root I really recommend L-Speed as well as it has presets to hew to battery life.  Along the line of tapering services, limiting the CPU discreetly and intelligently (seen Samsung's version of this and it's bloody horrible, so laggy). With those two I'm generally happy as Larry (and we know Larry is fuckin made up)

Currently on 53%, last charge was 1 day 20 hours ago,  6hours 40 minutes of screen usage. Not bad for a blower nearly 18 months old
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 30, 2018, 12:03:46 PM
I don't know exactly what samsung have added or what Greenify is, but I think the basic functionality is basically built into android now - i.e. you can see what apps are using battery while idle (and sometimes get warned by battery hogs) and "battery optimise" them.

It closes background apps when they're just sitting around hogging resources, basically.  You can go in and click an "optimise" button and it does it there and then, or mine runs automatically around lunchtime

I usually find that quite a few things (particularly automation) need to be excluded from both Android and Samsung's battery optimisation stuff
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 30, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Oneplus 6T looks shite value for the money. I got the first Oneplus then the 3 and the 5 but think this will break my loyalty.

- Not waterproof
- No headphone socket
- No SD card
- No Wireless charging
- Notch (albeit a nice teardrop one)


Now,  some of those I live with already, but it seems to be falling behind still leaving these out. REALLY can't stand the idea of bluetooth headphones - especially if it's not in aid of waterproofing?

GSMArena's review seems to confirm my fears

https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_6t-review-1843p7.php

I'm not going back to Oneplus after getting the 3. It's been a very fine phone but very quickly after that was released they seem to have let matters go to their head - gone chasing the dollar instead of getting to work in the engine room and sticking to their strengths.

Plenty of options out there these days to worry about loyalty.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: canadagoose on October 30, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
I'm not going back to Oneplus after getting the 3. It's been a very fine phone but very quickly after that was released they seem to have let matters go to their head - gone chasing the dollar instead of getting to work in the engine room and sticking to their strengths.

Plenty of options out there these days to worry about loyalty.
The OnePlus 3T - still my current phone - has been excellent, although with some software bugs (GPS mainly in the early days, then some Bluetooth bother that was resolved later), but it's disappointing to see that the OnePlus brand seems to be following the same trends as the other brands. Xiaomi seem to offer really good value, but I've not had any personal experience with them. I'm hoping to hold onto my current phone for another little bit yet.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 30, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
Not the slightest bit surprised that OnePlus got integrated into the mainstream, with all the higher prices and flaws, after their success.  Saw it coming as soon as they got an official foothold with networks here.

Pity as the 3T was my best Android phone to date.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on October 31, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
I'm not going back to Oneplus after getting the 3. It's been a very fine phone but very quickly after that was released they seem to have let matters go to their head - gone chasing the dollar instead of getting to work in the engine room and sticking to their strengths.

Plenty of options out there these days to worry about loyalty.

Yeah, 5 is ace, but that's my lot - think I'm going Note 9. The fuck are Oneplus on about now, they don't rival anyone, they don't innovate, they just copy the iPhone but worse.

Oneplus started brill and now just.. who are they aiming for?

Note 9 though. Waterproof, headphones, wireless charging, SD card, notification light, good ROM scene... Samsung don't do notches!

Xiaomi look good too as an alternative brand if I don't feel like importing that for £600 next year (I did import a tablet from Sammy for about £250 cheaper, just had to navigate the language menu to the word English, but it's still dear - mind you, Oneplus spunked that selling point away anyway)
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on October 31, 2018, 10:13:25 PM
Samsung seem to be about the only ones who've not lost the plot.  Unless the upcoming rumour of the S10 having a camera just sat there poking a hole through the screen is true!

The S9 is just a tiny bit lacking for how heavily I use mine with PoGo, wearables, automation, multitasking etc.  But I think a Note would be perfect.  In hindsight, I'd have waited for one, but again, the S9 was effectively free on the contract I got through hotukdeals.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 04, 2018, 06:19:49 AM
Was it, was it free?
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Cloud on November 04, 2018, 01:46:52 PM
Nothing is free, but "effectively free" in comparison to going SIM-only for the amount of data I wanted on my preferred network (30GB, EE).  Deal was £33/month zero upfront cost, and 30GB on SIM-only was about £33/month at the time

Now, at the moment they have a deal on where it's £25/month for SIM-only.  But then, even at £8/month for the phone it's still only a £192 handset.   Rather than a  grand's worth.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Witionamins on November 16, 2018, 11:55:16 AM
Well, yeah that's what I thought, but I was on O2 and it was fine, switched to giffgaff and it was shit. It was a while ago now, 2011 I think.  What do you think about the tirereviews (https://tirereviews.co/)website, searching for tires.

Thanks for the tip on GSMArena, will check it out.

Hi,
I am an iPhone lover so I personally adore iPhones, as well as macbooks from Apple.
Thank you
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: New Jack on November 16, 2018, 12:01:17 PM
Hi,
I am an iPhone lover so I personally adore iPhones, as well as macbooks from Apple.
Thank you

You signed up just to say this? Eh, makes sense
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: MojoJojo on November 16, 2018, 02:23:31 PM
They'll be giving us hot kitchen tips in a moment.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Beagle 2 on November 17, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
You're probably on the edge of your seat waiting for an update on this - the Nokia 7+ is a really lovely thing (shitty camera app aside) and giffgaff have been great so far, instantly improved reception all over Edinburgh at least. So cheers Jerzy and Greencalx.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Dex Sawash on November 18, 2018, 01:36:06 AM
I went to the phone store to see the Red Hydrogen One with "holographic display" because I had a little time to kill.

(https://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/RED-Hydrogen-One-980x538.jpg)

It is a massive chunk of phone. Display is dumb, same effect as a lenticular 3d plastic thingie with the ribs on it. Impressive that it does that but super pointless. The effect works with one eye closed but doesn't really show up on video or images so you have to go look yourself but don't bother.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Dex Sawash on December 02, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
I was contemplating all the $3-$400 middle of road phones when I got email from provider on Thursday that Galaxy Note9 was 40% off making it just another hunnert above what I was thinking of getting.
Arrived yesterday and it is brilliant.  Screen is great and sound from speaker is good enough I watch shows w/o the ear buds.

They threw in the Galaxy watch for $150, I just impulse bought that too. It isn't WearOS so has poor app support.
Watch has cloned SIM of phone so get calls and texts on watch with phone at home though.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: holyzombiejesus on December 08, 2018, 10:50:29 AM
My contract with EE is about to run out. At the moment I get 2gb and a 'free' phone if I upgrade, all for about £27 and I'd need to stick with them for 2 years. I'd probably stick with a Sony out of all the ones on offer. Is it better to get a sim from GiffGaff and get a phone separately? I know that's generally the case but I'm only on a cheapo deal so not sure if it'd be worth the faff.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: Uncle TechTip on December 08, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
If you can pick up a phone you could stay with EE on a Sim Only, you'll still get access to the best 4G frequencies and the fastest everywhere, 16 a month I pay for 2gb. And there are much better deals out there if you are not fussed about provider, giffgaff being the obvious one. I think it always makes sense to get your own phone if you can afford one you like.
Title: Re: What phone?
Post by: MojoJojo on December 10, 2018, 05:10:39 PM
Virgin Media use EEs network and is have some good deals. I pay £6 month for 2Gb, and any unused get's carried over to the next month - although that deal isn't available anymore. £16 a month would currently get you 30Gb a month.

Basically, £16 a month for 2gb is shit - sorry TT!