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Title: Captain Marvel
Post by: olliebean on December 04, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
Can't find an existing thread about this but I guess there'll be one eventually and now seems as good a time as any, since there's a trailer out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpNisnvFmOk

Looks very generic to me. No sense of fun about it. Unless future trailers are a lot better, I can't see myself bothering to go to the cinema for this one.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on December 04, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
Her voice sounds a bit weedy. I'm not familiar with the character, but I'd have thought she was meant to sound all steely, which would be well within Larson's range.

I expect this to be a bit like Green Lantern, but not shit.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on December 04, 2018, 01:54:08 PM
I'm looking forward to it, I've been a far of Larsen's since The United States Of Tara and have faith that she'll pull off the role. Especially if it's anything like this clip from TUSOT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHTb_pMMQ94
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: SteveDave on December 04, 2018, 02:12:14 PM
Finally! A superhero called Carol.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: monolith on December 04, 2018, 02:37:42 PM

Looks very generic to me. No sense of fun about it. Unless future trailers are a lot better, I can't see myself bothering to go to the cinema for this one.
It's Marvel, I think at this point you're either in or you're out. They are all very generic but I imagine if you like the last few Marvel films then this one will also be enjoyable.

I think the phase 3 films have been the most consistent, wasn't massively arsed about Doctor Strange but the others have been great (unless they aren't your thing, although I can't imagine anyone who still watches these is expecting anything massively different).
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: olliebean on December 04, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
I've no idea which films belong to which "phase" - tbh I don't really give a shit about the ongoing arc, buggered if I can't enjoy a film without committing to watching and remembering important details from the other 50 in the series. But I've found most of the last few more enjoyable than the previous lot, which mostly seemed a lot more generic and less willing to send themselves up. This trailer feels more like one of those old generic ones than one of the newer more interesting and fun ones.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Glebe on December 04, 2018, 07:32:00 PM
I think it looks entertaining enough... the young Nick Fury and Coulson and that, and that Ronan the Accuser bloke again etc.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: mothman on December 04, 2018, 11:13:59 PM
I thought it was coming out sooner than March. But looks to have always been due then, apart from being bumped down the roster by S-M:H and AM&TW.

Avengers 4 is still due in May, and S-M2 in July...
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: surreal on December 05, 2018, 05:43:58 AM
I thought it was coming out sooner than March. But looks to have always been due then, apart from being bumped down the roster by S-M:H and AM&TW.

Avengers 4 is still due in May, and S-M2 in July...

Supposedly there will be an Avengers 4 trailer this week
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: mothman on December 05, 2018, 07:51:01 AM
Gosh, does that mean a name, finally?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Replies From View on December 05, 2018, 08:19:12 AM
Let me guess, this is a film that won’t make sense if you haven’t studied all the Iron Man, Captain America, Birth Quest, Spider-Man, Dawson’s Creek, Bashing Warrior, Settlement 9 and Hawkline films first.

When will they start making standalone films again?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Z on December 05, 2018, 08:30:31 AM
Let me guess, this is a film that won’t make sense if you haven’t studied all the Iron Man, Captain America, Birth Quest, Spider-Man, Dawson’s Creek, Bashing Warrior, Settlement 9 and Hawkline films first.

When will they start making standalone films again?
The ones I've seen generally made sense, it was just a big chunk of the films seemed to depend on you appreciating all those nods and references.

Thor 3 made sense, I didn't give a shite about anyone in it though.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: surreal on December 05, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
Let me guess, this is a film that won’t make sense if you haven’t studied all the Iron Man, Captain America, Birth Quest, Spider-Man, Dawson’s Creek, Bashing Warrior, Settlement 9 and Hawkline films first.

When will they start making standalone films again?

It's possible, depending on what they do with the story - many rumours about time-travel going back to events in earlier movies to change the past, so if they do that and you're seeing the "old" parts for the first time I guess it could get confusing.  Could be wrong and they do something else though, have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: monolith on December 05, 2018, 09:30:44 AM
Let me guess, this is a film that won’t make sense if you haven’t studied all the Iron Man, Captain America, Birth Quest, Spider-Man, Dawson’s Creek, Bashing Warrior, Settlement 9 and Hawkline films first.

When will they start making standalone films again?
Not for a while I would imagine. Avengers 3 was the most popular film yet and if you hadn't seen any other MCU films it would make the least sense out of all of them.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Bad Ambassador on December 05, 2018, 01:16:16 PM
Doctor Strange was pretty standalone.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on December 06, 2018, 01:51:39 AM
So were Ant-Man 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (for sequels, at least) and Black Panther. Captain Marvel is an origin story set in the 1990s so while it'll probably have a lot of nods and winks to continuity it should be entirely penetrable.

Thor 3 and Spider-Man Homecoming are the only ones that really got tangled up in other franchises, and I think you could still more or less figure out what's going on even if you only have the dimmest notion of who The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man (respectively) are.

Civil War is a pain, but it's basically another Avengers film, and Infinity War is another Avengers film, so fair enough it's going to be a continuity headache for newbies.

Two impenetrable films, two fiddly ones and four that are open for newcomers doesn't seem that bad.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: olliebean on December 06, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
As long as it doesn't have Bucky in it. Try as I might, I just can't manage to remember who Bucky is or anything about him for more than 5 minutes after seeing one with him in. Someone told me he was the Winter Soldier, but I only remember that because somebody told me - somehow I'd managed to watch The Winter Soldier and not retain that piece of information.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Gulftastic on December 06, 2018, 01:30:17 PM
Is she good at shouting 'SHAZAM!'?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Replies From View on December 06, 2018, 06:36:51 PM
Two impenetrable films, two fiddly ones and four that are open for newcomers doesn't seem that bad.

The only one I have the remotest interest in is Spider-Man.  I bet that goes for many people.  I knew Homecoming was going to lack an origin story of its own and fair enough - we know that story by now - but it was extremely dimwitted of Marvel to decide that their great Spider-Man revival should be a sequel to some random flying robot man films that most of us will never see.

I mean yes, I still understood it, but it was a stupid choice and it annoyed me.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on December 06, 2018, 11:09:20 PM
The only one I have the remotest interest in is Spider-Man.  I bet that goes for many people.  I knew Homecoming was going to lack an origin story of its own and fair enough - we know that story by now - but it was extremely dimwitted of Marvel to decide that their great Spider-Man revival should be a sequel to some random flying robot man films that most of us will never see.

I mean yes, I still understood it, but it was a stupid choice and it annoyed me.

Understandable. I thought they leaned far too heavily on the Stark thing myself, and I really dislike the gimmicky suit.

Given the money that these films make, though, it would appear that "many people" are indeed interested in characters other than Spider-Man. Homecoming is the highest-grossing MCU film not to break a billion. It's been beaten by, in reverse order, Captain America: Civil War, Iron Man 3, Black Panther, Avengers: Age of Ultron, The Avengers, and Avengers: Infinity War. None of the films have made less than $263 million.

I suspect that after Avengers 4 Marvel is going to have a rockier road ahead of it though. There's going to be a major refractory period and I suspect they'll be losing a lot of their first-hand ration stars (ie. the ones that pull in the biggest bucks).
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: MuteBanana on December 06, 2018, 11:13:04 PM
Her voice sounds a bit weedy. I'm not familiar with the character, but I'd have thought she was meant to sound all steely, which would be well within Larson's range.


I thought so too. Even if it isn't they should be boosting it up in the film.

I'm putting hope in this as I'm hoping Marvel will take over from America and take MCU into their next phase.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on December 07, 2018, 01:04:44 AM
I suspect that after Avengers 4 Marvel is going to have a rockier road ahead of it though. There's going to be a major refractory period and I suspect they'll be losing a lot of their first-hand ration stars (ie. the ones that pull in the biggest bucks).

I wouldn't bet against them continuing as ever. Spider-Man 2 is going to be massive – the first one likely suffered from the drag of being the third Spider-Man within a decade, but now the sequel will ride goodwill from the first AND from two of the biggest films of all time. Black Panther 2 picks up from THREE of the biggest films of all time, and still has an entire swathe of audience to itself. Gotta assume Captain Marvel will do well and then play a major part in Infinity War 2 to lead into its sequel too. Phase 4's looking very strong, even with the question mark over Guardians 3.

So yeah, we're done with Cap and Iron Man and Thor for a while. And going by the impression of general disinterest I got from Rudd on the Ant-Man 2 press round, I reckon we might be done with him too. And I don't know there's a huge appetite for Strange 2. But I think Spidey, Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be as strong tentpoles as they've had.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: colacentral on December 07, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
I agree that this trailer makes it look like a bland phase 1 / 2 era film, extremely generic ("it's the key to all this" - yuck), unlike the recent wave of films which have been the strongest, most colourful and distinct yet, particularly the 5 film run from GotG 2 to Infinity War.

I really can't stand the dark filter over everything - orange and teal seen through a stocking appears to be the colour palette they're going for. Thor: The Dark World had a similar oppressively dull colour palette which made an already drab film that much more difficult to sit through.

Having said that, I get the sense that alot is being held back from what the film is really about. There seems to be a mystery element to it and Jude Law seems to be the "surprise" villain so it may just be a case of not wanting to give the game away on that and any surrounding details. Her emphasising that she thinks of the Kree as heroes is obviously setting up her realisation that they're actually a bunch of cunts.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Penfold on December 07, 2018, 09:22:14 PM
I hope my 12 (tis the) seasons of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. payoff.

I kid, it is really enjoyable and only half the length my seasonal joke indicated.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: garnish on December 11, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
I agree that this trailer makes it look like a bland phase 1 / 2 era film, extremely generic ("it's the key to all this" - yuck), unlike the recent wave of films which have been the strongest, most colourful and distinct yet, particularly the 5 film run from GotG 2 to Infinity War.

I really can't stand the dark filter over everything - orange and teal seen through a stocking appears to be the colour palette they're going for. Thor: The Dark World had a similar oppressively dull colour palette which made an already drab film that much more difficult to sit through.

Having said that, I get the sense that alot is being held back from what the film is really about. There seems to be a mystery element to it and Jude Law seems to be the "surprise" villain so it may just be a case of not wanting to give the game away on that and any surrounding details. Her emphasising that she thinks of the Kree as heroes is obviously setting up her realisation that they're actually a bunch of cunts.

Yes I was surprised by the very positive reaction to the trailer on places like Reddit, but I think that's a reflection of the goodwill this movie has.  I read Spiderman and other comics when I was younger but I'd never heard of Captain Marvel - without wanting to project too much, I reckon that's probably the same for most people; all the same, it feels like this is going to be another record breaking box office.

Shhhhurely there's a limit to how often they can do the 'hero gets powers, hero learns to use powers, hero beats the final level baddie'.  Although not a great trailer, it does hint that the storyline won't be quite so generic this time around.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: colacentral on March 09, 2019, 01:55:05 AM
Anyone seen this then? It's average Marvel, maybe slightly above average when you remember this is a franchise with such films as Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Captain America 1, Incredible Hulk, to name a few mediocrities off the top of my head.

The hate it's getting from all corners is unbelievable, sickening actually. Some youtube people who pop up in my recommended list (I know...) are showing themselves up for the demented freaks they are; the brainwashing of Jordan Peterson et al quite obvious. There's a particularly absurd bit of cognitive dissonance with black male "reviewers" who are unable to see the similarity between the abuse this is getting and the attempt at abuse / review bombing that Black Panther got. It didn't work with the latter because of the male contingent able to defend it; whereas in a heavily-male dominated online "review" culture, this doesn't stand a chance.

It's incredibly frustrating as, being a mostly rational person able to watch disposable nonsense like this outside of any external political elements, it's the sort of bog standard comic film that would be getting a solid seven out of ten in most places, and some hyperbolic eights and nines from your sad rapist trolls if it had a male lead.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: idunnosomename on March 09, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
Why would you be called "Brie" thats what i wanna know
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: SavageHedgehog on March 09, 2019, 10:20:03 AM
Anyone seen this then? It's average Marvel, maybe slightly above average when you remember this is a franchise with such films as Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Captain America 1, Incredible Hulk, to name a few mediocrities off the top of my head.

The hate it's getting from all corners is unbelievable, sickening actually. Some youtube people who pop up in my recommended list (I know...) are showing themselves up for the demented freaks they are; the brainwashing of Jordan Peterson et al quite obvious. There's a particularly absurd bit of cognitive dissonance with black male "reviewers" who are unable to see the similarity between the abuse this is getting and the attempt at abuse / review bombing that Black Panther got. It didn't work with the latter because of the male contingent able to defend it; whereas in a heavily-male dominated online "review" culture, this doesn't stand a chance.

It's incredibly frustrating as, being a mostly rational person able to watch disposable nonsense like this outside of any external political elements, it's the sort of bog standard comic film that would be getting a solid seven out of ten in most places, and some hyperbolic eights and nines from your sad rapist trolls if it had a male lead.

To be honest most of the reviews I've seen briefly address "the controversy" and then say it's a below average Marvel film but an OK watch. It does seem like female reviews are generally more enthusiastic about it though (if not to the extent of Wonder Woman, which is probably on point and does show how the balance is perhaps skewed.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: wooders1978 on March 09, 2019, 10:51:18 AM
Why would you be called "Brie" thats what i wanna know

Camembert Larson has a much better ring to it
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 09, 2019, 12:09:32 PM
Stilton Larson. Manchego Larson. She's got great range.

It seems like the tosspots are all in a tizz because Larson said some stuff about making the press junkets more inclusive. She never even said anything about changing the films. Also, the trailer has the word 'Her' turn into the word 'Hero'. Now as some form of protest they're all going to see Alita: Battle Angel, presumably because the star of that doesn't make them uncomfortable by voicing her opinions or pointing out that she is, in fact, a woman.

Without having seen it yet (I'm going tomorrow) I find the idea that she's a Mary Sue questionable. The trailer shows her being knocked down, beaten in a sparring match by Jude Law's character and taken prisoner. Plus, Marvel already has another Captain that is a ridiculously perfect human and no one complains about him
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Phil_A on March 09, 2019, 01:04:51 PM
Stilton Larson. Manchego Larson. She's got great range.

It seems like the tosspots are all in a tizz because Larson said some stuff about making the press junkets more inclusive. She never even said anything about changing the films. Also, the trailer has the word 'Her' turn into the word 'Hero'. Now as some form of protest they're all going to see Alita: Battle Angel, presumably because the star of that doesn't make them uncomfortable by voicing her opinions or pointing out that she is, in fact, a woman.

Without having seen it yet (I'm going tomorrow) I find the idea that she's a Mary Sue questionable. The trailer shows her being knocked down, beaten in a sparring match by Jude Law's character and taken prisoner. Plus, Marvel already has another Captain that is a ridiculously perfect human and no one complains about him

Midnight's Edge have been running a series of blatantly dogwhistling videos about the "controversy" and the comments under the videos prompted me to unsub from their channel, because if that's the kind of audience they're aiming to cultivate then I'll get my dubiously sourced Star Trek gossip elsewhere, thanks.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: wooders1978 on March 09, 2019, 02:43:13 PM
Kermodes reviewed it - he is really skirting around the fact he thought it was shit, he even acknowledges that he isn’t really “the audience” - but he clearly doesn’t feel he can just give his honest opinion. Which is wrong, it’s wraaang!!
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 09, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
Just saw it, thought it was fine. Not sure about Brie Larson, to be honest, seemed a bit of a personality void, but Sam Jackson carried the thing pretty well and yer man Mendelsohn was great as the Skrull leader.

The "amnesiac hero slowly remembers their mysterious past and unlocks true power" storyline did seem a bit tired (they could have done a joke with Jackson referencing his part in 'The Long Kiss Goodnight') but there you go. And the cat was very good.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 09, 2019, 03:45:24 PM
we're done with Cap and Iron Man

Had a really bad misreading of that


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Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Butchers Blind on March 10, 2019, 04:05:05 PM
A question to those who have seen this, do I have to watch this before seeing Endgame?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 10, 2019, 04:18:06 PM
No one has seen Endgame. How would they know?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 10, 2019, 04:55:07 PM
A question to those who have seen this, do I have to watch this before seeing Endgame?

I would say not. All you'll likely need to know is that she has general Superman-type powers and can fire laser bolts out of her fists. And that she made friends with Nick Fury in the 1990s.

Anyway, a big, rambling thing I wrote to a friend; might as well repost here...

- Despite the petulant flailing of Jordan Peterson's phalanx of manchildren, this isn't the end of all that is male. Sadly for girls aged 8-80, it's not brilliant either. It's fine. Mid-tier Marvel along the lines of Ant-Man or Doctor Strange. "Wait for Netflix" stuff. You don't need to see this before Avengers: Endgame, other than to know Captain Marvel (or "Vers") becomes pals with Sam Jackson's Nick Fury and has glowy energy powers.

- Brie Larson is great with what she has, but she doesn't have much. Marvel's adherence to the Strong Female Hero trope (ie. a woman with no personality or character traits beyond those three things) comes across as cowardice considering that two years ago we had imperfect woman heroes who were not diminished by their flaws in both Wonder Woman and Atomic Blonde. Marvel's men get to be interesting. Let the women be interesting too!

- As with Black Panther, progressive politics and the Marvel movie formula make for an uncomfortable fit. Unlike Black Panther, this film's five (!) screenwriters didn't manage to smooth over the cracks. When Vers - tired of being told by her commanding officer to stop being emotional and think with her head and not her heart - hauls off and punches him into a mountain, it's supposed to be a "YOU GO, GIRL!" power moment. Instead, it basically says "Yeah, women are hyper-emotional," which I'm pretty sure is a stereotype we're not supposed to be in favour of.

- There's a bit in which we flash back over all the times that Brie's character gets back up after a fall, and aside from implying that the strength of women is that they put up with a lot of shit (which is a fair point, but again feels a bit regressive after Wonder Woman), it looks like a Super Bowl commercial for a credit card.

- All the cast, not just Brie, are great. It's fun to see Sam Jackson for the first time playing Nick Fury with his arsecheeks unclenched, and he has tremendous chemistry with Brie. But it's Ben Mendelsohn as the leader of the Skrull army that steals the show.

- Wait, no, the cat steals the show. Mendelsohn in second place. Although the business involving a cat scratch at the end makes no fucking sense, and implies that Fury is either an idiot who shrugs off disfiguring injuries so he can enjoy a dinner, or an idiot who doesn't know how to use antiseptic.

- The soundtrack is fantastic, if you like Elastica and Garbage. If you don't then you're beyond hope.

- What Captain Marvel giveth to the ears, it taketh away from the eyes. This film has some of the worst cinematography I've seen in a big-budget movie since... well, probably since that nigh-unwatchable nighttime jungle sequence in Black Panther, come to think of it. Every scene that's not in the California sunlight or under office strip lighting is a smudgy, blurry, hideous mess. Including an otherwise fun brawl set to No Doubt's "I'm Just a Girl".

- Most of the action scenes, however, are forgettable in the extreme. I actually had to consciously go through the film in my head, plot beat by plot beat, the morning after watching it, just to remember them. The action in BP was mostly pretty poorly directed, but at least there were moments that left an impression. No so much here.

- The Stan Lee tribute at the start was more affecting than anything that followed. His cameo in the film proper was clever and will be loved by nerds.

- Mid-credits scene is a little gap-bridger to Avengers: Endgame, but doesn't tell you anything you didn't know (in fact, I suspect, judging by the superior lighting and direction, it's just been nabbed from the film itself, in the same way that the Dr Strange mid-credits sequence came directly from Thor: Ragnarok). End-credits scene can absolutely be skipped, but features more cat.

- Seriously, that cat is awesome.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 10, 2019, 04:59:48 PM
Without having seen it yet (I'm going tomorrow) I find the idea that she's a Mary Sue questionable. The trailer shows her being knocked down, beaten in a sparring match by Jude Law's character and taken prisoner. Plus, Marvel already has another Captain that is a ridiculously perfect human and no one complains about him

I'm quite happy to point out when a character is a Mary Sue (stand up The Force Awakens and Star Trek: Discovery!) but it absolutely does not apply here. She is, however, something of a cypher and a bit of a generic Strong Female Hero, without any of the interesting quirks or flaws that the heroines of Wonder Woman or Atomic Blonde showed. That's partly because the writers were hamstrung by the plot, but it still feels very unambitious, even cowardly.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: colacentral on March 10, 2019, 05:03:05 PM
The eye scratch is alien, implied by the Skrull to be some horrendous space infection. Not sure a bit of antiseptic cream was saving the eye.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 10, 2019, 05:32:13 PM
The eye scratch is alien, implied by the Skrull to be some horrendous space infection. Not sure a bit of antiseptic cream was saving the eye.

So why isn't he fucking running to hospital or a decontamination facility at the end, rather than sitting around having dinner and chortling?

It's inane.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 10, 2019, 06:48:18 PM
When Vers - tired of being told by her commanding officer to stop being emotional and think with her head and not her heart - hauls off and punches him into a mountain, it's supposed to be a "YOU GO, GIRL!" power moment. Instead, it basically says "Yeah, women are hyper-emotional," which I'm pretty sure is a stereotype we're not supposed to be in favour of.
I didn't have that response at all, more just a character thinking "ah, fuck your shite" to somebody they have found out has been lying to them for years. I'd have expected a male character to respond in exactly the same way.

Same as with the flashback to Danvers' previous mishaps inspiring her to fuck off the shackles. I didn't find it that different from when Quill is inspired by the memory of his mother - just a character remembering their past to inspire them in the moment.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 10, 2019, 07:28:42 PM
I didn't have that response at all, more just a character thinking "ah, fuck your shite" to somebody they have found out has been lying to them for years. I'd have expected a male character to respond in exactly the same way.

Same as with the flashback to Danvers' previous mishaps inspiring her to fuck off the shackles. I didn't find it that different from when Quill is inspired by the memory of his mother - just a character remembering their past to inspire them in the moment.

That's how I felt too, and really enjoyed the moment. As a whole I quite enjoyed it, it's not a film I loved or will ever watch again (which applies to 99% of films though, it's rare I rewatch stuff unless a couple of decades have passed) but I thought Larson was fantastic in the lead role, Jackson very strong too, and I didn't want to punch Jude Law in the face so that's something of a first. I thought it could have benefited from at least one more big set piece, preferably in the middle of the film, but otherwise I've no complaints and as Mister Six mentions, the cat is superb and deserves his own spin off. 7.6/10
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: colacentral on March 10, 2019, 07:29:19 PM
So why isn't he fucking running to hospital or a decontamination facility at the end, rather than sitting around having dinner and chortling?

It's inane.

Because he didn't know it would pop his eye out; he says "it's just a cat scratch" or something and it's only the Skrull who's concerned about it.

Any serious iteration of him losing the eye, in a serious fight scene or whatever, would have been expected and cringey. I don't give a toss.

At least this way it's a joke, and it's relateable (coincidentally I almost lost my eye to my own ginger cat a few weeks ago and have a big scar beneath it now; I should have gone to the hospital to check for cat scratch disease but thought "fuck it, probably fine" and took my chances). If Fury had been tortured or something the moment would have been forgotten almost instantly.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 10, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
Pretty standard fare. Good fun, but not one for the ages.

There certainly isn't anything for the man babies to whinge about. The only time the Captain's gender is particularly acknowledged is when a fight scene is set to Just a Girl by No Doubt.
Speaking of which, why was there so much music? It wasn't woven into the story like in Guardians of the Galaxy. I get the feeling the film makers thought they had to include it because it's a period piece.

Carol's lack of a strong personality is the main problem. As noted, Larson makes the best of what she's given, but I just didn't feel like I knew who she was meant to be. It'll be interesting to see how she works with the other heroes in Endgame.

I didn't have that response at all, more just a character thinking "ah, fuck your shite" to somebody they have found out has been lying to them for years. I'd have expected a male character to respond in exactly the same way.
Yeah, he was trying to goad her into getting emotional and taking him on in fisticuffs, but she wasn't having it. Funnily enough, Captain America did fall for that ploy when he fought the French bloke in Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: DukeDeMondo on March 11, 2019, 12:19:22 AM
I really didn't know what to expect from this at all, but my partner and I went to see it last night anyway. See what it's all about, so. This Captain Marvel.

I’ve only ever managed to catch maybe every 3rd or 4th of these MCU numbers, and I haven’t always managed to catch the ones worth catching. As a result, I’m not hugely invested in it. I don’t have much of a grip on a great many of these arcs developing independently and concurrently across a plethora of properties only to converge without warning three years later in some other sort of context altogether. I don’t always know who the fuck anyone is or if I do I don’t know what changes they’ve undergone since I last saw them eight or nine years ago, maybe. I don’t why the people around me are bouncing in their seats because this one’s hand is held in a certain position for a moment or that one’s eye has turned a particular colour and back again, I don’t know that it’s all related to something that went on during the post credits scene at the end of Thor: Borley Rectory or the bit in the second act of Iron Man: Thumps For Days where he puts on a song he wants to hear on Spotify but then it’s not the song he thought it was. As a result, a lot of the more lauded pictures – Infinity War and things like this especially – have felt like a bit of a fucking drag for me at times, to be honest, Sat there for two and a half hours absolutely bewildered. Stuff going so far up over my head as to be smacking me on the soles of my feet.

(I do think it’s a properly, massively fucking impressive achievement, by the by, the MCU. I haven’t been on board for most of the ride, but I’m sure the folks who have have had a fucking blast. I've been lost more times than enough, but complaining about not knowing what’s going on during the fifteenth or sixteenth film in a series I haven't been paying much attention to, one with this much complexity at its core and this much communication and interplay between instalments and this much of a commitment to the patient development of an intricate mythos across multiple narrative strands threaded through several ostensibly “standalone” pictures, most of fairly high standard… whatever the motivation, that’s fucking impressive, and me fuming all “Infinity War is a load of fucking shit because it didn’t make any fucking sense and I didn’t know who anyone was or why they were there” is a bit like tuning in cold to last night's Eastenders and complaining that they didn’t even tell you what the fuck the Thames was or why Martin spent the whole time looking all funny at Kush or who the fuck Kush even is. I know this.)

But, so, went to see it anyway, this Captain Marvel.

Would I know what the hell was going on or would I wouldn’t? This is what I was thinking, going in. Would the craic be ninety or ninety below? Was I in for a Ragnarok or a Dark World? In the end, I was in for a Ragnarok alright. Pair of us thoroughly enjoyed it. Definitely had more fun with it than I’ve had with any of the Marvel films since maybe the first Avengers picture. Spectacular stuff. It helped that it was a prequel, so it didn’t matter that I still didn’t know a lot of the stuff that I could have done with knowing going into Infinity War, and helped even more than it was funny and witty and warm and full of enough 1990s nostalgia porn to keep me thoroughly entertained for the duration. And that Brie Larson is just fucking awesome, kicking shit to bits and blasting things to pieces and glowing her eyes all Vestron Video and punching Jude Law through mini-mountains and this sort of stuff. Reminded me a bit of the recent Bumblebee, actually, in tone. And also Critters 2, a bit, for different reasons. And it has the distinction of being the first film in maybe fifteen or twenty years to have a really funny joke to do with Kevin Smith in. Well, "really funny" is pushing it a bit, but I laughed, and it was quite touching.

I do wonder if this and Jonah Hill’s Mid90s represent some sort of Wedding Singer sort of moment, far as 1990s nostalgia goes. Peak of something that started with, I dunno, Waaves and things like this and continues in the work of your Soccer Mommys or whoever. In a weird sort of way The Wedding Singer kind of led to 808s & Heartbreak. Who knows what Captain Marvel will lead to? Whatever it's leading to, it seems like Grimes (https://youtu.be/gYG_4vJ4qNA) might be halfway there already, for better or worse.

Also, is this first time Nirvana and Hole have both featured prominently on the soundtrack to a big Hollywood movie picture?

And that Nine Inch Nails shirt must have been fucking humming by the end. Absolutely minging. Unless she just had a whole wardrobe full of them after the fashion of your Brundlefly or whatever.

Anyway, I enjoyed it a lot. Lot more than I expected to. Good fun, so.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 12:29:43 AM
I didn't have that response at all, more just a character thinking "ah, fuck your shite" to somebody they have found out has been lying to them for years. I'd have expected a male character to respond in exactly the same way.

Same as with the flashback to Danvers' previous mishaps inspiring her to fuck off the shackles. I didn't find it that different from when Quill is inspired by the memory of his mother - just a character remembering their past to inspire them in the moment.

This is a film in which the climactic battle is fought to the tune of "Just a Girl" by No Doubt. You may not have picked up on it, but the condescending boss telling his female employee not to be so emotional absolutely is part of the subtext.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 12:44:40 AM
But she wasn't being emotional. If anything, he was the one getting angry, since he knew he didn't stand a chance against her. She just calmly shuts him down.

There's an obvious subtext of her being held back by society, but I'm not sure the film is saying wild mood swings are the answer. She gets rid of the literal chip on her shoulder (neck) and realises that she doesn't have to live by someone else's rules.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 01:05:27 AM
Because he didn't know it would pop his eye out; he says "it's just a cat scratch" or something and it's only the Skrull who's concerned about it.

Why doesn't the Skrull tell his new human mate of the danger? Why doesn't Fury pick up on his grimace?

I'd have no problem with this if Fury had left as soon as he could to have his wound tended to, but the script as written (or, rather, rewritten) doesn't make sense. It's a shit bit of plotting, made worse because it's now tied to the defining physical trait of one of the series' most prominent characters. So every time Fury pops up with his cool eyepatch, there's a reminder that this man - when it comes to animals at least - is a dunce.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 01:14:23 AM
But she wasn't being emotional. If anything, he was the one getting angry, since he knew he didn't stand a chance against her. She just calmly shuts him down.

He's not angry, though, he's visibly delighted that she appears to have listened to his advice and mastered her negative emotions. He thinks he's already won in that regard and now he wants to win again by fighting her. And, as noted above, she's tired of this shit and wallops him into a wall.

If it doesn't make much sense, that's because this thing has gone through five screenwriters (at least; maybe more uncredited), producers' notes, two directors and an editor. That it hangs together as well as it does is a small miracle, but it does lead to stuff like this.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 01:28:22 AM
I think he was just playing mind games with her, trying to make her constantly question herself. He was basically negging her throughout their relationship. He was getting noticeably fraught right before she blasted him.
Why doesn't the Skrull tell his new human mate of the danger? Why doesn't Fury pick up on his grimace?

I'd have no problem with this if Fury had left as soon as he could to have his wound tended to, but the script as written (or, rather, rewritten) doesn't make sense. It's a shit bit of plotting, made worse because it's now tied to the defining physical trait of one of the series' most prominent characters. So every time Fury pops up with his cool eyepatch, there's a reminder that this man - when it comes to animals at least - is a dunce.
I was rather flippant. In one of the earlier films, he says something like,  "Last time I trusted someone, it cost me an eye."This implies that his injury was a big, dramatic, formative experience, that significantly affected his character. It turns out it was just a silly gag with a space cat.

Are all cats space cats?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 01:46:23 AM
Yeah - I like the gag just fine, I hate the hoops of illogic that Fury has to jump through to make it stick.

I assumed the space cat belonged to Mar-vell when she was working on the faster-than-light engine, and stuck around after she died, occasionally wandering out to the desert to eat armadillos or cougars or whatever.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 02:14:44 AM
they could have done a joke with Jackson referencing his part in 'The Long Kiss Goodnight'
He could have used Frank and Ernest as aliases.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: wooders1978 on March 11, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
I don’t think the man babies as you put it are complaining that the film is about a woman super hero are they? If so why was there none of this when Wonder Woman came out?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: brat-sampson on March 11, 2019, 10:45:52 AM
I don’t think the man babies as you put it are complaining that the film is about a woman super hero are they? If so why was there none of this when Wonder Woman came out?

I mean, there was. Especially over some Women Only showings in certain theatres.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 12:09:08 PM
God yes, loads of whining by intellectual midgets who are so insecure that fucking superhero movies starring women are viewed as an attack on their identity..
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Phil_A on March 11, 2019, 12:39:19 PM
Women superheroes films apparently are fine as long as they don't "push an SJW agenda" or mention anything about female empowerment or criticise male attitudes or present women characters as being in any way idealised. Just don't do any of those and you'll be fine with these lads.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 11, 2019, 01:06:41 PM
Women superheroes films apparently are fine as long as they don't "push an SJW agenda" or mention anything about female empowerment or criticise male attitudes or present women characters as being in any way idealised. Just don't do any of those and you'll be fine with these lads.

They are also fine if Batman vs. Superman has bombed and you're relying on one to have any hope of any more DC movies in the near future. Because as much as you hate women, you hate Marvel Comics even more.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 02:01:47 PM
Women superheroes films apparently are fine as long as they don't "push an SJW agenda" or mention anything about female empowerment or criticise male attitudes or present women characters as being in any way idealised. Just don't do any of those and you'll be fine with these lads.

I think you can present them as idealised so long as it means they slink about in tight clothes and have big tits and the camera lingers on their arse. Bonus points if they lez off with another sexy empowered female.

If it means presenting them as rounded human characters and you don't even get a proper look at their arse or they have a flappy skirt that covers it or something, however, then it's the destruction of modern civilisation and must be stopped at all costs (ie.by threatening people over Twitter).
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 02:25:40 PM
I've also seen the man babies (for that is what they are) calling John Boyega's role in Star Wars 'SJW propaganda', despite the fact that his race is entirely incidental to the character. Speaking of which, they seem to have no problem with Princess Leia talking down to blokes, but despise any other woman doing so. They are silly.

Anyway, back to Captain Marvel. I must confess I didn't see the twist coming. Or, rather, I expected betrayal from the Kree (since they'd previously been established as a bunch of tossers and Jude Law has an English accent) but I wasn't expecting the skrull, much less one played by Ben Mendelsohn, to be goodies. Canny bit of casting, that.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 02:58:05 PM
A sign of how progressive Hollywood now is: an English accent now signifies trustworthiness, not villainy.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 11, 2019, 05:55:08 PM
This is a film in which the climactic battle is fought to the tune of "Just a Girl" by No Doubt. You may not have picked up on it, but the condescending boss telling his female employee not to be so emotional absolutely is part of the subtext.
The use of "Just a Girl" felt a bit shoehorned in to me. My take after watching the whole film was that Yon-Rogg is always telling "Vers" to keep her emotions in check is because he knows full well what she has within her: she absorbed the power of the one of the most powerful objects in the galaxy!

By the end, he's the one reduced to being overemotional (he's obviously terrified at being send back 'empty handed') and the speech he gives before being blasted into the rockface is a last-ditch attempt to get her off-guard. After all, at this point she's just smashed through his whole team and blasted a huge spaceship to bits.

I understand people taking a feminist view of the film, but for me, you could have had a male character and 95% of the film would have been exactly the same, as clearly Vers has not been held back in Star Force by her gender - she's not even the only woman on the team. It's only the bits about her treatment in the Air Force ("it's called a cockpit for a reason", not being able to fly combat missions) that give it the slant that I think the filmmakers were trying (desperately?) to make.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 06:06:33 PM
Yarp. It's her confidence he's undermining, not her fabulous female fury. Her triumph didn't come from viewing her femininity as the source of her strength, it came from not viewing it as a weakness.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: colacentral on March 11, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
And the whole angle of her having the piss taken out of her in a military setting is reminiscent of Captain America 1. There's already been the male equivalent of the exact same story.

Also, the idea of being "powered up" by strong emotions is a well-worn trope in the action / adventure genre: in Marvel alone I can think of Thor: Ragnarok and Spider-Man: Homecoming off the top of my head. Other obvious and popular examples are the hundreds of times it happens to male characters in Dragonball Z. It speaks to the idea of coming through the other side of trauma as a stronger person; yet I've seen people trying to argue that the message is women should be allowed to be emotional rather than logical, or some nonsense. In the case of Thor: Ragnarok you could look at that film and say it's about a mad manipulative woman who gets ideas above her station and destroys the home and the family when she's placed in charge, but you'd have to be actively looking for that and bringing your preconceptions about the film's motives to make that argument. In CM's case the motivation appears to be the "social Marxism" Peterson special.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Butchers Blind on March 11, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
Watched last night and thought it was mid-Marvel fare.  Brie Larson came across as a bit of a personality vacuum; all her lines seem to to fall flat and was an emotional blank space.  If it wasn't for SLJ and Mendelsohn it could have easily dropped further into IM2 Marvel rankings. The action/fight scenes were overly edited and the script felt like a mash up of other Marvel tropes that have already been seen.

Nice Stan Lee cameo.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 11, 2019, 08:11:08 PM
Just saw it, thought it was fine. Not sure about Brie Larson, to be honest, seemed a bit of a personality void, but Sam Jackson carried the thing pretty well and yer man Mendelsohn was great as the Skrull leader.

Watched last night and thought it was mid-Marvel fare.  Brie Larson came across as a bit of a personality vacuum; all her lines seem to to fall flat and was an emotional blank space.  If it wasn't for SLJ and Mendelsohn it could have easily dropped further into IM2 Marvel rankings

Are you that evil clone of mine that people have been spotting around South Manchester?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Butchers Blind on March 11, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
Are you that evil clone of mine that people have been spotting around South Manchester?

Skrulls get everywhere.

Trying to think who would have been better cast in the lead role.  Marvel went with a safe pair of hands in Oscar winner Brie.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 11, 2019, 08:28:52 PM
Trying to think who would have been better cast in the lead role.  Marvel went with a safe pair of hands in Oscar winner Brie.
It's a fair point and I don't have an answer, though I'm not too up on the hip young talents in the word of acting these days.

I will say that the smile she gave Stan Lee did come across as full of warmth (though they probably weren't in the same room when it was filmed) and it was one of my favourite moments in the film.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 08:34:51 PM
Charlize Theron would seem like an obvious choice.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: chveik on March 11, 2019, 08:47:57 PM
Trying to think who would have been better cast in the lead role.  Marvel went with a safe pair of hands in Oscar winner Brie.

tbf she was good as Ollie in The Thick of It.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 11, 2019, 10:22:49 PM
I understand people taking a feminist view of the film, but for me, you could have had a male character and 95% of the film would have been exactly the same, as clearly Vers has not been held back in Star Force by her gender - she's not even the only woman on the team.

Yeah, it's this thing called "metaphor".

And the whole angle of her having the piss taken out of her in a military setting is reminiscent of Captain America 1. There's already been the male equivalent of the exact same story.

Yes  In that film he's spurned because he's a weakling. In this film she's spurned because she's a woman. Remember that the only reason she volunteers to fly the experimental aircraft is because the US Air Force wouldn't let women fly combat missions.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 11, 2019, 10:33:00 PM
Yeah, it's this thing called "metaphor".
You seem to see it as important in the context of the film (and whatever wider meaning), I discarded it as an irrelevant bit of fluff. Such is film criticism, I guess.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 11, 2019, 11:43:15 PM
In this film she's spurned because she's a woman. Remember that the only reason she volunteers to fly the experimental aircraft is because the US Air Force wouldn't let women fly combat missions.
That's a point: The film has a promotional thing for the US Air Force, but the portrayal doesn't seem all that flattering. "Women! Join the Air Force. You'll be routinely ridiculed and not allowed to go on any missions."
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 12, 2019, 02:53:39 AM
Not enough Lego in this
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 12, 2019, 12:53:41 PM
You seem to see it as important in the context of the film (and whatever wider meaning), I discarded it as an irrelevant bit of fluff. Such is film criticism, I guess.

Sorry, I was too sarcastic there.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 12, 2019, 01:54:25 PM
He's not angry, though, he's visibly delighted that she appears to have listened to his advice and mastered her negative emotions. He thinks he's already won in that regard and now he wants to win again by fighting her. And, as noted above, she's tired of this shit and wallops him into a wall.

I didn't get that. I thought he was giddily desperate, knew she could flatten him, and so tried one last pathetic attempt to control her with the bullshit he was using on her before. But more than anything, the scene was Indiana Jones vs the swordsman. That let it down for me because I could see it coming, but it got a good laugh from the audience (especially kids).

I liked the film, but I found Samuel L Jackson really creepy and distracting. They seemed to have squashed his head.

(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1374033/die-hard-samuel-l-jackson.jpg?w=660&e=ca221e3abce2558209da1624b1a80a37)(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/doctorwhotorchwood/images/4/40/161_mickey_auton.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120823192748&path-prefix=de)
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: idunnosomename on March 12, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
Well. Here's the RLM lads weighing in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQNYeOEFJc

six minutes of bigging up how wonderful Milwaukee is, which you shouldn't skip, because it's hilarious. Just pretend it's Nuneaton or something. Then the rest is a measured takedown of neckbeard/woke takes of a competent corporate product.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 12, 2019, 11:40:24 PM
Then the rest is a measured takedown of neckbeard/woke takes of a competent corporate product.

I watched this earlier, and it fucking isn't. It's tone deaf and hypocritical in the extreme, and they very strongly embody what they're complaining about Larson arguing against. I like them a lot generally, and whilst they've skirted dickhead opinions on this sort of thing before, they took a swan dive into it here.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 12, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
I was mildly dreading their review, based on previous times they've ham-fistedly tackled these kind of issues. I didn't think they came across that badly this time though. Jay at least broadly agreed with Larson's statements about critic diversity, didn't he?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 13, 2019, 12:21:33 AM
[EDIT: Actually, delete that. It'll annoy me if I lead this thread off-piste into irritating extratextual arguments.]
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 13, 2019, 12:21:59 AM
I liked the film.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on March 13, 2019, 03:20:29 AM
Ok so skimming the thread, I should wait for this one to crop up on Netflix yeah?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: olliebean on March 13, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
It won't be on Netflix, nor will any future Marvel movies. Disney have their own streaming service now, which means no soup for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: samadriel on March 13, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
Now that I think about it, didn't they talk up the connectedness between CM's powers and Ant-Man's subatomic travel in old interviews?  I guess something along those lines could show up in Endgame, or it could've just been bollocks.  Or an earlier draft.

I enjoyed this one, although like I've said with some other Marvel movies, it kind of went in one ear and out the other.  I found Larson charming enough, and I liked the supporting cast.  The soundtrack laid it on a bit thick, but I admit I enjoyed most of it; 'Just a Girl' was a bit on the nose though.

I was surprised that they didn't make the Skrulls as a bloc a bit more villainous -- I liked that Ben Mendelsohn's Skrull was genuine and not double-crossing them, but the war between Kree and Skrulls felt a bit one-sided.  Skrull sleeper agents are a major source of potential plot in the Marvel universe, and you lose that a bit if the species is busy fleeing the galaxy.  I guess when it comes to galactic warfare I've been spoiled by BKV's Saga, where no side are angels.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 13, 2019, 12:52:41 PM
Well (I think there's some megaspoils already upthread, so I'll skip the spoiler text), in one little bit they did say they all had blood on their hands, so they're not painting all Skrull as purely innocent. I really liked that moment, incidentally, with Marvel showing turmoil for having murdered Talos's crew. It's ultimately brushed off fairly quickly, but a lesser film would have just avoided addressing it at all.

Not being a comic reader, I'm glad there's not going to be a lot of "actually, Iron Man's was a Skrull!" nonsense. The Hydra twist was incredible, but it'd be worse with shapeshifters. Although in the Empire spoiler podcast, they do note that there's possibly still a Skrull on Earth (four arrived on the beach, one killed early, one shot in the house, one leaves with Marvel...).

Here's a question: why do you reckon this was set in the 90s? Before it came out, everyone was speculating that it was setting up time travel to resolve Infinity War, but that hasn't happened (at least not explicitly in this film). It added some fun setting stuff, some distracting creepy de-aging effects, and made me spend the latter half of the film wondering who the little girl would grow up to be, but all that aside.

Also: don't the Kree have faster than light travel already? Isn't that what the jump-gate thing they use is?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 13, 2019, 01:13:58 PM
Here's a question: why do you reckon this was set in the 90s? Before it came out, everyone was speculating that it was setting up time travel to resolve Infinity War, but that hasn't happened (at least not explicitly in this film). It added some fun setting stuff, some distracting creepy de-aging effects, and made me spend the latter half of the film wondering who the little girl would grow up to be, but all that aside.

I think it's just to explain why Captain Marvel wasn't in any of the other Avengers movies, as she's so super powerful she could have probably dealt with Ultron and the other villains pretty easily and it'd seem weird if she chose to sit such battles out.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 13, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
I think it's just to explain why Captain Marvel wasn't in any of the other Avengers movies, as she's so super powerful she could have probably dealt with Ultron and the other villains pretty easily and it'd seem weird if she chose to sit such battles out.

That problem's only introduced by setting this movie in the 90s, though. And it isn't quite resolved. Yes, she's off-world, but why didn't Fury page her when Loki had the Tesseract and was invading New York with aliens?

If she becomes Captain Marvel today, after those events, it's not an issue.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 13, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
Also: don't the Kree have faster than light travel already? Isn't that what the jump-gate thing they use is?

Er, to make up something completely, perhaps the jump gates need to be built at specific locations (the fit blue Kree lass said she'd been to Earth before, so it would make sense) to be used. Or possibly they have a limited range - Marvel was supposed to be taking the Skrulls out of the galaxy, where even the Kree can't get to them.

Here's a question: why do you reckon this was set in the 90s? Before it came out, everyone was speculating that it was setting up time travel to resolve Infinity War, but that hasn't happened (at least not explicitly in this film). It added some fun setting stuff, some distracting creepy de-aging effects, and made me spend the latter half of the film wondering who the little girl would grow up to be, but all that aside.

The little girl is Maria Rambeau, who in the comic has light-based powers and has been one of the captains Marvel, as well as using the codenames Pulsar, Photon (also her mum's Air Force callsign in the film) and Spectrum.

It also gives me hope for a Nextwave film, ideally from the team behind Spiderverse...

(https://i.imgur.com/CiQFGNZ.jpg)

As for why... I'm guessing it's because every new Marvel franchise since phase two has had some kind of gimmick to make it stand out from the general Marvel scrum (Ant-Man has the heist angle, Dr Strange the psychedelic visuals and Black Panther the black identity politics thing) and they didn't think having a female-led film was enough, especially after Ant-Man and The Wasp co-headlined a woman.

But the 90s angle gives it a bit of visual distinction and allows it to do some 90s jokes and that helps distinguish it more.

Plus, it allows them to quickly bring in a black female superhero - see above - without too much effort. "Look how you've grown" ZAP "Blimey, you have superpowers now!" (Audience gives Wakanda Forever salute.)
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 13, 2019, 01:37:10 PM
That problem's only introduced by setting this movie in the 90s, though. And it isn't quite resolved. Yes, she's off-world, but why didn't Fury page her when Loki had the Tesseract and was invading New York with aliens?

If she becomes Captain Marvel today, after those events, it's not an issue.

That's a very good point, I hadn't thought of that, so I guess it's what Mister Six said above. Though concerning why Fury hadn't paged her, Kevin Fiege addressed that a couple of days ago suggesting that he might have done so, but she was too busy to respond.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 13, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
That problem's only introduced by setting this movie in the 90s, though. And it isn't quite resolved. Yes, she's off-world, but why didn't Fury page her when Loki had the Tesseract and was invading New York with aliens?

Because he had the Avengers. She's a last resort. In Infinity War all of the Avengers are AWOL in Wakanda save Hawkeye, who's just some cunt with a bow and arrow. When a clearly planet-threatening even like the dusting occurs, he realises that the Avengers have failed and calls her in to sort it out.

Or what Marvel exec Kevin Feige said.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 13, 2019, 01:43:51 PM
Er, to make up something completely, perhaps the jump gates need to be built at specific locations (the fit blue Kree lass said she'd been to Earth before, so it would make sense) to be used. Or possibly they have a limited range - Marvel was supposed to be taking the Skrulls out of the galaxy, where even the Kree can't get to them.

That works. Although weren't the same things used in Guardians 2, to get them well across the universe? I suppose you can say its less easy to track someone who avoids them or something.

The little girl is Maria Rambeau, who in the comic has light-based powers and has been one of the captains Marvel, as well as using the codenames Pulsar, Photon (also her mum's Air Force callsign in the film) and Spectrum.

...

Plus, it allows them to quickly bring in a black female superhero - see above - without too much effort. "Look how you've grown" ZAP "Blimey, you have superpowers now!" (Audience gives Wakanda Forever salute.)

Aha, that's interesting, thanks. I agree that it gives it a formal quirk, but there must be plot and future set up stuff in there too, like this sort of thing. I was wondering about it allowing some Guardians backstory stuff too.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 13, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
That works. Although weren't the same things used in Guardians 2, to get them well across the universe? I suppose you can say its less easy to track someone who avoids them or something.

Well they're Guardians of the Galaxy so I would imagine they weren't going across the universe.

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Aha, that's interesting, thanks. I agree that it gives it a formal quirk, but there must be plot and future set up stuff in there too, like this sort of thing. I was wondering about it allowing some Guardians backstory stuff too.

I think the appearances by Djimon Honsou and Lee Pace were just a bit of fun fan-friendly casting, and a way to make the supporting characters memorable, given how little they were given to do. I was honestly surprised they got their own credit image.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 13, 2019, 03:56:48 PM
Oh, I don't mean in this film, just pondering what else could have required the 90s setting. If the time travel thing doesn't happen, she's out in space for the last twenty years, so there's potential for historical run-ins with the Guardians and, er, Asgardians and their supporting casts. Thanos himself – she'd have left Earth around the time he was kicking off, assuming Gamora and Nebula age like humans. Maybe they used to be mates and Endgame is just her popping round to have a chat.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 13, 2019, 06:07:53 PM
Oh, I don't mean in this film, just pondering what else could have required the 90s setting.
Allows a bit of space between Captain Marvel and Iron Man for Fury (now aware of the existence of threats from space) to:

a) climb the ladder at SHIELD
b) Research and put together his Avenger Initiative.

Guess it wouldn't have worked so well if it had shown Fury at his desk looking at his TV to see Iron Man zipping around and going "ah-ha! That gives me an idea!"
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Dex Sawash on March 13, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
That's a very good point, I hadn't thought of that, so I guess it's what Mister Six said above. Though concerning why Fury hadn't paged her, Kevin Fiege addressed that a couple of days ago suggesting that he might have done so, but she was too busy to respond.

Painters in that week
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 14, 2019, 02:33:38 AM
Blue paint, mind.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: bgmnts on March 14, 2019, 05:33:32 PM
Obviously not going to watch this but jesus if the Red Letter Media guys can't get a good video out of it, it must be drab. Only lasted 15 mins.

Way too much petty identity politics.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: chveik on March 14, 2019, 06:35:09 PM
a Nextwave film? they are beginning to scrape the barrell.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 15, 2019, 12:52:25 AM
The problem I had with the songs they picked from the 90's were they were a bit obvious. I'm sure this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZxxhxjgnC0 would of been far supiror to using Im Just a Girl. It came across as a soundtrack put together by someone who didn't really like mid 90's music at all.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 15, 2019, 01:03:26 AM
It should have been Shitlist, by L7.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Talulah, really! on March 15, 2019, 10:32:01 AM
Obviously not going to watch this but jesus if the Red Letter Media guys can't get a good video out of it, it must be drab. Only lasted 15 mins.

Way too much petty identity politics.

Can anyone explain to me the fascination with these people? Everytime I've tried, including with this one, I just find them totally lacking in any actual insight or capable of making even an interesting point about the most mundane observations. Here, they moan about the film being standard generic superhero fare and then suggest things that would make it even more prosaic, they say it is non-linear when it isn't, and it is pretty crass that after spending five minutes or so criticising Brie Larson for making some hamfisted  remarks about diversity, which they actually seem to agree with overall, going straight on to starting to review the film by talking about how it has 'that guy', 'yeah him from the other marvel film', 'what's his name....Jumanji Houseman?'

Sorry, it that sounds unduly negative, but genuinely I struggle to understand why they keep being brought up as though their verdicts were particularly important, what am I missing here?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: madhair60 on March 15, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
Red Letter Media is shit, has always been shit, has never made anything even close to a cogent point worth sharing, aren't funny, aren't enlightening, aren't interesting and stand as the patron fucking saints of YouTuber mediocrity. They have nothing to teach and nothing to offer.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 15, 2019, 11:46:42 AM
The Best Of The Worst Show is where the real gold is at with these fellows. Picked out a few little gems for Cab TV from them.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Bad Ambassador on March 15, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
Some of their Half in the Bag shows are interesting - especially when tearing into something worthy of derision - but they REALLY struggle when trying to tackle anything approaching a serious issue. Their privilege really shows through, no more so than when they laid into Ghostbusters 2016 with sufficient glee to make me very uncomfortable. The later Plinkett video was a much-needed redress, in which the film was forensically pulled apart, but in a very thoughtful way and making a point of praising the makers' other work. It was a much more intelligent measured piece.

Best of the Worst is generally excellent. It's a pity that the episode where Rich stumbles through a monologue attempting to summarise the new Neil Breen film also features Max Landis, celebrity rapist and human car alarm.

I recommend Wheel of the Worst 5, in which they watch some incomprehensible Japanese video called SOS, and it gradually dawns on them what they're looking at. I shan't spoil it for you, but its worth your time.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 15, 2019, 12:21:32 PM
I wouldn't consider them comedy geniuses or anything, but they're vastly more entertaining than most of the other Youtube film reviewers - either the utterly bland likes of Chris Stuckman or the trying and failing to be funny Nostalgia Critic and his ilk. Heck, I'd say they're no less insightful than Mark Kermode and people seem to think he's not shit.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Blumf on March 15, 2019, 12:34:47 PM
Their re:View strand is also worth a punt. Focusing on older films that are interesting in one way or another.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 15, 2019, 12:38:27 PM
I wouldn't consider them comedy geniuses or anything, but they're vastly more entertaining than most of the other Youtube film reviewers - either the utterly bland likes of Chris Stuckman or the trying and failing to be funny Nostalgia Critic and his ilk. Heck, I'd say they're no less insightful than Mark Kermode and people seem to think he's not shit.
I can't stand Chris Stuckman, I always got the feeling he would do good reviews for money the shill.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mango Chimes on March 15, 2019, 01:47:14 PM
The problem I had with the songs they picked from the 90's were they were a bit obvious. I'm sure this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZxxhxjgnC0 would of been far supiror to using Im Just a Girl. It came across as a soundtrack put together by someone who didn't really like mid 90's music at all.

It was all hit songs, but I think that's fine - they're mostly heard on the radio, I think Just A Girl's the only non-diagetic one. It's still an unusual soundtrack, and a good one. I was surprised by Elastica as I didn't know they were big in America.

The Just A Girl sequence seems to have annoyed some people as being a bit on the nose, but that also seems influenced by how much people like the song itself. I only wish it was directed and edited a bit better. It wasn't tight enough to the song and clunkily stopped for a dialogue scene, when it really could have benefited from an Edgar Wright treatment, or Tarantino's Crazy 88 sequence. It's also slightly hamstrung by the fact that it's a big fight sequence with people who really pose no realistic threat, but they could have had more fun with launching people around the place to the music.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: SavageHedgehog on March 15, 2019, 02:50:21 PM
Some of their Half in the Bag shows are interesting - especially when tearing into something worthy of derision - but they REALLY struggle when trying to tackle anything approaching a serious issue. Their privilege really shows through, no more so than when they laid into Ghostbusters 2016 with sufficient glee to make me very uncomfortable. The later Plinkett video was a much-needed redress, in which the film was forensically pulled apart, but in a very thoughtful way and making a point of praising the makers' other work. It was a much more intelligent measured piece.

Best of the Worst is generally excellent. It's a pity that the episode where Rich stumbles through a monologue attempting to summarise the new Neil Breen film also features Max Landis, celebrity rapist and human car alarm.

Even as someone with a degree of scepticism about “woke blockbusters”, their hang-up around what they see as “diversity pandering” is tedious. Fair enough to take a brief shot at people buying a ticket to a Disney film and thinking they’ve taken a political stance, but to pop at Brie Larson for ten minutes because of a speech she gave a year ago and which has been dissected on the internet non-stop ever since is, at best, deeply unnecessary.

I haven’t really watched the Best of the Worstes because I rarely enjoy that kind of thing (even MST3K), but I did see the Landis one and even pre-allegations hearing the poster boy for nepotism bellow that anyone, even Neel Breen, shouldn’t be allowed to make a film was galling.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 15, 2019, 03:16:30 PM
a Nextwave film? they are beginning to scrape the barrell.

Wait, are they doing a Nextwave film? Nextwave was fucking brilliant. Something by the Spiderverse bods, scripted (or co-scripted) by Ellis would be amazing.

The problem I had with the songs they picked from the 90's were they were a bit obvious. I'm sure this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZxxhxjgnC0 would of been far supiror to using Im Just a Girl. It came across as a soundtrack put together by someone who didn't really like mid 90's music at all.

Or liked different things to you. I agree that would have been a more fun song for the scene, but the music snobbery ("Oh, if you don't use X I guess you don't like music") is a bit boring.

Rebel Girl was featured in Doom Patrol a couple of weeks back, if you want to hear it in a superhero context.

The Just A Girl sequence seems to have annoyed some people as being a bit on the nose, but that also seems influenced by how much people like the song itself. I only wish it was directed and edited a bit better.

And wasn't lit so badly that it seemed to have been shot through a mouldy fishtank. I can't get over how appalling the cinematography was, Jesus Christ. It's because nobody learns on film any more, so there's less pretty to get it right first time.

And yes, drably directed. There were quite a few fun bits in there, like the beef gun and people being twatted with pinball machines, but it felt weirdly flat.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 15, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
Ignore - post consolidation.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 15, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
Beef gun? If that's not a euphemism, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 15, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Ha. Autocorrected "Nerf gun".
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Delete Delete Delete on March 15, 2019, 05:01:27 PM


Or liked different things to you. I agree that would have been a more fun song for the scene, but the music snobbery ("Oh, if you don't use X I guess you don't like music") is a bit boring.

They also missed the opportunity to use this classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3yCa_Li04Y when she turns up in the post credits sequence. No, I wasn't being a music snob, by using such obvious songs in an obvious way robs them the power to create an iconic moment. Look how Gunn, Tarantino or Wright used music in their body of works and compare it to the use in Captin Marvel or Sucide Squad. Its music mandated by comitte rather than an artistic vision.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 15, 2019, 10:27:53 PM
Well I don't disagree with that, I suppose.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on March 16, 2019, 11:55:01 PM
This was probably the third or fourth best Marvel movie overall.  The only bad parts were the music cues and the Skrull child.

Anyone who disagrees has poor taste.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on March 17, 2019, 12:04:22 AM
Can anyone explain to me the fascination with these people? Everytime I've tried, including with this one, I just find them totally lacking in any actual insight or capable of making even an interesting point about the most mundane observations. Here, they moan about the film being standard generic superhero fare and then suggest things that would make it even more prosaic, they say it is non-linear when it isn't, and it is pretty crass that after spending five minutes or so criticising Brie Larson for making some hamfisted  remarks about diversity, which they actually seem to agree with overall, going straight on to starting to review the film by talking about how it has 'that guy', 'yeah him from the other marvel film', 'what's his name....Jumanji Houseman?'

Sorry, it that sounds unduly negative, but genuinely I struggle to understand why they keep being brought up as though their verdicts were particularly important, what am I missing here?

They are actually quite funny as long as they stay away from politics or contrarian takes on current events. I almost never agree with their takes on movies, but then again I almost never agree with any movie critics. Has anyone ever suggested their verdicts on movies are important?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: colacentral on March 17, 2019, 02:12:32 AM
They are actually quite funny as long as they stay away from politics or contrarian takes on current events. I almost never agree with their takes on movies, but then again I almost never agree with any movie critics. Has anyone ever suggested their verdicts on movies are important?

Yes, every other thread for a new film has someone posting a link with "RLM guys liked it" or "RLM guys didn't like it," so I'd say so.

Baffles me too; load of shit. Not funny, insightful, or likeable at all.

I don't agree with the poster comparing them favourably to Kermode: he can be a pillock but he's a "serious" film buff, someone who'd be up for watching an 8 hour black and white Guatemalan film about a sad pig farmer and say he was in floods of tears during it. That in itself doesn't make his opinion any more valid of course, and everything's subjective anyway, but with RLM we're talking about a fairly superficial level of knowledge and insight in comparison. I'll grant that they are above the likes of youtube chancers like Stuckman etc, but that's a pretty low bar.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: marquis_de_sad on March 17, 2019, 06:01:34 AM
but with RLM we're talking about a fairly superficial level of knowledge and insight in comparison

Everyone has their blind spots and Kermode is definitely no exception there.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: BritishHobo on March 17, 2019, 09:40:38 AM
Red Letter Media are fucking shitehawk, and I'll never understand their deification on the internet, except I do a bit because their view on films is basically the same as any fucker on reddit.

As much as I have to grit my teeth because I fucking hate celebrating shitcunt monopoly bastards like Disney for doing the bare minimum of representation in their films, it's good at least to have a major blockbuster Marvel movie pushing the idea of seeing war from the other side and realising the people demonised as terrorist baddies invading worlds are actually just refugees trying to find a home because the 'good guys' have bombed the shit out of their home. It'll do nothing for your type who are already pissed off by there being a woman one in this, but it's nice to think that message is there for kids who'll grow up with this film.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 17, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
I don't agree with the poster comparing them favourably to Kermode: he can be a pillock but he's a "serious" film buff...
Not his entire critical career perhaps, just the radio show. It also seems to be taken as a piece of entertainment in its own right ("Looking forward to another legendary rant from the good doctor") and the reviews are as deep as a puddle ("It gave me three big laughs").
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on March 17, 2019, 03:08:49 PM
RLM is more of a comedy channel than a movie review channel. They're fairly self-deprecating and don't claim any film expertise (other than perhaps b-movie character actors and obscure 80s horror movies).
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mr_Simnock on March 17, 2019, 10:15:11 PM
Watched this last week and thought it quite good - 8/10.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Lord Mandrake on March 18, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
I was disappointed by this although my daughters were fighting over which one of them is Captain Marvel so I suppose it did it's job. It's certainly the most accessible MCU film to a younger audience which is probably why I found it so juvenile. It was quite hideous in terms of production design and cinematography with early off planet scenes looking very 60's Star Trek and later, Earth bound stuff a bit TV movie. The unexpected take on Talos was my favourite thing about it, the young Sam Jackson looked convincing whilst Coulson looked creepy. 5/10 - Probably only Iron man 3 & Thor 2 are worse.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: phantom_power on March 18, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
I thought Coulson looked generally fine apart from that bit on the stairs when he lets Fury escape and looks like Max Headroom
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: EOLAN on March 19, 2019, 09:32:14 AM
As someone dragged along to this; and finding the opening 20 minutes or so awfully dull both story wise and colour palette and of course having Jude Law there; managed to enjoy it a lot once she hit the Blockbusters. Also liked that one of the big fights with Annette Benning was just in effect Benning putting her hand out and Larson doing a Marcel Marcea impersonation of walking into the wind.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: phantom_power on March 19, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
I will come out as someone who thinks Jude Law has grown into a really good actor. He is good in all his Soderbergh collaborations and he is fucking phenomenal in The Young Pope. He was a bit shit when he was younger and hanging out with Sadie Frost and the like but I think now he is genuinely good
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: SteveDave on March 19, 2019, 02:12:14 PM
Probably only Iron man 3 & Thor 2 are worse.

Iron Man 3 is the best one!
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: SavageHedgehog on March 19, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
I will come out as someone who thinks Jude Law has grown into a really good actor. He is good in all his Soderbergh collaborations and he is fucking phenomenal in The Young Pope. He was a bit shit when he was younger and hanging out with Sadie Frost and the like but I think now he is genuinely good

Me too, although I sometimes wonder if I eventually like anyone if they stick around long enough.

Also, this was better than I expected and not the generic Marvel assembly line sausage I feared/had heard, but it lost me when they spent ages dithering round in that woman's house, and never quite won me back not least as the ending had an overwhelming amount going on, and you wish they'd chosen that point to slow it down a bit.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Lord Mandrake on March 19, 2019, 09:56:54 PM
Iron Man 3 is the best one!

Yeah I meant Iron man 2.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: SteveDave on March 20, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
Yeah I meant Iron man 2.

O yes, that went on for ages and wasted the wonderful Sam Rockwell.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: EOLAN on March 20, 2019, 10:45:08 AM
Me too, although I sometimes wonder if I eventually like anyone if they stick around long enough.

Also, this was better than I expected and not the generic Marvel assembly line sausage I feared/had heard, but it lost me when they spent ages dithering round in that woman's house, and never quite won me back not least as the ending had an overwhelming amount going on, and you wish they'd chosen that point to slow it down a bit.

I quite enjoyed the literally more grounded scenes. In Los Angeles and Louisanna. But then again I don't like comic book movies so what  I like and dislike is probably against what the target audience is seeking.
Re: me finding Jude Law being dull; I can well imagine he was directed to portray him in quite an unspectacular as well. Enjoyed the performance of the main shapeshifter who started as a baddy but turned good when we found out he was made homeless. Was certain it was Tom Hardy. Reminded me a lot about his Jewish character in Peaky Blinders with the vocal mannerisms.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Bad Ambassador on March 20, 2019, 11:34:45 AM
Red Letter Media are fucking shitehawk, and I'll never understand their deification on the internet, except I do a bit because their view on films is basically the same as any fucker on reddit.

They're a little more nuanced than that. Mike and Jay both picked Room as their film of the year and raved about it at length, and Jay and Josh did a video last week about the Suspiria remake - which they both loved - that turned me from actively avoiding it to being genuinely interested in seeing it.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Endicott on March 22, 2019, 12:09:48 PM
Saw it last night. I liked it and there's been some great analysis in this thread from everyone.

- There's a bit in which we flash back over all the times that Brie's character gets back up after a fall

Just replying here to mention that this sequence reminded me very strongly of the climax to Buffy Season 7. The little girl with the baseball bat is almost a direct lift.



Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Kelvin on March 22, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
Watched this last week and thought it quite good - 8/10.

Quite good. 8/10.

Therein lies the success of these films.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 22, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
Complete guff. 2/10.

Therein lies the failure of the DCEU, Dark Universe etc.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Huxleys Babkins on March 22, 2019, 12:54:57 PM
They are basically impossible to fuck up. You've got decades of source material to sift through and an almost limitless budget to make it happen.

It's more of an achievement to end up making something as dreadful as Thor 2 or Justice League.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on March 22, 2019, 12:59:14 PM
I like Thor 2.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: phantom_power on March 22, 2019, 01:12:16 PM
They are basically impossible to fuck up. You've got decades of source material to sift through and an almost limitless budget to make it happen.

It's more of an achievement to end up making something as dreadful as Thor 2 or Justice League.

I think you just have to compare Marvel films to DC ones to see how easy they are to fuck up and how good a job of doing what they set out to achieve they have done. You may not like what they are doing but they are doing it very well
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Kelvin on March 22, 2019, 05:28:40 PM
I was just making a joke about the fact "quite good" films get rated 8 out of 10. I was obviously being a little scamp, but if it makes you feel any better, I totally agree that three or four Marvel films deserve an 8 out of 10.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Lord Mandrake on March 22, 2019, 10:11:18 PM
Saw a cool theory about what happened to the forth Skrull which if it turns out to be true revises my CM score up to 7/10.

Generally MCU films do live in that 7-8/10 comfort zone but the sequence of Ragnarok, Black Panther and Infinity war raised the bar for me.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Small Man Big Horse on March 22, 2019, 10:36:48 PM
Me too, although I sometimes wonder if I eventually like anyone if they stick around long enough.

Yeah, he used to be an actor I strongly disliked but he's definitely growing on me. That said I've never got on with Joaquin Phoenix (despite 99% of the world adoring him I find him an oddly cold and unlikeable actor) and that hasn't changed.


I like Thor 2.

Me too, it's not my favourite by any means and not as good as the first or third, but I'm quite fond of it. It seems a lot of people really dislike the first and give it a good kicking but I think it's a lot of fun, and nowhere near as bad as Iron Man 2.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Mister Six on March 23, 2019, 05:05:06 AM
I love the original Thor - a really charming, funny romp. The only criticism I really have of it is that they should have got rid of Natalie Portman's non-character and made Kat Dennings the love interest. But it's standard Marvel practice for the female lead to be bland as fuck, what can you do?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Phil_A on March 23, 2019, 05:36:58 PM
TBH I thought Thor 2 was the worst thing Marvel Studios have produced so far by a considerable margin

Chris Eccleston completely wasted in a role that could've been played by anyone. Complete tonal mismatch between the visual style the and flailing stabs at humour, which apart from a couple of moments(the best being Thor putting his hammer in the coat-rack, which I believe was a little bit of improv by Hemsworth) fell completely flat.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: The Culture Bunker on March 23, 2019, 05:58:31 PM
I woudn't say Thor 2 was crap, but it's certainly just a rung above it. It has enough moments so I don't regret watching it, and Hemsworth and Hiddleston are always good together. I thought the Hulk film was a lot worse, though - Norton was entirely wrong for the role, though he wasn't alone in that.

A telling sign is that Eccleston, despite playing the main villain of the piece, doesn't even get his name on the DVD cover. I gather he doesn't have many positive memories of the experience either.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on March 23, 2019, 09:38:23 PM
They are basically impossible to fuck up. You've got decades of source material to sift through and an almost limitless budget to make it happen.

It's more of an achievement to end up making something as dreadful as Thor 2 or Justice League.

No way, I'm not saying the MCU is Great Art but the people running it deserve a lot of credit for the keeping this thing running so successfully. The DC films are atrocious and the Star Wars franchise was almost immediately driven into the ground once they started trying to make films regularly (even with the public inexplicably treating Episode VII and Rogue One as good)
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: mothman on March 24, 2019, 12:17:57 PM
A telling sign is that Eccleston, despite playing the main villain of the piece, doesn't even get his name on the DVD cover. I gather he doesn't have many positive memories of the experience either.

Does he ever?
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Glebe on March 24, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
Saw it last night... it's kind of a frustrating watch. Stretches of it are quite entertaining, but it's bogged down a bit by exposition and that.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Glebe on March 25, 2019, 12:12:15 AM
Oh yeah, Larson was very good in it... the deaging of Jackson was brilliantly done... slow Internet gags were funny... the use of No Doubt's 'Just a Girl' in the spaceship battle felt a bit tonally wrong to me somehow.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Hey, Punk! on March 26, 2019, 04:27:32 AM
That in itself doesn't make his opinion any more valid of course

I genuinely believe it does.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: greenman on April 17, 2019, 07:44:10 AM
Finally got around to watching this and I'd agree its pretty standard lower level Marvel. No real problem with law who I'd also agree has become mostly fine to watch, I would say a combination of improvement and his being better cast these days rather than trying to sell him as a standard protagonist to empathise with quite so much. Mendelsohn was definitely a highlight being the only thing that felt genuinely characterful in the film to me, besides that I admit I ended up in the TLJ like position of thinking it was rather too pleased with itself. There seemed to be this continual sense that it felt it was being funnier, cooler(a lot of the 90's references fell painfully flat IMHO) and more interesting than it actually was.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Billy on April 17, 2019, 08:06:56 AM
The only two moments I've ever really, genuinely enjoyed in any Marvel film are Starlord singing the Five Stairsteps and Thor being hit with a ball.
Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: phantom_power on April 18, 2019, 06:59:26 PM
You should probably stop watching them then