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Title: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: BJBMK2 on December 20, 2018, 02:55:37 PM
I mean, yes obviously.

But does the degree of cuntishness change the older you get? I mean, anyone watching the film at a young age, he's deffeintly in the category of "lovable rouge". A kind of fantasy wish figure, almost a Bugs Bunny type, outsmarting all the grown ups and Boring People, being cool and effortless and funny and charming and just all round brilliant.

That's when you watch FBDO in your teens or even early 20's. Flash forward a few years later (i.e today), and he just...comes off as a bit of a bellend. He uses and manipulates those around him, bullies Cameron into stealing his dads Ferrari, and generally comes off as a bit of a sociopathic tosser. The kind of attention seeking class clown you get in every office.

Some of you lot will probably be able to articulate this better then me. Essentially, does Ferris become less likeable the older you get, or was he ALWAYS less likeable?

Or maybe I'm just a boring old fart now.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on December 20, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
There was an almost identical thread about this several years ago and, from memory, it was revealed that there was quite a large number of people (outside of these blue walls) who had turned against the film in (then) recent years, for that very reason.

I still like the film, regardless.  And despite Matthew Broderick being a hit and run killer.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: BJBMK2 on December 20, 2018, 03:05:16 PM
Oh I still love the film, I'm watching it now (ironically, while skipping work), and it still holds up beautifully. Everything about it shines for me, except the title character.

Cameron's the  real star of the show.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: St_Eddie on December 20, 2018, 03:11:27 PM
This topic of discussion is a fairly common one among film circles and I'd say that the answer is a resounding 'yes'.  Ferret Beluga definitely changes from being someone to aspire to and into someone you want to hit over the head with a very large brick, the older you get.  The only way to watch this film as an adult, is to adopt the popular theory that the impish Ferret is a figment of Cameron's warped and fever ridden psyche; a means to express his pent up frustrations, Fight Club style.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: BlodwynPig on December 20, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Ive met the guy and he’s definitely a c*n***** now
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on December 20, 2018, 03:18:16 PM
It's just a reflection of getting older though, isn't it, which is one of the reasons the film still works - when we're young kids we identify with the rebellious Ferris, desperate to bunk off school and enjoy ourselves with our friends instead, as we grow into older teenagers we then identify with Cameron and Ferris' sister, feeling like the whole world is against us and incredulous at any imposing of authority.  And then, as adults, we become Rooney(*) and Cameron's dad - bewildered at the kids being complete dumbasses and doing completely idiotic things.

(*) - the character, not the real life nonce he's played by
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Phil_A on December 20, 2018, 04:25:58 PM
It's just a reflection of getting older though, isn't it, which is one of the reasons the film still works - when we're young kids we identify with the rebellious Ferris, desperate to bunk off school and enjoy ourselves with our friends instead, as we grow into older teenagers we then identify with Cameron and Ferris' sister, feeling like the whole world is against us and incredulous at any imposing of authority.  And then, as adults, we become Rooney(*) and Cameron's dad - bewildered at the kids being complete dumbasses and doing completely idiotic things.

(*) - the character, not the real life nonce he's played by

Cameron's dad who never appears in the film? Eh?

Honestly, anyone who think film Ferris is too much of a dick should try watching the horrible TV show, the smirking little shitbag they got for that Ferris will make you long for some hot Broderick action.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: bgmnts on December 20, 2018, 04:59:51 PM
Aye Ferris is a bit of a cunt but, probably, a lot of that stems from envy.

Good film though.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Gulftastic on December 20, 2018, 05:28:57 PM
I think he has a bit of self awareness though. I like the scene where he talks down to the car park guy, asking 'Do you speak English?' to be met with 'What country do you think this is?'. His look to camera seems to at least suggest that his internal monologue is saying 'Yeah, that was a dickhead question.'
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Thursday on December 20, 2018, 06:13:03 PM
Shit for cunts.

Like everything John Hughes directed.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Thursday on December 20, 2018, 06:13:47 PM
Don't think I've actually seen many of them all the way though.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: St_Eddie on December 20, 2018, 06:22:37 PM
Shit for cunts.

Like everything John Hughes directed.

The Breakfast Club is a genuine 80's classic, in my opinion, as is Planes, Trains and Automobiles.  I used to like Sixteen Candles as a kid but it's dated horribly (there's some horrific racism and rape culture stuff in there) and as such, retrospectively, I just can't enjoy that film anymore.  Uncle Buck is fun but ultimately quite forgettable.  I think that the best thing that John Hughes ever did was to write National Lampoon's Vacation.  His extensive and awful latter day career, comprised of blatant 'cashing-the-cheque' kids movies (for example, Flubber and Home Alone 3) was a sad way for him to bow out of this life.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on December 20, 2018, 06:34:59 PM
Cameron's dad who never appears in the film? Eh?

Obviously I'm imagining his reaction to finding out his Ferrari (or whatever it is) has a few dents.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Glebe on December 21, 2018, 03:15:55 AM
[tag]Long-awaited sequel title "somewhat inappropriate."[/tag]
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 21, 2018, 05:42:31 AM
I was 14 when I first watched this film, and hated Ferris immediately. I didn't find his antics amusing in the slightest as all I could think about was how awful it would be having a twat like that in your life.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: madhair60 on December 21, 2018, 08:23:59 AM
Shit for cunts.

Like everything John Hughes directed.

PLANES TRAINS. PLANES TRAINS. PLANES. TRAINS. YOU CUNT.

Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on December 21, 2018, 08:24:58 AM
PLANES TRAINS. PLANES TRAINS. PLANES. TRAINS. YOU CUNT.

Don't forget Uncle Buck and Weird Science as well.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: MuteBanana on December 21, 2018, 08:52:12 AM
What was it Charlie Sheen said to the sister? "Your problem isn't with Ferris, it's with yourself." Yeah think about that.

I seem to remember him justifying his manipulation of Cameron by suggesting it was good for him to rebel and cut loose every once in a while.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Shit Good Nose on December 21, 2018, 08:55:36 AM
A timely reminder that Alan Ruck was 30 when he played Cameron, and Ben "Bueller...Bueller" Stein was Nixon and Ford's chief speech writer before becoming an actor.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: icehaven on December 21, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
Obligatory mention that Bueller was originally meant to be played by Robert Downey Jnr. but he went too mad on drugs so it went to his rival for the affections of Horseface Jessica Parker. I do love the film but it would have been about 50 times better if RDJ had done it.

I suppose it's a bit like the Goonies and Breakfast Club and others in that if you didn't first watch them when you were a kid/in your teens, they'll never quite hold the same cache. I still enjoy Ferris but yeah if I'd never seen it and watched it now aged nearly 40 I'd probably find him hard to like. It's a bit like Catcher in the Rye in that respect, if you haven't read it by your early 20s you shouldn't bother. 
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 21, 2018, 09:58:53 AM

I suppose it's a bit like the Goonies and Breakfast Club and others in that if you didn't firstwatch them when you were a kid/in your teens, they'll never quite hold the same cache.

I can vouch for that. I watched The Goonies for the first time when I was 41, and it struck me as nothing more than a passable Sunday afternoon kid's film. Spielberg by numbers.

I'm not so middle-aged and jaded that I can't enjoy a bit of entertaining escapism, but that film just isn't very good. It's okay at best.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: buzby on December 21, 2018, 12:15:07 PM
Obviously I'm imagining his reaction to finding out his Ferrari (or whatever it is) has a few dents.
It was supposed to be a 1961 Ferrari 250GT California Spyder SWB.  In reality it was a replica called the Modena GT Spyder California, built on a tube frame chassis with a Ford V8 engine and fibreglass bodywork. Three were built for the film, two driveable ones (one was fitted with an automatic gearbox as Broderick couldn't drive a manual). and one rolling chassis that was used for the scene where it's destroyed. For close-ups, a real Ferrari was brought in to a soundstage to shoot inserts.

The main 'hero' car was sold back to Modena after filming (Chassis #3), was restored and sold for $407000 at auction in August. For comparison, a real 1961 250GT California sold for $17.16 million at auction in 2016.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Chollis on December 21, 2018, 12:31:48 PM
Solid poster imo
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on December 21, 2018, 12:54:56 PM
I saw this years ago.  The recurring use of Sigue-Sigue Sputnik's 'Shoot It Up' was welcome to me, as I have a soft spot for that track.  There was also a shrewd quote: 'You can't respect someone with their tongue up your backside.'
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Chriddof on December 21, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
Sigue-Sigue Sputnik's 'Shoot It Up'

Do you mean "Love Missile F1-11", or did they have another song with that title / lyric?
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Phoenix Lazarus on December 21, 2018, 10:05:31 PM
Do you mean "Love Missile F1-11", or did they have another song with that title / lyric?

Yes I do.  Just making sure you're all awake, of course.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 06, 2019, 01:30:36 AM
Ive met the guy and he’s definitely a c*n***** now

YOUR ALL BLOCKED
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: BlodwynPig on January 06, 2019, 09:58:07 AM
YOUR ALL BLOCKED

YOU’RE

Typical c*nadian
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: KennyMonster on January 06, 2019, 11:44:22 AM
The Breakfast Club is a genuine 80's classic, .................

Yeah, the way they 'solve' Ally Sheedy's character by making her conform as a soon to be Stepford Wife type so she'll be 'accepted' by the jock and therefore a worthwhile human.

Great stuff.

Classic.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: kngen on January 06, 2019, 03:09:14 PM
Yeah, the way they 'solve' Ally Sheedy's character by making her conform as a soon to be Stepford Wife type so she'll be 'accepted' by the jock and therefore a worthwhile human.

Great stuff.

Classic.

Yeah, that bit always rankled. Also, I wanted Emilio Estevez to kick fuck out of Judd Nelson because he was Otto in Repo Man, therefore far more punk rock than that silly, bracelet-wearing poser. Not Hughes's intention, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on January 06, 2019, 03:24:13 PM
YOU’RE

Typical c*nadian

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaftLimmy/status/644839854510067716/photo/1

To keep this relevant to the thread and avoid derailing - the character is a complete dickhead. Smarmy ‘80s cunt.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: St_Eddie on January 06, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
Yeah, the way they 'solve' Ally Sheedy's character by making her conform as a soon to be Stepford Wife type so she'll be 'accepted' by the jock and therefore a worthwhile human.

Great stuff.

Classic.

Woke up, fell out of bed
Dragged a comb across my head

I don't appreciate the moral of that particular plot point either.  Nor do care for your aspersions, quite frankly.

Is The Breakfast Club dated as a movie?  Yes, absolutely.  Are some of the morals within said movie questionable?  No doubt.  Does that therefore, by extension, mean that I excuse and condone dubious moral behaviour and hate women?  Fuck, no!  Do I enjoy the movie regardless and feel comfortable sleeping at night?  You better believe I do.

My taste in entertainment does not reflect my political beliefs.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: McChesney Duntz on January 07, 2019, 04:33:41 AM
This whole conversation is ridiculous and off the point. Everybody knows the real problem with The Breakfast Club is that four of them wind up paired up with one another, and the fifth... GETS TO WRITE THE PAPER? BASICALLY JUST DOES EVERYBODY'S FUCKING ASSIGNMENT FOR THEM? AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BUY THAT HE'S HAPPY ABOUT IT?

I was so pissed off about that that I eventually took my complaint right to the source: https://books.google.com/books?id=-tJPVDQ2ToUC&pg=PT94&lpg=PT94&dq=john+hughes+william+ham&source=bl&ots=XOCCf7c5-C&sig=6LGjcJhaL5f1KqHFGYDJNj0VKIc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi57YCd69rfAhXEj1QKHcw9B-gQ6AEwDXoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20hughes%20william%20ham&f=false
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 07, 2019, 07:47:18 AM
Quick tip: you aren't being invited to like, idolise or agree with Ferris Bueller

Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
Please disregard my previous post.  It was needlessly defensive.  Whenever will I realise that alcohol and forums do not mix!
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: KennyMonster on January 07, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
Please disregard my previous post.  It was needlessly defensive.  Whenever will I realise that alcohol and forums do not mix!

That's OK, I'm probably too quick to find reasons to not like stuff sometimes, you know, the kind of decisions Smiths fans have to go through every time Morrisey opens his mouth.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: gatchamandave on January 07, 2019, 08:52:10 PM
Wow, I just watched an episode of Orange is the New Black which discussed in passing a theory that Ferris doesn't exist but is a projected fantasy by a Cameron who never actually leaves his bedroom.

Just thought you might like to know that's out there as a fan theory.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: St_Eddie on January 07, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
Wow, I just watched an episode of Orange is the New Black which discussed in passing a theory that Ferris doesn't exist but is a projected fantasy by a Cameron who never actually leaves his bedroom.

Just thought you might like to know that's out there as a fan theory.

...The only way to watch this film as an adult, is to adopt the popular theory that the impish Ferret is a figment of Cameron's warped and fever ridden psyche; a means to express his pent up frustrations, Fight Club style.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: icehaven on January 08, 2019, 09:45:13 AM
If everything apart from the scenes in Cameron's bedroom and the bit where he trashes the car are all in his imagination then that sort of works, but there's still too many parts that don't involve Cameron, Ferris or Sloane at all, all the stuff with Ferris' sister, and Mr. Rooney. Although I suppose as their hassles are a knock-on effect from being anti-Ferris it could be that Cameron's just adding lots of extra details to his fantasy of this Teflon righteous dude that everyone with any sense loves.

I'm overanalysing it now I think.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: phantom_power on January 08, 2019, 10:05:35 AM
It is one of those theories that is nifty and all but doesn't hold up to even the slightest scrutiny and I imagine is created and spread by people who haven't seen the film in 20 years. There is a whole conversation between Sloane and Cameron when Ferris isn't around. How does that work?
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Post by: gilbertharding on January 08, 2019, 02:40:57 PM

And despite Matthew Broderick being a hit and run killer.

Yeah - no. He very much didn't run, not least because he broke his leg, ribs, collapsed lung, concussion... you could argue that the justice system 'let him off' and you might wonder why, but there we are.

I like the classic John Hughes film, in spite of not seeing them until I was a bit older. I don't swallow them whole though - I see them as knockabout comedies with very nice photography and smart, quotable dialogue. Politically, of course, they're irredeemable, but a lot of nostalgia is.
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Post by: Hey, Punk! on January 09, 2019, 04:15:06 PM
I just hate these kinds of films in general, I loathe everything I've seen from John Hughes. There seems to be a conspiracy in the Anglosphere to pretend that Home Alone and this are great.

Do not get it. At all.
Title: Re: Ferris Bueller: Cunt?
Post by: gilbertharding on January 09, 2019, 05:15:19 PM
There's a 'conspiracy in the Anglosphere' to pretend that LOTS of things are great. This is the modern disease: everything must be superlative.

Home Alone, Ferris Bueller, etc are fine screwball comedies, with some pretty funny sequences and they evoke nostalgic feelings for lots of people who were young when they first saw them. They're fine.