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Title: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on March 08, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
The producers have decided to pull the Michael Jackson episode from distribution in all mediums, following the recent documentary:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-simpsons-michael-jackson-removed-20190307-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Post by: magval on March 08, 2019, 01:26:30 PM
Watched that a few weeks ago and cried a wee bit at the end when Lisa hugs Bart because of how fucking brilliant it is.

Not sure how to feel about this decision so think I'll just not think about it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Petey Pate on March 08, 2019, 02:02:20 PM
The producers have decided to pull the Michael Jackson episode from distribution in all mediums, following the recent documentary:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-simpsons-michael-jackson-removed-20190307-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Michael Jackson wasn't even it though, it was some guy called John Jay Smith.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: SavageHedgehog on March 08, 2019, 02:19:16 PM
The joke in Bart Sells His Soul where Bart says a soul is something made up to scare kids "like the Boogeyman or Michael Jackson" is the joke that Bart thought MJ was made up, or that the allegations were made up? Or is the genius that it can (or could) play both ways?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Bobloblawslawbomb on March 08, 2019, 02:28:10 PM
Michael Jackson wasn't even it though, it was some guy called John Jay Smith.

That was a pseudonym I think. On the commentary on the dvds the writers/producers talk about the secrecy around getting MJ in to do the voice. Unless they were joking of course.

Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on March 08, 2019, 02:46:26 PM
The joke in Bart Sells His Soul where Bart says a soul is something made up to scare kids "like the Boogeyman or Michael Jackson" is the joke that Bart thought MJ was made up, or that the allegations were made up? Or is the genius that it can (or could) play both ways?

I thought it was because he was a creepy-looking invention of the press (ie his life was blown out of all proportion) and often discussed by adults, not specifically referring to allegations. I think that’s too dark for the Simpsons really.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Jerzy Bondov on March 08, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
I thought it was because he looked like a monster
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Petey Pate on March 08, 2019, 02:48:12 PM
It's a reference to the Pete Best song 'Michael Jackson was made up to scare kids'.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: colacentral on March 08, 2019, 03:13:52 PM
That was a pseudonym I think. On the commentary on the dvds the writers/producers talk about the secrecy around getting MJ in to do the voice. Unless they were joking of course.

I think they say that Jackson did the speaking parts but an impersonator did the singing parts. They also mention that Jackson specifically requested a scene where he's alone with Bart in the treehouse, and mention how weird that is in retrospect. Luckily I don't think they did it, so Jackson couldn't fiddle with himself imagining getting Bart to suck his nipples (Though I expect this is depicted somewhere on DeviantArt).

It's ridiculous that they're pulling that episode from ALL media. Would they object to racist stuff in Looney Tunes etc getting released on physical media? I'd seriously doubt it. I'm fine with it not being aired on TV again but it shouldn't be erased from history. It's a great episode too, not some season 50 shite.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: SavageHedgehog on March 08, 2019, 03:35:17 PM
I do think removing it from DVD and Blu-Ray release is a bit extreme, although it will increase the value of my copy I bought three years ago (when no one could have possibly suspected such things)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: BritishHobo on March 08, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
It does seem a bit strange given that, well... we all know about it. It's not as if it's a recent episode that may have only been seen by a few people, or an unreleased one. It's pretty firmly lodged in the consciousness of fans, as well as being pretty firmly lodged on every bloody DVD copy of season 3 that exists in the world. Given how long the show has been going, if there are any new fans who are dedicated enough to go back to the beginning, I'm sure they'll find it.

If there's some aspect of the episode that means money still goes to the Jackson estate, that will make sense. Otherwise it seems a fairly empty gesture.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Petey Pate on March 08, 2019, 03:44:13 PM
It should remain on any future DVD releases, but with an introduction by Whoppi Goldberg explaining that things were different thirty years ago.

I was joking with some friends the other day that a #metoo scandal may be the one thing that ends The Simpsons. If only they had made Michael Jackson a regular cast member after season 11...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Blumf on March 08, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
Meanwhile, 14 years in the future:

"Fox are pulling The Simpson's episode Lisa Goes Gaga from all media and re-runs.

Said the undying body of James L. Brooks 'Nothing to do with any historical sexual assault allegations, it's just so fucking shit!'"
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Replies From View on March 08, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
They'll come for the episodes that guest-starred Jim'll Savile next.  :(
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: The Giggling Bean on March 08, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
They'll come for the episodes that guest-starred Jim'll Savile next.  :(

They reissued a Doctor Who DVD minus a "Jim'll Fix It" extra, so that's already happened.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Replies From View on March 10, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
They reissued a Doctor Who DVD minus a "Jim'll Fix It" extra, so that's already happened.

The tragedy will not be complete until Jim’ll Savile has been excised from The Simpsons.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Glebe on March 11, 2019, 07:46:53 PM
It's a good thing Jackson never appeared in Who.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: ajsmith2 on March 11, 2019, 08:26:09 PM
It's a good thing Jackson never appeared in Who.

A close shave: https://doctorwhowatch.com/2017/01/24/michael-jackson-almost-doctor/

According to this article, he was 'quite keen' on the idea of taking the lead role for himself in 1988.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Replies From View on March 11, 2019, 08:44:59 PM
A close shave

Wallace and Gromit too??
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: St_Eddie on March 11, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
A close shave: https://doctorwhowatch.com/2017/01/24/michael-jackson-almost-doctor/

According to this article, he was 'quite keen' on the idea of taking the lead role for himself in 1988.

He also wanted to play Jar Jar Binks in The Phantom Menace.  No, really. (https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/michael-jackson-wanted-to-play-jar-jar-binks-in-star-wars-56736/)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Replies From View on March 11, 2019, 09:19:19 PM
And also he wanted to play Gordon Brittas in The Brittas Empire.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: petrilTanaka on March 11, 2019, 11:44:48 PM
And he also wanted to play left wing back for Scotland at France '98. Tosh McKinlay the better choice though
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Glebe on March 12, 2019, 12:39:23 AM
A close shave: https://doctorwhowatch.com/2017/01/24/michael-jackson-almost-doctor/

According to this article, he was 'quite keen' on the idea of taking the lead role for himself in 1988.

Crikey!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Bad Ambassador on March 12, 2019, 09:26:59 AM
He had a cameo in Men in Black II, so expect Film4 to push out an edited version of that fairly soon.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: popcorn on April 17, 2019, 08:33:10 AM
It does seem a bit strange given that, well... we all know about it. It's not as if it's a recent episode that may have only been seen by a few people, or an unreleased one. It's pretty firmly lodged in the consciousness of fans, as well as being pretty firmly lodged on every bloody DVD copy of season 3 that exists in the world. Given how long the show has been going, if there are any new fans who are dedicated enough to go back to the beginning, I'm sure they'll find it.

If there's some aspect of the episode that means money still goes to the Jackson estate, that will make sense. Otherwise it seems a fairly empty gesture.

I think they don't want to be seen making further money from a sex offender.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Ham Bap on April 17, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
Is this gonna come to that Disney streaming channel in the UK?
I’ve thought a couple of times to load up on series 1-10 on DVD but a streaming channel would be perfect.
With Sky One having rights over here tho I’m not sure
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Ignatius_S on April 17, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
Is this gonna come to that Disney streaming channel in the UK?
I’ve thought a couple of times to load up on series 1-10 on DVD but a streaming channel would be perfect.
With Sky One having rights over here tho I’m not sure

Probably – it’s been announced in the States - https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/the-simpsons-streaming-disney-plus-1203187595/.

The Sky deal over here will complicate matters as you say. However, Disney has a track record of doing deals (including cutting large cheques) to quickly resolve rights issues over IPs that it buys – maybe both companies will broadcast it over here?

One thing particularly interesting is that the FXX Simpsons streaming deal has some time to left – pretty sure that it was a ten-year deal, so on the basis of the above story, it could be five years. FXX is owned by Disney, so that will be make things a little easier to sort out – there doesn’t appear to have been an official statement about what’s going to happen with the FFX service, but from reports like the Variety one and mention of ‘exclusively’ makes it sound like it will be Disney Plus only.

Another one is that in order to do the FXX deal, there had to be some careful negotiating with Fox Broadcasting. Under the latter’s deal with 20th Century Fox, I don’t think Disney can just go ahead and add the show to a streaming service.
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Post by: DrGreggles on April 17, 2019, 02:16:41 PM
I’ve thought a couple of times to load up on series 1-10 on DVD

Do it. The episodes are uncut and the extras are terrific.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: greenman on April 18, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
It's a good thing Jackson never appeared in Who.

The end of Dragonfire?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: magval on April 18, 2019, 01:08:54 PM
Do it. The episodes are uncut and the extras are terrific.

I'd go further, don't even bother with 8-10. But yes, Simpsons commentary tracks are worth every penny.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: alan nagsworth on April 18, 2019, 03:07:56 PM
The FXX/Disney service is/will be a load of bollocks anyway, since they crop the top and bottom strips off so that the picture fits modern screens. Some of the shots where it's a frame of one character's head talking now appear ridiculously magnified as a result of this, like the kind of zoom you'd have if a character said something dramatic, or if we were hearing their inner monologue. It looks like crap. Get the old DVDs for the unedited square aspect ratio, and for the other above mentioned reasons.
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Post by: JamesTC on April 18, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
I'd go further, don't even bother with 8-10. But yes, Simpsons commentary tracks are worth every penny.
You miss out Season 8 and you miss out on Hank Scorpio, Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Poochie and The X Files.

I've never seen anybody go as far back as Season 8 outside of the Zombie Simpsons people who seem very overly dramatic on the quality drop off.

The Simpsons didn't turn shit overnight. It was a slow decline. The seasons from 9 or 10 onwards that are nowhere near as good as the first few seasons but it is still ruddy good TV (up to a certain point). The problem Season 9 through 13 or 14 have is that they have such a high benchmark for comparison. It is like the ninth season of Seinfeld which is still brilliant but just not as good as the previous six seasons.


I actually had a conversation a few weeks ago with somebody who is still watching new Simpsons. They didn't think it had really declined too much. I decided to rewatch every episode out on DVD and rank them out of 10 to see how far it declines and how steady the decline is. I've just bought Season 18 so I have everything up to The Movie. A fair few episodes in Season 18 that I haven't seen so that is definitely when I stopped watching.

I'm actually looking forward to revisiting The Simpsons. I watched them so much as a kid that I have barely watched it in the last 10 years. Even on the DVDs I would just watch with commentary. I have watched two episodes of The Simpsons in the last two years (the Frank Grimes episode and the Pinchy episode) which is just crazy considering how much I used to watch it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on April 18, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
^I’m sure I read some chap’s blog where he watched every episode (including the modern ones) and rated them all, but I can’t find it now. It is worth skimming as he reviews the episodes one at a time

Edit: here ya go https://meblogwritegood.wordpress.com
If you watch the whole lot, you can follow that and see how it tallies with your ongoing opinions
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: JamesTC on April 19, 2019, 12:41:10 AM
^I’m sure I read some chap’s blog where he watched every episode (including the modern ones) and rated them all, but I can’t find it now. It is worth skimming as he reviews the episodes one at a time

Edit: here ya go https://meblogwritegood.wordpress.com
If you watch the whole lot, you can follow that and see how it tallies with your ongoing opinions

Thanks for that. Will read as I go along.

I decided to take a look at a random episode from the newer seasons to see what he thinks. This is from the review of the episode Kamp Krustier:
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One good line/moment: FUCKING BLANK.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: FerriswheelBueller on April 19, 2019, 12:43:02 AM
Thanks for that. Will read as I go along.

I decided to take a look at a random episode from the newer seasons to see what he thinks. This is from the review of the episode Kamp Krustier:

Yeah you can read it as an ongoing review of a long running TV show, or one man’s descent into madness. Towards the end he derives negative pleasure from the whole setup, but feels bound to complete his task anyway.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: JamesTC on May 06, 2019, 09:31:02 PM
So I started rewatching soon after my post. After not watching anything other than The Simpsons for the last few weeks, I am through the "classic" era.

A few thoughts:

Season 1 was a lot worse than I remember. Perhaps I am being harsh as they are finding their way but it is so depressing and lacking in humour. If Bart isn't getting bullied (and this is played relatively seriously) and Lisa isn't depressed then Homer is going to commit suicide.

Season 4-8 is just so consistently great. Even a couple of the clip shows are above average episodes. None of the proper episodes fall below above average. This is pretty much unprecedented to sustain this level of consistency with not a single miss in 4 seasons of US TV.

I don't think Season 10 is a huge downturn in quality. It continues to ramp up the wackiness and it doesn't feel quite as packed in with jokes as the classic era but there are still a good number of classics in there.

I unashamedly love Mr Pinchy. It is my favourite B plot in all of The Simpsons. Homer is at maximum Flanderization but it doesn't matter a jot. The innocence from Homer is so heartwarming. Genuinely saddened by the end.

Season 11 definitely feels like a huge turning point. The ADHD episode was a real eye-opener. What other people consider Marge Be Not Proud to be, I consider that episode to be. It is the episode where the decline is so evident. There are a few good episodes throughout the season but they are few and far between. Faith Off and Missionary Impossible are the standouts but there is a huge amount of bad misses.

Looking ahead to Season 12, it seems to have a few more memorable episodes so it may not be an absolute total decline at this point.

The first nine seasons of The Simpsons parallel so well with Seinfeld. A dodgy first season. A second and third season that slowly find their way and by the end have found their footing. A classic run from Season 4-7. A wackier approach to Season 8 but still retaining the quality. A Season 9 that ramps up the wackiness a little more and is showing signs of a downturn. While Jerry Seinfeld resisted the ridiculous money (and a jet) offered for a Season 10 as he knew they were all working too hard to keep up the quality, The Simpsons just lost more writers and had to replace them but the new blood couldn't keep up the quality.

I also see a lot of Family Guy in Season 8-10. It makes sense as these are the season just as Family Guy was starting. Family Guy is to The Simpsons Season 8-10 what The Orville is to Star Trek TNG: do the same thing but make it cruder. Not an original observation I admit but it is very noticeable after watching Family Guy how this era of The Simpsons would employ the cutaway joke.


Watching the episode with Homer getting raped by a panda right now.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: alan nagsworth on May 06, 2019, 09:46:00 PM
damn you just dropped seasons 2 and 3 like cold potatoes there huh

Nah, I agree with a fair bit of what you said here, but I do think those early seasons deserve more credit. Almost everything about season 1 is considered timeless only because of its actual place in history and not really because it's any good as a standalone thing, but seasons 2 and 3 actually have episodes (quite a lot) that stand out and are a lot closer to the show's inevitable trajectory of becoming a brilliant, "timeless" thing.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: JamesTC on May 06, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
damn you just dropped seasons 2 and 3 like cold potatoes there huh

Nah, I agree with a fair bit of what you said here, but I do think those early seasons deserve more credit. Almost everything about season 1 is considered timeless only because of its actual place in history and not really because it's any good as a standalone thing, but seasons 2 and 3 actually have episodes (quite a lot) that stand out and are a lot closer to the show's inevitable trajectory of becoming a brilliant, "timeless" thing.

Early Season 2 struggles a little to find its way. Season 2 has a few that hover above average with a couple of real standouts. The first outright classic is One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish. I'd put Old Money up there too. I'm laughing to myself thinking about Grandpa Simpson screaming to himself as the rollercoaster goes up.

Season 3 then has a good number of memorable episodes dotted throughout. Much like Season 10-12, they have the standouts but just don't have the consistency from episode to episode.

Honestly, they can pull Stark Raving Dad all they like. It isn't very good. Although there is a fair amount of surprisingly dodgy humour (homophobic and transphobic) in the classic era that makes me wonder if there might soon be a backlash against more episodes.

Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: JamesTC on May 06, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
There was a really awkward joke in Season 11 about Andy Dick and drugs (in the rubbish ADHD episode). Were the accusations about Andy Dick's involvement in Phil Hartman's death known about at that time? Because if they were it is a really fucking shitty thing for the writers to put in.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: bigfatheart on May 06, 2019, 11:12:08 PM
They might have been known among people within the industry, but my understanding is it didn't become public until the fight between Dick and Jon Lovitz, which was a good few years afterwards. Doesn't seem like it based on the joke, to me at least - seems more just to be a reference to Dick having a reputation as an, at the time, harmless eccentric, coupled with the open secret that Dick was a drug addict. To most people at the time he'd just have been the naive man-child from NewsRadio, not a serial knob-unveiler and groper with links to a couple of deaths.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Menu on May 07, 2019, 02:50:19 AM
They might have been known among people within the industry, but my understanding is it didn't become public until the fight between Dick and Jon Lovitz, which was a good few years afterwards. Doesn't seem like it based on the joke, to me at least - seems more just to be a reference to Dick having a reputation as an, at the time, harmless eccentric, coupled with the open secret that Dick was a drug addict. To most people at the time he'd just have been the naive man-child from NewsRadio, not a serial knob-unveiler and groper with links to a couple of deaths.

I never knew that Andy Dick/Phil Hartman thing. God what a tragic waste of talent. The Simpsons really missed him. I still believe they should have got Billy West in to do a similar character to Troy McClure/Lionel Hutz because his Zapp Brannigan in Futurama is eerily reminiscent of Hartman's work. That sort of character is perfect for The Simpsons.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: St_Eddie on May 07, 2019, 03:05:08 AM
I still believe they should have got Billy West in to do a similar character to Troy McClure/Lionel Hutz because his Zapp Brannigan in Futurama is eerily reminiscent of Hartman's work.

You might already be aware of this but the character of Zapp Brannigan was written for Phil Hartman.  Billy West was cast in the role following Hartman's death.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: Menu on May 07, 2019, 03:08:48 AM
You might already be aware of this but the character of Zapp Brannigan was written for Phil Hartman.  Billy West replaced him in the role after his death.

Ah that makes perfect sense. Thank you, I'm even more surprised then that they didn't bring BW in to do a Hartmanesque character in The Simpsons. Obvs he couldn't have done McClure or Hutz but just another one - WHO WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THOSE TWO.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Simpsons episode pulled from distribution [split topic]
Post by: St_Eddie on May 07, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
Ah that makes perfect sense. Thank you, I'm even more surprised then that they didn't bring BW in to do a Hartmanesque character in The Simpsons. Obvs he couldn't have done McClure or Hutz but just another one - WHO WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THOSE TWO.

Professor Frink: "I have combined the DNA of Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz.  I now present to you new character Troy Hutz.  Uhhh... glavin."
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Post by: bgmnts on May 07, 2019, 03:37:38 PM
Undoubtedly one of the best episodes of the Simpsons.

"Lisa it's your birthday, happy birthday Lisa"

Christ season 3 of the Simpsons is really, really, really good comedy. It's not even the best episode of that season* for fucksake.



*its Homer at the Bat, for anyone interested.
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 07, 2019, 03:44:11 PM
Undoubtedly one of the best episodes of the Simpsons.

"Lisa it's your birthday, happy birthday Lisa"

Christ season 3 of the Simpsons is really, really, really good comedy. It's not even the best episode of that season* for fucksake.



*its Homer at the Bat, for anyone interested.

I'd probably go for Radio Bart.
Or maybe Bart the Lover - just for the "I can't help but feel partially responsible" line.
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Post by: FerriswheelBueller on May 07, 2019, 03:48:11 PM
Nah it’s Homer at the Bat.

People still yell at Don Mattingly to “trim those sideburns” even though he’s approaching 60 and hasn’t played a game since the mid ‘90s. That’s hilarious, and for that reason alone it’s the best one. It’s also a good ep.
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Post by: alan nagsworth on May 07, 2019, 04:20:42 PM
Early Season 2 struggles a little to find its way. Season 2 has a few that hover above average with a couple of real standouts. The first outright classic is One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish. I'd put Old Money up there too. I'm laughing to myself thinking about Grandpa Simpson screaming to himself as the rollercoaster goes up.

damn you  dropped a load of amazing episodes like cold potatoes there huh

Mate! “Bart Gets an F” is the season premiere and that shit is absolute fire. Again, mentioning the show’s place in history and how that episode is not only timeless but a fantastic reaction to the criticism the show was receiving at the time, it’s honestly brilliant.

Also, there’s “Dead Putting Society”, “Oh Brother Where Art Thou?”, “Bart the Daredevil” which features the impeccably funny gorge jump scene, and “Lisa’s Substitute”, which I will defend to the death as one of the show’s all time greatest episodes.

I’d argue that the only thing still finding its feet in season 2 is the humour. There’s glorious pathos to enjoy in much of the character development, which springs out of the gate compared to how arrested it is in season 1. And as for season 3, I really think you’re dealing that a bad hand too. The humour, as noted in the above posts, is very much well formed and precise by this point.
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Post by: daf on May 07, 2019, 05:03:58 PM
Season 1 was a lot worse than I remember.

I remember seeing an episode from series 1 for the first time on the big screen at the Cardiff Animation festival in 1992 * (I think it was 'Call of the Simpsons' - where they go Camping).

It totally blew everyones socks off - like we'd never seen anything like it before (which is odd for an animation festival  - and as if everyone had collective amnesia of all the gut-busting Bugs Bunny, Daffy Ducks & Foghorn Leghorns we'd ever seen.)

Now it looks really rough, but coming at it from the 'front end' it was like Beatlemania for a while there.

- - - - - -
* (where I bumped into Rolf Harris coming out of the bogs - me going in, he coming out - true story!!)
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Post by: QDRPHNC on May 07, 2019, 05:24:08 PM
The Simpsons didn't turn shit overnight. It was a slow decline. The seasons from 9 or 10 onwards that are nowhere near as good as the first few seasons but it is still ruddy good TV (up to a certain point). The problem Season 9 through 13 or 14 have is that they have such a high benchmark for comparison. It is like the ninth season of Seinfeld which is still brilliant but just not as good as the previous six seasons.

You can see the seeds of it beginning in season 5, by the end of season 6 it wasn't worth bothering with.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 07, 2019, 06:03:38 PM
damn you  dropped a load of amazing episodes like cold potatoes there huh

It has a lot of average and a fair few above average episodes but the two standouts are One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish and Old Money. That isn't to denigrate the rest of the season. Season 2 and 3 just don't have the consistency to present an above average episode week on week but they are more than capable of delivering classics. You can really see throughout Season 2 how it is developing and understanding the characters better.

If I come across as down on Season 2 and 3, it is only because I hold Season 4-8 in such high esteem. When I say it is an average episode, I mean in comparison to all other The Simpsons episodes (that I have seen, which is roundabout 17 seasons) rather than all other TV.
Top - 4-9
Average - 2, 3 and 10
Bottom - 1, 11-17
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Post by: St_Eddie on May 07, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
You can see the seeds of it beginning in season 5, by the end of season 6 it wasn't worth bothering with.

Uhhh... eehhh... ummm... errrr.  Hmm.
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 07, 2019, 07:54:21 PM
I'd say the seeds of the decline were evident in series 8. The Hank Scorpio episode is like a prototype for the later series - with Homer getting a wacky new job and an ending that is never referenced again - but it's actually good.

Long before I knew which episode belonged to which series, or who was showrunner,  I saw one from series nine and thought it was noticeably off.

As for that Jackson episode, it's a load of mawkish tripe, so I couldn't care lessif it's made slightly more difficult to watch.
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Post by: Jumblegraws on May 07, 2019, 08:19:02 PM
I never knew that Andy Dick/Phil Hartman thing. God what a tragic waste of talent. The Simpsons really missed him.
Never knew about this either. One of the Christmas songs South Park did in 1999 is called Christmas Time in Hell and has Satan singing about bringing in the Yuletide with various famous dead people. Towards the end there’s the lines “Gather close together and make it quick, we gotta make room for Andy Dick” - always assumed it was just a jab at an annoying celebrity with a risky lifestyle, but I’m now realising it must have been more pointed than that.
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Post by: QDRPHNC on May 07, 2019, 09:30:09 PM
Uhhh... eehhh... ummm... errrr.  Hmm.

You're allowed to disagree, but I stand by my opinion.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 07, 2019, 09:31:28 PM
I'd say the seeds of the decline were evident in series 8. The Hank Scorpio episode is like a prototype for the later series - with Homer getting a wacky new job and an ending that is never referenced again - but it's actually good.


You Only Move Twice and Homer's Enemy definitely feels like signs of things to come. Hurling Homer into a James Bond plot or turning Jerkass Homer up to the max are things you would expect from the following two seasons more so. I wonder if they looked at the most popular episodes from the season and thought that it would be best to go down that route.

I guess you can't blame them. It seems like with Season 1-3 they really understood what the audience loved and didn't love so much and were able to tweak the show to perfection. By Season 8 they then felt they needed to tweak again to fit the audience but didn't quite get it right and it all snowballed from there.
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Post by: St_Eddie on May 07, 2019, 10:01:42 PM
You're allowed to disagree, but I stand by my opinion.

Of course.  I'm just mucking about.  Don't mind me.  I wasn't seriously trying to suggest that you're wrong for having your own opinion.

You Only Move Twice and Homer's Enemy definitely feels like signs of things to come. Hurling Homer into a James Bond plot or turning Jerkass Homer up to the max are things you would expect from the following two seasons more so. I wonder if they looked at the most popular episodes from the season and thought that it would be best to go down that route.

I think that it's much more likely a case that the writers found it increasingly difficult to think of new relatable and relatively grounded stories for the characters and so they resorted to branching out into evermore absurd plots out of sheer necessity to keep the show somewhat fresh, without retreading the same old ground over and over again.  Of course, the preferable option would have been to just stop making new episodes but $$$.
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Post by: Shit Good Nose on May 07, 2019, 10:02:19 PM
I stopped watching at the end of whichever season had the episode with the monkey knife fight on a pirate ship or something.  That must be about 20-odd years ago now cos I remember watching that episode with a mate when he was still living with his parents.  Which must mean that there are now more seasons than when I stopped watching it.  If that makes sense. 

Fuuuuuuck me. 

Well, I sure as shit ain't gonna catch up now.


I thought season 1 was abysmal - not much better than the old shorts from the (gulp) Tracey Ullman show.  Slow...SO slow.  And ugly to look at.  But season 2 was a marked improvement all around and it just got better and better.


As for the OP, it's fucking George Lucas assing around with Star Wars and not letting anyone see the original versions again.  Albeit with extra nonce.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 07, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
I stopped watching at the end of whichever season had the episode with the monkey knife fight on a pirate ship or something.  That must be about 20-odd years ago now cos I remember watching that episode with a mate when he was still living with his parents.  Which must mean that there are now more seasons than when I stopped watching it.  If that makes sense. 
The Mansion Family. That is in the middle of Season 11. There have been 19 seasons since for you to catch up on!

Actually the last episode of Season 11 has been cited by a few people involved in the show as a good ending point if there was going to be one then. The Behind the Laughter episode wasn't superb but it was entertaining enough and acts as a nice line under the shows run as well as poking fun at its own decline.
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Post by: St_Eddie on May 07, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
Actually the last episode of Season 11 has been cited by a few people involved in the show as a good ending point if there was going to be one then. The Behind the Laughter episode wasn't superb but it was entertaining enough and acts as a nice line under the shows run as well as poking fun at its own decline.

Indeed.  I've always felt that would have been the perfect episode to end the show on.
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 07, 2019, 11:29:05 PM
As for the OP, it's fucking George Lucas assing around with Star Wars and not letting anyone see the original versions again.  Albeit with extra nonce.
I thought about that, but disregarded it on the basis that the episode was rubbish anyway. Also the noncery.
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Post by: idunnosomename on May 07, 2019, 11:30:42 PM
And indeed that's where the BBC left it.

Kind of perfect in retrospect, but not that they would've done it from any qualitative standpoint. Series 8 ain't that great, 11 and onwards is shit.

Oh that mean like 66% of all The Simpsons is shit now. Great
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Post by: alan nagsworth on May 08, 2019, 07:48:03 AM
“Stark Raving Dad” isn’t a rubbish episode :(
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Post by: PowerButchi on May 08, 2019, 08:31:41 AM
It is. One of the weakest of the first few seasons. Probably the weakest.
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Post by: madhair60 on May 08, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
It is. One of the weakest of the first few seasons. Probably the weakest.

And yet still laugh after laugh after laugh!
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Post by: PowerButchi on May 08, 2019, 09:01:48 AM
"Lisa your teeth are big and green" gets a laugh from me. Not much else though.
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Post by: madhair60 on May 08, 2019, 09:03:19 AM
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Hi, kids! You've reached the Krusty Hotline! If you haven't asked your parent's permission, naughty naughty! But Krusty forgives you. $2 for the first minute, 50 cents for each additional minute. (Just fucking laughs for minutes)

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Mr Burns:  Doctor, what should we do about our freewheeling fop over here?
Dr Marvin Monroe: Well, Monty, it used to be that establishing a patient's sanity took months. That's all changed, thanks to the Marvin Monroe take-home personality test.  Twenty simple questions that will determine exactly how crazy or (air quotes) "meshugginah" someone is.
Homer:  (Reading) Print name? (Nervous) Ohhhh...

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Dog on fire! Dog on fire!

I'm looking through the script and there's loads more. It's gold
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Post by: madhair60 on May 08, 2019, 09:07:45 AM
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Man:Homer, this is Floyd.  He's an idiot savant.  Give him any two numbers, and he can multiply them in his head, just like that.
Homer: Okay.  Five times nine.
Floyd: Forty-five.
Homer: Wow!

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  Man:   Your father really needs your help.  You don't want him to get a
          lobotomy, do you?
   Bart:  Hm...  lobotomy...
          [begin dream]
          [Bart is playing in the house and breaks a lamp]
   Homer: [stitches on forehead still visible, wearing his pink shirt]
          [zombie-like]  That's all right, son...
          [end dream]
   Bart:  Well, there's probably a down side I don't see.

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  Dave:  So I was working in an insurance company, right?  Youngest VP
          in the history of the firm, okay?  The job was my life.
          Then one Monday morning, I got up.  I got up, I couldn't leave
          the house.  I just couldn't.
   Homer: Was the door locked?
   Dave:  No, I just couldn't face what was out there.
   Homer: Was it raining?
   Nurse: No, Homer, Dave suffers from agoraphobia, a fear of open areas and
          crowds.  Please, Dave, go on.
   Dave:  Thank you.  Anyway, that day I just knew I just couldn't make that
          long drive to work.
   Homer: Were you out of gas?
   Nurse: [glares at Homer]
   Homer: Pffft.  Baby...

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Doctor: Mrs. Simpson, I'm sorry, but your husband suffers from a persecution
           complex, extreme paranoia, and bladder hostility.
   Marge:  Doctor, if you just talk to him for five minutes without mentioning
           our son Bart, you'd see how sane he is.
   Doctor: You mean there really is a Bart?!  Good Lord!
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Post by: neveragain on May 08, 2019, 09:29:19 PM
I love that he gets institutionalised for wearing a pink shirt.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 08, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
I love that he gets institutionalised for wearing a pink shirt.

Such a wonderfully absurd idea that only The Simpsons can do.
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 09, 2019, 12:09:22 AM
I thought about that, but disregarded it on the basis that the episode was rubbish anyway. Also the noncery.
More to the point, the episode in question has been widely available on DVD and bluray for years, unlike the proper versions of Star Wars.
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Post by: gib on May 09, 2019, 12:23:17 AM


These are all so great, i could read a thread of these.
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Post by: St_Eddie on May 09, 2019, 01:33:25 AM
Technically speaking, I don't think that it's possible to read a thread comprised entirely of empty quotes.
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Post by: DrGreggles on May 09, 2019, 07:54:37 AM
Technically speaking, I don't think that it's possible to read a thread comprised entirely of empty quotes.

They're not empty. They're examples of the best Simpsons lines of the last 20 years.

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Precisely.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 12, 2019, 01:19:04 AM
Homer got raped again in an episode I watched today. Marge this time instead of a panda.

I wonder how many times Homer has been raped in the next 16 seasons.
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Post by: madhair60 on May 12, 2019, 01:26:18 AM
Homer got raped again in an episode I watched today. Marge this time instead of a panda.

I wonder how many times Homer has been raped in the next 16 seasons.

Since season 20, it's a running gag that Homer gets raped by a different character once per episode.
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Post by: Nowhere Man on May 12, 2019, 02:54:01 AM
Just came in to say I will not have any of this Season 2 and 3 bashing, they're (mostly) bloody brilliant. I'm gonna watch some of them now actually.
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Post by: hillbillyholiday on May 12, 2019, 03:15:49 AM
I've never understood how people casually dismiss Season 1. 

For starters, Homer is at his most believable, far grumpier and far funnier.

The best episodes are packed full of classic moments. Razor sharp and genuinely heartwarming; for me, they rank among the high points of twentieth century culture.


Though I do agree with whoever said Lisa's Substitute was the best episode ever.
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Post by: St_Eddie on May 12, 2019, 04:32:54 AM
I've never understood how people casually dismiss Season 1. 

For starters, Homer is at his most believable, far grumpier and far funnier.

The best episodes are packed full of classic moments. Razor sharp and genuinely heartwarming; for me, they rank among the high points of twentieth century culture.

Thank you for saying this.  I was too afraid to, for fear of ridicule but now that you have, I fully agree.
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Post by: bgmnts on May 12, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
1 is weird, he has that odd voice, Castellaneta still hadn't nailed it down.

Honestly its ALL good until you get to around season 11/12. And if Simpsons ended with Behind the Laughter it would have the legacy of all legacies. Now, though...
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Post by: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on May 12, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
Thank you for saying this.  I was too afraid to, for fear of ridicule but now that you have, I fully agree.
https://youtu.be/ctr9ZfeyvXg
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Post by: JamesTC on May 12, 2019, 06:40:54 PM
Really struggling now. Season 15 had one good episode and a couple of okay episodes. Everything else just way below par.

Me Blog Write Good seems to agree. The view on the one good episode of the season is as follows:
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this one’s definitely a gem buried amidst a pile of shit.

Homer's mum should never have come back. The ending in her first appearance was perfect. But I guess that boat has sailed. I hear they've now killed her off.
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Post by: St_Eddie on May 13, 2019, 04:17:48 AM
https://youtu.be/ctr9ZfeyvXg

(https://i.imgur.com/LzPqylu.gif)
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Post by: madhair60 on May 13, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
Seasons 1, 2 and 3 are all wonderful.
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Post by: Chriddof on May 13, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
I think that the first couple of seasons of The Simpsons are great, but they're great in a very different way to what came soon afterwards. There's something more grounded and warm and... folksy?... to those first two, which over time got reduced. At first this was all for the better, but then the balance of things started to drift too far to the opposite side, the "Flanderization" inevitably happened and by about Season 12 any kind of warmth is completely gone in favour of Homer getting raped by a panda and evil elf jockeys singing a terrible musical number.

The only things I don't like about the early episodes would be the genuinely shocking sound quality of the music (tinny and echoey in exactly the same manner as those horrid Gene Deitch Tom & Jerry cartoons - was there a really tinny and echoey recording studio somewhere in Hollywood from 1960 - 1991 that was really cheap?) and the fact that the voice acting is a lot more subdued. Dan Castellaneta's not-quite-Homer voice has already been mentioned, but it's clear that the other actors are still getting a handle on their performances too, even if they have already more or less worked out their own voices.
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Post by: alan nagsworth on May 13, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
^ totally agree about the voices. Chief Wiggum particularly always sticks out in retrospect, Mr Burns too. Burns is my favourite Simps character but I doubt I’d hold that opinion if his voice had stayed the same as when it started out.
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Post by: TheMonk on May 13, 2019, 11:51:10 AM
Really struggling now. Season 15 had one good episode and a couple of okay episodes. Everything else just way below par.
Is there a general consensus on the episodes after Season 10 that are worth watching? Surely there’s a season or twos worth of good stuff among the river of ordinariness?
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Post by: Utter Shit on May 13, 2019, 12:52:02 PM
Is there a general consensus on the episodes after Season 10 that are worth watching? Surely there’s a season or twos worth of good stuff among the river of ordinariness?

This is far, far, far from an exhaustive list, but a handful that I think are worth seeing from the seasons immediately after season 10...

1102 - Brother's Little Helper
1122 - Behind The Laughter
1209 - HOMR
1218 - Trilogy Of Error
1316 - Weekend At Burnsie's
1402 - How I Spent My Strummer Vacation
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Post by: bgmnts on May 13, 2019, 02:18:23 PM
There is one good episode that is a day in the life of Homer, Lisa, Marge and Bart I think. Lisa builds a robot that corrects grammar and it gets blown up at a key point in everyone's day, landing in Homer's arms.

It's a good gag:

Homer: Linguo, dead...
Linguo: Linguo is dead.

Then dies.
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Post by: madhair60 on May 13, 2019, 02:39:55 PM
There is one good episode that is a day in the life of Homer, Lisa, Marge and Bart I think. Lisa builds a robot that corrects grammar and it gets blown up at a key point in everyone's day, landing in Homer's arms.

It's a good gag:

Homer: Linguo, dead...
Linguo: Linguo is dead.

Then dies.

That's Trilogy of Error, mentioned above. I think that also has "Inflammable means flammable!? What a country"
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Post by: Ornlu on May 13, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
1402 - How I Spent My Strummer Vacation

This one's worth it just for when Mick Jagger goes "Simp-SOOOON!"
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Post by: JamesTC on May 13, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
Is there a general consensus on the episodes after Season 10 that are worth watching? Surely there’s a season or twos worth of good stuff among the river of ordinariness?

When I'm done I'm going to get all the good episodes from Season 11-18 and make a best of season. The sad thing is that if you take the 22 best episodes from those 8 seasons and you get a season on par with 10. How it went downhill that fast is crazy.
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Post by: JamesTC on May 14, 2019, 07:49:19 PM
The second disc of Season 18 crapped out in the last five minutes of an episode. It was about Bart befriending Nelson as he was the only one at his birthday party. It means I miss the "heartwarming" moment with Nelson being sad about Bart not wanting to be his friend instead of beating him up because that is how these things always end now (I can't be bothered looking it up and I definitely can't be bothered downloading the episode).


These DVDs aren't very good quality if I'm honest. Season 4 has stopped working outside of one disc. For all seasons every other disc seems to have a huge pause when it switches layer (I assume layer switching is the issue).
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Post by: Nowhere Man on May 14, 2019, 08:01:01 PM
1402 - How I Spent My Strummer Vacation

Can't believe they called it that and it didn't have a Joe Strummer cameo.

I mean to be fair Joe died about a month after that episode aired..