Disappear up your own arses and die, you pretentious cunts (rant)

[MarmiteCarpenter]

I bought the Guardian today in the vain hope of finding a job I can apply for. I opened page two of G2 to see a picture of a man and woman, sat on a sofa, naked from the waist down. I took one look at their haircuts, and knew that I was about to experience some kind of 'concept'.

Basically, the band Franz Ferdinand where asked to edit G2, and used the said image to adorn page three because, quote, "The idea of an image on page three of G2 which would challenge reader's concepts of obscenity appealed to us". Add this to the fact that they produce artwork, but they are "limited to a palate of three colors, to reflect the parameters they set on their own music". Those words ignited a fury inside me. I flew into a rage, tearing up the G2, throwing it in the toilet, shitting on it, and flushing it away. I photographed the event, in an attempt to challenge my own concept of obscenity.

Who are Franz Ferdinand? Was this all some kind of joke? Are they any good? Did they seriously think a cock and a minge barely visible between coyly closed legs would actually offend anyone? Apologies for the rant if they are actually dead popular and good, I'm a bit out of the loop when it comes to cardigan rock :(

[european son]

Who are Franz Ferdinand? Was this all some kind of joke? Are they any good? Apologies for the rant if they are actually dead popular and good, I'm a bit out of the loop when it comes to cardigan rock :(

the Franz are the best new british band around at the moment.

Take Me Out was released about a fortnight into January, but i reckon it'll be single of the year.

[imitationleather]

Oi knob, never heard of Stereo Excursions or this thread?

[hoverdonkey]

a minge barely visible between coyly closed legs

I think I've found the source of Marmite's frustration.

[MarmiteCarpenter]

Oi knob, never heard of Stereo Excursions or this thread?

Sorry, I did have a quick look but didnt spot that one, and started the thread here because I wanted to talk about art in general. Sorry for ruining your day.

I dont listen to the radio, I don't watch tv (much) and very few of my friends are into that kind of music, so I hadn't heard of them until now. You have to admit if that was your first exposure, you'd be a bit sceptical. It's hard to tell nowadays when artists are joking and when they are serious. So where they?

[fanny splendid]

...and started the thread here because I wanted to talk about art in general.

Go on then. Wind me up...

;¬)

[MarmiteCarpenter]

...and started the thread here because I wanted to talk about art in general.

Go on then. Wind me up...

;¬)

I've already whinged (and apparently made a bit of a knob out of myself). Its your turn now! (the whinging bit anyway)

[sproggy]

...throwing it in the toilet, shitting on it, and flushing it away. I photographed the event, in an attempt to challenge my own concept of obscenity.

You could redeem yourself by posting a link to the photo's

[butnut]

Not work safe:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/guesteditors/graphic/0,14481,1194866,00.html

I was thinking about posting about this earlier. Here's the photographer on this photo:

When I was asked to provide a page-three image for G2, I obviously wanted to do something that challenged the standard formula. Conventional page-three pictures aren't subversive. They're not even inclusive: they serve only half the population. My page three would be as modern as possible.

I'm not going to say any more.

[Peking O]

Who are Franz Ferdinand?

They're the new student band.

Paul Calf : "Have you got any Suede?"
DJ: "Yeah!"
Paul Calf: Takes Suede record and smashes it into a million pieces

That's who Franz Ferdinand are, essentially.

[Darrell]

I'm currently challenging my own concepts of eating Heinz Big Soup out of the tin.

Now THAT's art.

[european son]

Who are Franz Ferdinand?

They're the new student band.

Paul Calf : "Have you got any Suede?"
DJ: "Yeah!"
Paul Calf: Takes Suede record and smashes it into a million pieces

That's who Franz Ferdinand are, essentially.

eh?

Franz Ferdinand sound fuck-all like Suede.

[Rats]

They're the latest buy the badge magazine band that it's allright for the kids to like, however if you're a middle aged travel agent, cul de sac-ed too soon clawing for lost youth, it's best to keep your head down and drink your vodka and black at the back rather than pretending you're one step ahead and making a bit of a fool of yourself.
Haha, I've never even heard them, they sound like a bunch of cunts though.

[Bogey]

It's ok, because they're quite ugly.
My world's certainly been turned upside down.

Franz Ferdinand are good, but they have such a terribly pretentious name. Oh well, at least they're not called the Dandy Warhols.

[Peking O]

eh?

Franz Ferdinand sound fuck-all like Suede.

Are you a student? I expect so, because you've spectacularly misunderstood me there.

[Hans]

Not work safe:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/guesteditors/graphic/0,14481,1194866,00.html

I was thinking about posting about this earlier. Here's the photographer on this photo:

When I was asked to provide a page-three image for G2, I obviously wanted to do something that challenged the standard formula. Conventional page-three pictures aren't subversive. They're not even inclusive: they serve only half the population. My page three would be as modern as possible.

I'm not going to say any more.

But if you read the rest of what Tillmans says then it begins to make sense.  Almost as if he's explaining himself.

[Rats]

Leave it Paul, he's not worth it!

[european son]

eh?

Franz Ferdinand sound fuck-all like Suede.

Are you a student? I expect so, because you've spectacularly misunderstood me there.

eh?

what do your ad hominem attacks have to do with this one?

[Peking O]

ad hominem

Bloody students.

[european son]

ad hominem

Bloody students.

i reckon you should read some stuff by Riesman about the modern man's obsession with being "other directed" and craving plaudits from others to get to the root of your anti-student comments.

it's all based in the part of the soul Plato called called Thymos, and i understand, but you should relax and be just a touch more "self directed", you'll be happier i reckon.



is this where i put i fucking smiley?

[glitch]

I have a mate who works in Fopp in Tottenham Court Road. Franz Ferdinand played there as some kind of promo thing either at the end of last year of beginning of this. He said they were quite good, and strongly touted by NME.

Which is a good enough reason to dislike them I suppose.

[Ghost of Troubled Joe]

I like the Guardian, and I like Franz Ferdinand, and yes I am a student. So there.

[Silver SurferGhost]

I've heard of Franz Ferdinand, and I am not a student.



There's no more, carry on.
.

[hoverdonkey]

Fuck me there's nothing wrong with liking FF. They make good music. My only problem with the album is that it is so immediate that I will tire of it and won't stand to hear it in 6 months. Growers seem to have more lasting appeal. But that's for SE.

My point is that as soon as any band gains a semblance of popularity round here then it's 'oh do fuck off' I'm listening to my prog-dance-ambient-German-retro-ska compilation.

Now who's the pretentious one?

[king mob]

Not me, i like FF but they did excuse a big pile of halfwit fuckery as art because students paid too much by mummy and daddy pay for their subscription for the Guardian so they can hope their halfbreed offspring can fuck a job in marketing up the wall when they graduate.

It was a piss take of when Happy Mondays did some sleazy porn mag years ago anyhow.

[MarmiteCarpenter]

Fuck me there's nothing wrong with liking FF. They make good music. My only problem with the album is that it is so immediate that I will tire of it and won't stand to hear it in 6 months. Growers seem to have more lasting appeal. But that's for SE.

My point is that as soon as any band gains a semblance of popularity round here then it's 'oh do fuck off' I'm listening to my prog-dance-ambient-German-retro-ska compilation.

Now who's the pretentious one?

Fairy nuff. I still don't know what FF sound like, I had a quick look for some audio on iTMS but they didn't have any. I doubt I'd like it though, because I don't really like rock and its musical brethren. Thats not me trying to be different, its just not my thing.

You're absolutely right though, popularity can be a turn off, but what's wrong with that? What's likely to affect you more, something liked by many, or loved by a few?

Some guy on a music message board I post on put up a preview of an album hes going to release. I was alternating between scraping my fucking eyeballs out and laughing hysterically - the funk this man had was excrutiating, his phrasing was unnaturrally fluid and effortless, and his technical skills were straight inhuman. It affected me strongly ;) I like loads of popular music, but it never hits hard like that. Thats why I listen to obscure stuff. The crap stuff is really crap, and theres probably more of it, but the good stuff is really good.

king mob, I stand corrected.

[european son]

well it did reach number three in the charts (albeit in a slow week), but i've not seen chart run-down since 1998 or so, so i can maybe understand folk missing it.


Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out

edit: it strats off sounding like a bad strokesy knock-off, but gets good (really good) at one minute and six seconds.

the album is great fun and all.

[Cerys]

Going swiftly off into the subject that I think (hope) MarmiteCarpenter was ranting about ... art.

For example, artists who try to sell their work to the critics by claiming that 'it challenges our conceptions of this',  or 'it forces the viewer to confront that', or 'it portrays the conflict of the other' - when it's pretty damn obvious that they've thought up that little schtick after producing the piece in question.  If your work doesn't appeal in its own right, deal with it - don't try to justify it with afterthoughts.

[Space ghost]

is this where i put i fucking smiley?

I did'nt realise there was a Rastafarian on the the boards.How interesting.

[Schlippy]

It was a piss take of when Happy Mondays did some sleazy porn mag years ago anyhow.

I remember that, some Loaded/Jockey Slut type affair, wasn't it?

Hung like a mule, that Ryder.